[HN Gopher] A Request to Terminate ENOG
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A Request to Terminate ENOG
Author : greyface-
Score : 116 points
Date : 2022-03-06 09:13 UTC (13 hours ago)
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| Proven wrote:
| jabwl wrote:
| dark-star wrote:
| This could be interpreted as someone wanting to shut down ENOG
| without a vote, while a majority of board members are busy
| surviving and have more important things to worry about than
| voting on a Working Group.
|
| I don't think it is a good idea to use the war as excuse to skip
| a democratic voting process within the ENOG board. If ENOG has
| been "dead" since 2014 (as was claimed in the thread), there's no
| reason the termination could not wait another couple months.
| tehjoker wrote:
| That was my thought reading this as well. Abandoning democratic
| process for such a substantial move is too hasty.
|
| Additionally, his statement may be true if the Russian
| government would have reason to mess with the group, but the
| way he put it is likely to exacerbate xenophobia against
| Russian citizens. Imagine if Americans had to step down because
| of the Iraq war. It would be best to step down without saying
| that if that's how he feels (or be more explicit in an anti-war
| stance).
| kmeisthax wrote:
| If there was a network operators group that encompassed both
| America and Iraq pre-war it would make sense that you
| couldn't represent both sides.
|
| Furthermore, he can't necessarily be explicit in an anti-war
| stance, because it is illegal for Russians to acknowledge
| that the war even exists. Russia went hard on censorship
| relating to their invasion of Ukraine.
|
| And there's no particular reason why Russia _wouldn 't_ want
| control over NOGs - the Internet is a war-fighting domain,
| and denying it to your enemy is a meaningful victory.
| dottedmag wrote:
| NOG is a community: people who discuss things and organize
| events once in a while. "Control" over NOG is not very
| meaningful, anyone is free to leave.
| fennecfoxen wrote:
| The opportunity is still open in theory, if enough of the
| remaining members survive, and the vote is arranged. It won't
| really have anything to do with the director or vice director
| of the group at that point, though.
| nathanyz wrote:
| I feel like this is a masterpiece of emotional IQ.
|
| Knowing when you may be in a position where you cannot properly
| represent the intentions of a role and resigning with this kind
| of grace and thoughtful words is something any leader anywhere
| should read for inspiration.
| smoyer wrote:
| Agreed! ... At the same time, it's sad to see someone who's
| obviously passionate about their field recognize that their
| reputation has been degraded/eliminated strictly due to
| affiliation (in this case, citizenship).
| throwoutway wrote:
| > recognize that their reputation has been
| degraded/eliminated strictly due to affiliation (in this
| case, citizenship).
|
| Involuntary Citizenship should not eliminate one's
| reputation. That's absurd. If that was the case, everyone's
| reputation should be devoid. No government is perfect,
| especially not an authoritarian government. And we all have
| ancestors who have done terrible things
| bombcar wrote:
| This is also an effective "fu" to the leadership of the country
| - basically "I was asked to work for peace whilst war was being
| prepared and am betrayed".
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