[HN Gopher] Huawei MatePad Paper - eInk Tablet
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Huawei MatePad Paper - eInk Tablet
Author : gadders
Score : 250 points
Date : 2022-03-01 10:49 UTC (12 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (consumer.huawei.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (consumer.huawei.com)
| bitL wrote:
| 10.3" is too small for a paper replacement - writing notes on
| such devices is too imprecise if one e.g. annotates PDFs etc. I
| got the latest Onyx A4 and that's the size that can be finally
| used to replace paper for all types of documents.
| pantulis wrote:
| Is it the Boox Max Lumi 2? I'm considering getting one, any
| observations?
| coliveira wrote:
| Finally a company cracks this market. This is a beautiful device,
| I'll get one as soon as it is available.
| pastaking wrote:
| Good for Huawei. Finally, an affordable alternative to
| Remarkable.
| GaylordTuring wrote:
| Would it be too much to ask for Hacker News to not promote
| products made in and benefiting evil regimes such as China and
| Russia? You wouldn't allow The Nazipad 2000 to be showen here;
| what's the difference?
| advisedwang wrote:
| A huge fraction of consumer electronics are made in China, so
| they shouldn't be listed here? iPhone is out of scope for HN?
|
| Not to mention questions about who gets to decide...
| jklein11 wrote:
| Wouldn't it be better for the community to moderate this sort
| of thing? You can always downvote post. Or even better, you
| could engage in discourse on how this product is benefiting
| evil regimes. I'm not sure promoting censorship is the answer
| here.
| parski wrote:
| Chindle
| talkingtab wrote:
| CyanBird wrote:
| So this should be the bar for all inqtel funded startups now?
| fluidcruft wrote:
| The screenshot of Home where they're showcasing widgets otherwise
| looks almost exactly like Boox. Other interactions also look like
| the Boox software. Not to mention the device looks like an update
| Boox Air. Are Boox and Huawei related?
| TekMol wrote:
| Will it have a browser?
|
| It would be great for reading HN, coding, writing if I could use
| it with a browser.
|
| I do all these in the browser and I only need black and white and
| no fancy tools. So even if the browser is much slower than on a
| desktop, it would still be great.
| martin_a wrote:
| People usually recommend the "Boox" devices for that.
|
| As they are running on Android you can therefore, after
| activating it, access the Play Store to get a browser
| running...
|
| Maybe that's the way to go.
| tluyben2 wrote:
| Second the Boox; unfortunately there are gpl violations which
| is a shame, but I got an A4 sized one before I knew that and
| I use Pocket to read online stuff offline and use the built
| in reader to read books and work on papers (the dual
| note/read view is lovely).
| martin_a wrote:
| Don't you find the A4 ones to large? I've been looking into
| these devices to replace my handwritten notebook but also
| for reading and so on. I think 10.3 inch might be better
| suited, what's your take on that?
| schwartzworld wrote:
| You can download einkbro which has optimizations for eink
| screens.
| goosedragons wrote:
| You don't even need to activate the Play Store. They include
| a browser out of the box.
| phantom_oracle wrote:
| I wanted to build my own e-ink tablet as I prefer OSS. The issue
| that makes e-ink tablets not worth building?
|
| The expensive displays that cost between $150-$300 for 7-8 inch
| screens, excluding shipping.
| jll29 wrote:
| I would like to have an e-Ink notebook for professional
| reading/writing/editing (no video/games).
|
| ARM, 8 GB RAM, 64 GB persistent storage (SSD or SD card. 10" or
| 11" e-ink screen, good-quality physical keyboard, light,
| rugged, portable). Should be OSS powered, of course (Linux
| preferred).
| calrain wrote:
| karmanyaahm wrote:
| Looking at their 'PC Link' feature, it seems like it can be
| used without a network as just a mass storage device. If it's
| airgapped it might be fine. I don't know more in detail though.
| filomeno wrote:
| So how do you connect to the internet? Have you managed to
| build and assemble your phone/laptop/computer yourself, using
| custom chips also designed by you, in order to the stay away
| from the spyware, or do you care only about Huawei's spyware?
| Shadonototra wrote:
| microsoft windows and apple are also spyware, what is your
| point?
| pinephoneguy wrote:
| Stay away from them too.
| bsd44 wrote:
| I would if Pinephone was able to make phone calls or Librem
| 5 ever shipped...
| GrigoriyMikh wrote:
| As a person who is totally unaware of anything going with
| Pinephone and other Linux phones, i'm asking -- are they
| really unable to make phone calls? Or only in some
| specific cases?
| lvass wrote:
| You can't make phone calls in case you only want open
| source software. GSM Baseband software is notoriously
| closed and that's practically enforced by law.
| sdevonoes wrote:
| Please, it's 2022: anything that is not open source is
| suspicious of being spyware. We don't even trust our own
| governments, how on earth are we going to trust any private
| company (Huawei, Google, Apple, etc.)?
| throwoutway wrote:
| Ok, but Huawei outranks them all and the entire telecom world
| knows why. If you have to choose a lesser evil, choose
| someone else
| pksebben wrote:
| See, now I'm curious. I don't work in telecom. Why does
| Huawei outrank them all?
| murat124 wrote:
| Looks great but I have trust issues. I would consider if it
| didn't have microphone (it has 4) and if it supported working
| offline.
| Demcox wrote:
| > it has 4
|
| A freaking eInk tablet with microphones what the hell lol
|
| edit formatting...
| StopDarkPattern wrote:
| tldr; china
| npteljes wrote:
| They have a function for it. From TFA: "Capture detail in
| every meeting with audio recording and notes. Make a mark on
| your recording while taking notes, then tap on the mark to
| play the exact audio clip. Review your content more clearly
| and efficiently."
| SamBam wrote:
| This is pretty clever. If I recall, the LiveScribe Smart
| Pen had/has this feature. You just draw some symbol and tap
| it, and it inserts a voice recording at that spot.
| Surprised this isn't standard on these products now.
| rjzzleep wrote:
| I have a hisense eink pocket reader(5.84") and it has an
| eink refresh button. It's hisense's degoogled
| android(only support chinese and english and some menus
| have weird grammar).
|
| But what's interesting is that if you hold the extra
| button it launches into a notes app which has dictation
| and unlike googles own dictation it does a pretty good
| job at capturing both chinese and english without needing
| to switch.
|
| I didn't try it for longer than a couple of sentences,
| but in general it's an interesting idea. It does have a
| lot of very nice eink optimizations that other devices
| don't have.
|
| Contrary to huawei however this device has a snapdragon
| and allows unlocking the bootloader. There is however no
| dev community around this device and I don't feel like
| fixing the headphone amp.
|
| https://goodereader.com/blog/reviews/hisense-touch-music-
| pla...
| rchaud wrote:
| Does this actually fit in your pocket? Front or back?
|
| I have a Kobo Mini with a 5" screen that's perfectly
| pocketable, but it's on its last legs, and the 2012-era
| e-ink lag is noticeable.
|
| I have looked at modern options but they're all 6"
| minimum with a lot of bezel, which means they won't fit.
| goosedragons wrote:
| There's a few more obscure Chinese options. Xiaomi has
| the 5.2" Inkpalm 5 mini. Runs Android but you need to
| convert it to English yourself. Aliexpress also has
| random 4.3" eInk devices.
| cma wrote:
| One Note had something similar in the early 2000s, I'm
| not sure if they still expose it.
| thomasfl wrote:
| Truly ReMarkable. (Pun intended.)
| jll29 wrote:
| Waiting for the next move, an e-ink sub-notebook.
| sentrysapper wrote:
| Under specs it lists 2 speakers and 4 microphones.
| yesbut wrote:
| As an American, I'd rather have a foreign actor spying on me than
| my own government. The foreign actor has no jurisdiction over me.
| throwoutway wrote:
| Wait until you want to do some tourism
| dang wrote:
| We detached this subthread from
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30513500.
| zikduruqe wrote:
| Foreign actor doesn't have to abide by the Fourth Amendment
| either. They can just show the US whatever they want without a
| warrant.
| yesbut wrote:
| The US would still be required to abide by the Fourth
| Amendment though.
| webmaven wrote:
| _> The US would still be required to abide by the Fourth
| Amendment though._
|
| Only directly. The Five Eyes and other 'partners' routinely
| share intelligence with each other that their counterparts
| would face barriers to collecting.
| yesbut wrote:
| So why am I worried about China again?
| TehCorwiz wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
| boringg wrote:
| You haven't thought this one through my friend.
| qwertass wrote:
| xamolxix wrote:
| > The foreign actor has no jurisdiction over me.
|
| You can be subjected to blackmail and/or other hostile actions
| from a foreign jurisdiction.
| [deleted]
| thih9 wrote:
| Is that more likely than blackmail and/or hostile actions
| from home jurisdiction?
| xamolxix wrote:
| I don't know what the likelihoods of either are but if I
| had to guess I would say that yes, hostile third countries
| are more dangerous than my own country.
|
| Also, I consider that I would have more recourse against an
| actor from my own jurisdiction, I think you have pretty
| much zero recourse against the government of a hostile
| third country.
| yesbut wrote:
| I don't trust even my own government. I'm not *more* worried
| about China messing with me. The NSA has more info on me that
| could potentially be used against me than Huawei. And I've
| never once seen a situation where the NSA digs data out of
| their vault to help exonerate an American on trial.
| coolso wrote:
| What's with all the CCP defenders and shills mass-downvoting and
| flagging every critical comment in this thread? What are you
| trying to hide? Instead of downvoting into oblivion Reddit/China-
| style, why not engage in healthy debate?
|
| The tides have turned, the US is finally standing up to China
| (Biden is following in Trump's footsteps though not as much as he
| should) and it's only going to continue.
| youhavetosayit wrote:
| Remarkable 2 is better, because of the features it doesn't have.
|
| The best feature of Remarkable 2 is how quiet it is, it doesn't
| do anything except for Book reading and note taking.
|
| No notifications, no messaging, no email, quiet tech.
| IncRnd wrote:
| Yep. I always think of spyware with Huawei now. However, I
| watched the clip that is partway down the page, and the song in
| that clip made me stop and listen. It is so relaxing to hear.
| Here is a direct link to the song in the video. [1]
|
| If anyone can tell me the artist's name, I'd be grateful.
|
| [1] https://consumer-img.huawei.com/content/dam/huawei-cbg-
| site/...
|
| Edit: I found it through the lyrics. Olive Musique - Everything
| About You
| fluidcruft wrote:
| Has PDF annotation improved on Remarkable 2?
|
| Otherwise it's trival to disable notifications, messaging,
| email etc (at least on Boox and there are quite good youtube
| tutorials about how to do this), so that's not a particularly
| strong differentiation.
|
| "You can have any color you want as long as it's black" only
| works as a selling point if other cars can't be black.
| jonfw wrote:
| "You can have any color you want as long as it's black" isn't
| the selling point. The selling point is- "This car was
| designed to be black, and looks better in black than other
| cars."
|
| It's like how my screwdriver is significantly better at
| driving screws than my swiss army knife. Purposeful design
| drives a better experience
| fluidcruft wrote:
| In this case it doesn't. PDF is vastly superior on other
| devices.
| wraptile wrote:
| You can turn these all off. Lack of features is not a feature
| imho - no mather how hard people try to sell this.
| vineyardmike wrote:
| No you're wrong. Its absolutely a selling point. When i got
| my remarkable i did what i do with any other tech, start
| searching the menus and features and trying things out. What
| i immediately discovered... theres nothing to do! Until you
| start writing, or you have something to read, the device is
| useless. I got mine for XMas, and a week earlier i bought
| myself an ipad pro to use as a digital notebook. Unboxing it
| and using it day one and i was immediately struct by the
| _quiet_ tech that it is. Its unlike anything else i 've used
| in a long time.
|
| Get an ipad and theres endless apps and accounts and
| notifications and a shiny bright screen begging for you to
| play with it. The ipad really wants to be your computer with
| a stylus attached, and that is great, i take it traveling
| instead of anything else and its really convenient. The
| remarkable is NOT a computer. The remarkable sits at my desk
| and is just ready for me, while the ipad is eternally
| charging, or chiming, or begging for attention and
| distraction. I can't have it at my desk while i work.
|
| The remarkable is literally a _digital notebook_ and has
| about as much utility as a real notebook - a lot for writing
| and reading and almost 0 for anything else. It is honestly
| the first product i 've used that actually replaces paper at
| my desk.
| wenc wrote:
| I have an old iPad Air that I don't link to my main Apple
| ID. It has no apps except for the minimum needed to
| function as an ebook reader and scratchpad.
|
| It's pretty distraction free. I would say if you're willing
| to run your tablet under its potential it's possible to
| have a quiet device.
|
| I ordered a Remarkable 2 but canceled once I realized I had
| an old iPad lying around. It works for me.
| vineyardmike wrote:
| > It works for me.
|
| Thats really what matters.
|
| I will say one big thing for me is the light and flashing
| and stuff. Humans are naturally evolved to be attracted
| to quick moving and bright things. Bright electronic
| screens totally hit that, and for me any sort of screen
| in my periphery completely distracts me. So a device
| without a light makes a big difference.
| goosedragons wrote:
| Ive had LCD tablets and have a few Boox devices. The Boox
| devices are IMO not really a distraction. Web browsing just
| feels off and beyond grabbing something to read off the net
| I never really find myself using it. I don't compulsively
| browse reddit on it. Games and movies obviously are pretty
| much no goes but I get the added flexibility of being able
| to read the newspaper or a library book. You don't even
| need to make an account with the Boox devices. It's there
| if you want but it's MUCH easier to ignore than a
| smartphone or traditional tablet.
| leecarraher wrote:
| In my opinion it's a great deal more complex than: "you can
| just turn off the features". To me "lack-of-a-feature" is not
| in itself a feature of the device or platform, rather a
| feature of the company who makes the device or platform. It
| signals that the manufacturer is fully committed to solving a
| specific use case. Avoiding feature creep is tough though.
| Companies need to make money, and the easiest way to do that
| is to exploit your current customers to upgrade. However,
| because no one upgrades a device without a reason, it may be
| inevitable that companies continue to follow the classic:
| phone -> phablet -> tablet -> basically laptop without a
| keyboard progression.
| m12k wrote:
| Twitter exists because you can't write long posts. Snapchat
| exists because you can't view past messages. Tinder exists
| because you can't just talk to anyone unless they are
| interested in you too. Limitations and missing "features"
| absolutely can be an asset to a platform.
| wraptile wrote:
| You're comparing apples to oranges - those are social
| networks where multiple people have to come to some sort of
| consensus, having rules over that consensus sure, can be a
| feature. I don't need anyone to agree with me to turn off
| notifications.
| m12k wrote:
| Devices with notifications are little skinner boxes for
| our brains. There's perfectly valid reasons for people to
| want a device where notifications are not even an option,
| just like there's valid reasons for alcoholics to not
| want booze in the house. If that's not an issue for you -
| congratulations, those devices are not designed for you.
| But please don't deny others them, just because you don't
| think they should exist - they absolutely should.
| emsy wrote:
| Nobody said the Remarkable shouldn't exist. The question
| was whether the lack of a feature that can be disabled is
| a feature, which it isn't. You know what else doesn't
| send notifications and doesn't even need a battery?
| Paper.
| vineyardmike wrote:
| > You know what else doesn't send notifications and
| doesn't even need a battery? Paper.
|
| Think of this product as very expensive paper that backs
| up writing to the internet. Not a sh*ty tablet that can't
| do a lot of things.
| ABCLAW wrote:
| >The question was whether the lack of a feature that can
| be disabled is a feature, which it isn't.
|
| It is, though, and examples have been provided of VERY
| successful platforms built upon this negative space.
|
| Consider the lack of a feature as a feature itself; it
| lowers the amount of cognitive brainpower required to use
| the system, and that is VERY valuable.
| teucris wrote:
| I'm of two minds on this one. Starting without
| notifications as an option in my devices would help me
| tremendously in my day to day life. But that's just me.
| There are so many different brains out there. How does a
| company make a product that sells to a sufficiently wide
| market to make it worthwhile? The only option I see is...
| options. User-specific customization.
| vineyardmike wrote:
| > Starting without notifications as an option in my
| devices would help me tremendously in my day to day life.
|
| Incredibly good for mental health.
|
| > The only option I see is... options. User-specific
| customization.
|
| You can SSH into a remarkable tablet and do whatever you
| want to it.
|
| > How does a company make a product that sells to a
| sufficiently wide market to make it worthwhile?
|
| It is very expensive. Its only purpose is to be a digital
| notebook.
| dahfizz wrote:
| To a _platform_ , sure. Limiting what other people can do
| can shape how a social platform works.
|
| For a piece of hardware, not so much.
| SantalBlush wrote:
| >You can turn these all off.
|
| In many cases, you can't. Turning off popups and reminders is
| a constant battle with my hardware. Duolingo is about to
| murder me if I don't resume my language practice.
| whoomp12342 wrote:
| for $400????
| linsomniac wrote:
| Does the Remarkable 2 have "templates" for pages?
|
| A couple years ago I went from a largely "paperless" life to
| using a daily planner, largely for my daily work and personal
| TODO lists, and have found the process very valuable.
|
| I toyed around with making a custom template for my daily
| notes/lists, and using the RocketBook ecosystem (maybe with
| just my own printed templates and using their app for
| scanning), but in the end just stuck with pre-printed planner
| books.
|
| I'm just getting ready to order my third planner, and this
| topic comes up and tempts me with a technological solution to a
| largely solved problem, but makes me wonder what benefits it
| might have.
| mNovak wrote:
| Yeah it does, pretty certain you upload custom ones too
| though I've never tried it
| funksta wrote:
| Yes you can, in fact you can ssh/scp into the device since
| it runs Linux and transfer over any .png files to use as
| templates. It's pretty neat and unusual to be able to do
| that on a consumer devices these days.
|
| Check out https://remarkablewiki.com/tips/templates
| funksta wrote:
| Out of curiousity, which planner do you use and which
| feature(s)/layouts are the most useful for you?
|
| I've started building custom pdf planners for these eInk
| devices (I'm an rM2 owner myself) and am always looking for
| insight on how people use them. Have a little website setup
| for this at https://hyperpaper.me
| [deleted]
| m-p-3 wrote:
| To be honest, I'd likely get one if I could read my work
| emails, check my calendar and keep myself up-to-date through my
| RSS feeds natively from it.
| paulcole wrote:
| Remarkable is perhaps not clear enough that this isn't what
| they expect you to do with the Remarkable.
| yumraj wrote:
| > No notifications, no messaging, no email, quiet tech.
|
| Also, no spyware..
| avgcorrection wrote:
| Of all the larger nation states that could spy on me, I would
| probably be the least concerned about Indonesia. But China is
| not far above it.
| ct0 wrote:
| thinking the same thing. how damaging to the brand that once
| I hear Huawei, I think of spyware.
| curiousgal wrote:
| If I had to choose between China and Big Tech spying on me
| (and I technically do) I would pick China any and every
| time honestly.
| president wrote:
| I disagree with you but I don't think the downvotes
| you're getting are justified. If you really do prefer
| Chinese spying, why so?
| xibalba wrote:
| Are you kidding me? One is a nuclear nation state
| currently committing genocide with a long history of
| "disappearing" wrong-thinkers. The other sells ads based
| on your online behavior. Seriously, what motivates your
| claim?
|
| HN has long been infiltrated by CCP-backed commenters,
| and they come out in force for the expected title
| keywords.
| president wrote:
| > HN has long been infiltrated by CCP-backed commenters
|
| I suspect this is true to some degree but I also think
| there is no shortage of Chinese nationalists and anti-
| Americans (including Americans) who by default, upvote
| anything that has a pro-China agenda and downvote
| anything that has anti-China agenda.
| kalium-xyz wrote:
| People do not possess ideas, ideas possess people. There
| is no escaping the memeplexes driving these and our
| posts.
| rodgerd wrote:
| > anti-Americans (including Americans)
|
| Alas, tankies and campies exist.
| caslon wrote:
| I don't live in China. The Chinese are many miles away. I
| am not worth nuking, and I am not at risk of being
| involved in a genocide.
|
| I live in a surveillance state. I don't really like being
| surveilled. Big companies share data between each other,
| and it influences my ability to do things like obtaining
| a house, or getting insurance.
|
| The Chinese have nothing to do with my data. Western
| companies, on the other hand, can make a good deal of
| profit from data in aggregate, and don't care if it harms
| other people.
|
| The Chinese stick to their own people (and what they
| believe to be China). Western companies, on the other
| hand, will track everyone on the globe, without any
| consent at all:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearview_AI
|
| I don't use Chinese software; it's just that the person's
| claim isn't nearly as insane as you're making it out to
| be. They're acting more rationally than you are, here.
| It's not Chinese scaremongering or anti-anti-Chinese
| scaremongering to acknowledge that China can't really do
| much to the average Western citizen in aggregate.
| [deleted]
| xster wrote:
| are there concrete cases you're thinking about?
| 908B64B197 wrote:
| Spyware and cheap knockoffs. Also rampant IP theft [0]. As
| they say, chabuduo! [1]
|
| [0] https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-
| code-c...
|
| [1] https://mothership.sg/2018/05/what-is-chabuduo/
| vineyardmike wrote:
| Also eInk means that the display doesn't have a backlight,
| which means it doesn't catch your eye and steal your attention.
| +1 feature missing that makes it better.
| microtherion wrote:
| Isn't what the Boox Max Lumi & Co have a "Backlight" ?
| https://shop.boox.com/products/maxlumi2
|
| I found that this made a big usability improvement in low
| light situations over previous eInk readers I owned, and that
| in practice there were more low light situations (or at least
| situations where I'd rather not turn on a light just to
| read).
| BadJo0Jo0 wrote:
| Footnote 20-22 indicates it has a backlight. Which is
| honestly something I want just because I want to be able to
| read in a dark or low light room. Something which has kept me
| from buying a remarkable.
| rchaud wrote:
| What 'loud' tech did you see on the linked page? Everything was
| about reading and writing.
| mbar84 wrote:
| I think he means it in a metaphorical sense. Anything that
| grabs attention is "LOUD" in this sense (just as is ALL CAPS
| writing).
| fredoliveira wrote:
| Not gp, but the app store and matebook syncing in particular
| jump out to me as going beyond reading and writing. Not that
| I disagree with their inclusion necessarily (I'm sure they
| put in whatever made sense in their ecosystem), but it won't
| be for everyone.
| asiachick wrote:
| No Kindle app = Not useful to me. Do either of these support
| kindle?
| shagie wrote:
| There is no kindle app directly. You can go through a
| conversion process to convert from .kfx to .epub and then
| read those on (at least) the remarkable.
|
| https://www.isummersoft.com/transfer-kindle-to-remarkable-
| ta...
| zwayhowder wrote:
| Boox devices run Android, so you can install the Kindle app
| from the play store.
| paulcole wrote:
| I was skeptical because of the cost, but it's honestly been a
| hugely valuable investment for my work. I don't even turn wifi
| on and don't care about syncing.
|
| All I want is something I enjoy using to write notes throughout
| the day, sketch out ideas, and organize my day.
|
| Yes, there's a trillion other tools, software, apps, paper
| notebooks, whatever that I could use to do this. The point for
| me is that I _didn 't_ use those things. I _do_ use the
| Remarkable and I love it.
| falcolas wrote:
| > Remarkable 2 is better, because of the features it doesn't
| have.
|
| Like syncing local notes using common cloud services?
|
| Technically, the feature's there, but it's locked behind a $100
| per year "service".
|
| Rant aside, I have an iPad mini where I turned all
| notifications off. Just as good as if it didn't have those
| features when I don't care about them - but if I need them
| they're right there.
| horsawlarway wrote:
| > Like syncing local notes using common cloud services?
|
| Technically this is present on the Remarkable if you're
| willing to fiddle with the device some. They give you root by
| default (and provide an ssh service if the device is
| connected over usb), and the community has implemented quite
| a few syncing options.
|
| That said - I was also very bummed to see them introduce the
| paid service. I'd really like them to succeed by selling good
| & open hardware, not by moving towards a locked down device
| ties to SaaS.
| rvbissell wrote:
| On my android devices, squelching unwanted notifications
| feels like whack-a-mole. I haven't been tracking it
| exactly, but it feels like various updated apps keep
| inventing new categories of notifications to get around my
| previous de-selections.
|
| Clarification: the above are apps for which I still want
| /useful/ notifications, so I can't disable all
| notifications for them out-right.
| karamanolev wrote:
| I have a Remarkable 2. I cannot describe how much I love the
| writing experience on it. I don't think any other standard
| tablet has ever come close to that.
|
| I also feel like you for the paid Connect account, which I
| work around using open source tools that you're free to run
| on it. You can SSH as root easily and run whatever you want.
| I do it frequently for screen sharing.
| chx wrote:
| I always find funny how people gush over the Remarkable
| especially the writing aspect.
|
| I for one find the lack of progress astonishing. Because,
| you know, if you wanted great writing experience you
| could've used a CrossPad ... 25 years ago. You write on a
| notebook -- with a quality pen manufactured by Cross as the
| name suggests -- the CrossPad records it as vector strokes.
| Done. In 25 years the progress we got is there's a screen
| now but that's all. The device still can't do, say, offline
| OCR or indeed anything useful beyond what the CrossPad used
| to do.
| ptman wrote:
| Indeed, Connect feels bad. There's RCU
| http://www.davisr.me/projects/rcu/
| UncleOxidant wrote:
| Is there an Overdrive app for the Remarkable 2? I want to be
| able to checkout and read library books.
| stonogo wrote:
| Overdrive was bought by Rakuten, owners of Kobo. I'd predict
| that you're not going to see Overdrive apps on non-Kobo
| ereaders, unless they have access to Google Play.
| gbraad wrote:
| The OS looks similar to Onyx Boox's. Wouldn't be amazed if it a
| collab.
| ljf wrote:
| Doesn't it seem odd in the pictures and video the model is
| holding the pen/stylus as a rather unnatural angle. No shots
| where the models hand is touching the screen at the same time as
| the pen. I'd have thought that would be a feature they would want
| to promote (and would be shocked if this device does not have
| it), just seems odd.
| Shadonototra wrote:
| Their own OS, their own hardware, their own brands, their own
| factories
|
| Thanks to our dumb politicians, we produced dumb citizens, with a
| dumb education
| achow wrote:
| I wish Amazon had released one in this size. This goes onto to
| show how bad monopoly of Amazon is for e-reader category.
| SilentM68 wrote:
| This could be an alternative to LiveScribe Smart Pen, in a
| classroom setting, which records audio as you write with it and
| then allows for immediate audio playback by tapping the section
| of the written notes that one needs to listen to again.
|
| Only difference between tablet and the pen is that the pen
| requires physical paper notebooks to be purchased once the old
| notebook is used up.
|
| With improved battery life, it'd make a very useful assistive
| technology in a classroom setting.
| turtlebits wrote:
| The hardware is a dime a dozen now, what differentiates all these
| products is the software. I'm pretty skeptical on hardware
| companies making their own software interfaces.
|
| I tried the Boox and while having Android is compelling, the
| writing experience kinda sucks. I prefer the Remarkable for
| having fewer but more polished features.
| 01100011 wrote:
| Doesn't the HW have something to do with the responsiveness?
| Hasn't that been a significant issue with eInk devices in the
| past, or is that resolved now?
|
| In any case, the atrocities being committed in Ukraine have
| finally convinced me it is long past time to divest myself from
| Chinese slaveware. I have nothing but kindness for the people
| of Russia and China but will no longer voluntarily support
| companies in those countries with my business.
| Groxx wrote:
| eink responsiveness itself: it's "slow", but much of it is in
| software. the remarkable demonstrates that pretty well - pen-
| to-display updates in ~20ms, which is more than fast enough.
| for further evidence, dasung's eink monitors are stunningly
| fast _because of good software_ (and surrounding hardware
| that can drive it all) - they use the same panels as others
| AFAICT. (i.e. they 're using the standard high-end e-reader
| panels. there are dramatically slower and more limited panels
| designed for signage, I think we can ignore those - many
| don't even have partial update support in their hardware)
|
| The caveat there is that those fast updates are for _black to
| white_ or _white to black_ - gray to gray is slower, and
| accumulates error if you keep doing it (ghosting). remarkable
| has built their entire UI around this limitation: all UI is
| black /white, no grays. All tools (except the highlighters)
| draw black/white, no grays - all the texture is just
| black/white pixellation patterns. a lot of care has gone into
| working with the hardware's limitations at every level....
| which is something android will never do.
|
| other causes of latency often include stuff like aggressive
| CPU sleeping to make the batteries last weeks. if you get rid
| of that, and pre-render the next screen, changing screens is
| something like 100ms or less. in the end you have a pile of
| tradeoffs that generally mean worse user experience when
| poking the device to get better user experience somewhere
| else. which is true of everything.
| smilespray wrote:
| How you implement the software makes a _huge_ difference for
| e-ink displays.
|
| The display is quite slow, so you have to implement delta
| screen updates instead of full-screen refreshes.
|
| You also have to deal with ghosting in a similar manner that
| doesn't require the entire screen to flash from black to
| white several times.
| rich_sasha wrote:
| Phenomenal news.
|
| I'm hoping competition drives prices down. Remarkable 2 looks
| neat but so expensive. Now there's choice.
| goosedragons wrote:
| There's already been choice in the 10.3" eInk note pad segment,
| Kobo Elipsa, Fujitsu Quaderno, Boox Note and Note Air, Likebook
| P10W, Supernote A5X, etc. It's just such a niche thing combined
| with most of the devices being Asian focused and remarkable
| heavy online marketing that makes them seem like the only
| option.
| hdjjhhvvhga wrote:
| They are still relatively expensive in relation to kindles. I
| really hope the prices get below $200 one day.
| einpoklum wrote:
| Whatever Amazon sells you, you're probably paying for it
| indirectly some other way.
| netizen-936824 wrote:
| I agree. This is a poor comparison.
|
| A product that's subsidized will always win the price war
| with one that's not
| hdjjhhvvhga wrote:
| Well, the difference between Kindle Paperwhite and Oasis
| is just one inch - but you need to pay twice as much. You
| could say only the former is subsidized - but wouldn't it
| be in Amazon's best interest to make reading experience
| more comfortable?
| netizen-936824 wrote:
| Its in Amazon's best interest to offer either convenience
| or lower price, which is what they do at the cost of
| treating labor poorly and harvesting usage data.
|
| It's comfort and convenience subsidized through suffering
| spr93 wrote:
| The Kobo Sage is slightly cheaper (in the US) for a
| comparable product. Still over $200, but not a lot if you
| get a Sage on sale and buy via Rakuten for an additional
| rebate.
|
| I've had a Kindle Oasis (the non-ad-supported version) for
| a couple years. A couple months ago I got a Kobo Sage.
|
| Same in both Oasis and Sage: - Screen quality - Battery
| life (in my experience; this doesn't match the actual specs
| of the products though) - "Waterproof"
|
| Differences: Favoring Kobo Sage: - Screen is a bit bigger
| without a significant penalty in size and weight -
| Compatible with a pen and has built-in drawing/OCR/note-
| taking capabilities - Really easy to borrow eBooks from
| library via OverDrive - Easier to side-load and sync free
| eBooks - Slightly cheaper (US)
|
| Favoring Kindle Oasis: - Slightly lighter weight and more
| compact - More responsive buttons (touch screen is same
| responsiveness) - Amazon's book purchasing and browsing
| features are a bit easier to use - Amazon selection is
| better - "Family" sharing - Built-in free cellular wireless
| data for Amazon downloads and browsing
|
| I'm happy owning both devices. If I had to choose one or
| the other, then:
|
| eReader only: I'd choose Kobo only because library
| borrowing is so much easier. If my local library didn't
| have OverDrive, then I would choose the Kindle + Amazon
| Unlimited in a heartbeat.
|
| eInk tablet: Kobo, no question. The Kindle is an eReader.
| Amazon hasn't made any effort to make it anything more. It
| simply doesn't make sense to me to compare any eInk Kindle
| to the Kobo, MatePad, ReMarkable, Boox, etc.
|
| My partner likes eInk tablets for note taking and
| diagramming, not for e-reading. He has both a ReMarkable 2
| and a Boox. The ReMarkable is fine, but He much prefers the
| Boox because it's easier to use without a subscription.
| But, now that my partner has used my Kobo Sage, he is
| unsure whether he'd buy a Boox over a Sage. He says it's a
| very close call and it would probably come down to price.
| ksec wrote:
| >Remarkable 2 looks neat but so _expensive_. Now there's
| choice.
|
| R2 is $399, judging from the EUR retail price of EUR499 inc.
| VAT this will likely retail at $499 in US.
|
| It is not cheaper than R2.
| chrismorgan wrote:
| The prices reMarkable advertise are deceptive to the point
| where I reckon they're probably illegal under at least
| Australian advertising law: that price doesn't include a
| marker, which is almost essential to the deliberately
| expressed purpose of the device; so add on another 20%. Most
| people will also want some kind of cover, which is _another_
| 20% for the cheapest reMarkable sells.
|
| You've got to be careful about this when comparing prices of
| different products, because they include different things. It
| sounds like Huawei's will include a stylus and cover for that
| price, which _does_ make it a little cheaper than
| reMarkable's equivalent bundle.
| smilespray wrote:
| Also, if you want basic features like cloud sync and
| handwriting conversion, you have to sign up for the $8/mo
| subscription.
|
| Which is why hell will freeze over before I purchase a
| reMarkable.
|
| Incidentally, the free plan offers something called "50-day
| sync", which is described like this:
|
| "Without a subscription, you can still use the cloud to
| store and sync your notes. However, files will stop syncing
| to the mobile and desktop apps if they haven't been opened
| in the last 50 days. They'll still be automatically stored
| on your paper tablet."
|
| Just to be clear: This is a feature designed for the
| marketing department, not for users.
|
| The marketing people get to say that "we offer free cloud
| sync", while reducing users' trust in the cloud sync
| significantly enough that they feel obliged to sign up for
| the paid subscription.
|
| It's infuriating.
| robga wrote:
| > if you want basic features like cloud sync and
| handwriting conversion, you have to sign up for the $8/mo
| subscription.
|
| You don't "have to" for cloud sync. Remarkable is a
| fairly open platform and there is a vibrant open source
| community surrounding it.
|
| You can use a tool like the Remote Connection Utility
| [0], with support for $12pa. "RCU ensures the user's data
| is never out of their control, completely unshackled from
| the manufacturer's proprietary cloud.". There are other
| tools.
|
| I can't speak to handwriting conversion as I don't use
| it, but I suspect they don't have any secret sauce and
| that any 3rd party recognition app can deal with the
| content if provided in a standard format. I sure wouldn't
| be wanting boox or Huawei clouds to scan my raw text.
|
| [0] http://www.davisr.me/projects/rcu/
| chrismorgan wrote:
| I wouldn't describe reMarkable as a fairly open platform.
| The one thing they got right was granting SSH root access
| as a way of complying with GPL and similar licenses, but
| that's honestly the extent of its openness from their
| side, and they've rebuffed any appeals from the community
| that supported them so strongly early on to be in _any_
| way more open. Their software is all closed source, and
| designed in a self-contained way that is fairly robustly
| non-extensible. Their on-device rendering is superb, but
| their off-device rendering (used in their desktop
| software, for example) is mediocre for most writing and
| outright bad for anything resembling art. (This was the
| case last time I tried, over a year ago, and I get the
| impression that it's still the case--they do something
| like turning their variable-width strokes into filled
| paths, then unioning them (to flatten self-intersection)
| and doing aggressive path simplification. I'm perplexed
| that they do it this way since it produces an _obviously_
| bad rendering on self-intersecting paths, which occur a
| lot in writing: path simplification needs to be done
| _before_ unioning, not after.)
|
| Sure, quite a few other people have written software for
| it or peripheral to it, but it's all based on reverse
| engineering, since you've got things like xochitl (the UI
| software that runs on the tablet) being written in Qt
| with QML so that you can get a certain degree of binary
| patching (see ddvk-hacks, which customises the UI a fair
| bit), and their file formats are all sufficiently simple
| where it matters (some JSON, some plain text, and the
| stroke data being a painfully unoptimised binary-packed
| data scheme) that people can approximate most of it
| pretty well. But I've been feeling a growing sense of
| dissatisfaction in the community on the openness side of
| things. Many people chose to go with reMarkable because
| of this ostensible openness and the idea that things
| would improve, but at least some of it is a mirage, and
| attempts at extending on-device functionality are
| decidedly for power-users only who are willing to
| tolerate various inconveniences.
|
| RCU is... eh. Tolerable. A good bit of work, but weaker
| than something first-party, mostly because of how it's
| built on reverse-engineering and fitting around the whims
| of the reMarkable team, and how their software is
| architected. Its syncing is mildly fragile, and I've
| steadily become convinced that its entire approach of
| doing per-document tarballs containing the files
| pertaining to that document, rather than just mirroring
| the device's ~/.local/share/remarkable/xochitl (which is
| flat) was misguided, a mistake as a _primary_ approach
| (use something like that for interchange, sure, but for
| the typical task of syncing it's very not good). Its
| rendering is the best I've found among open-source
| renderers, but it's still very inaccurate for anything
| even vaguely arty. I've written my own SVG rendering
| pipeline (which currently means no textures or variable
| opacities, but only variable stroke widths--and on the
| point of variable stroke widths I've done better than any
| before me by a considerable margin) that I haven't yet
| released, but thinking things through I've decided I'm
| actually not interested in continuing to work in and
| around a closed tool, so I don't think I'll bother going
| on to a more pixel-perfect bitmap renderer as I had
| originally planned; I'm more interested in the potential
| of starting from scratch in a proper open software
| ecosystem where you can actually add useful functionality
| to the software, rather than just eating the crumbs that
| drop from the master's table. In the mean time, `rsync
| --archive --verbose --compress --delete
| $REMARKABLE_HOST:.local /share/remarkable/xochitl/
| ~/reMarkable/data/` is excellent for sync.
|
| I look forward to the PineNote getting further. A little
| way down the line, I'll be seriously considering getting
| one and creating good long-form writing and drawing
| software optimised for it.
| lights0123 wrote:
| Cloud sync is also available by default without a
| subscription, just limited to files that were modified in
| the past 60 days.
| smilespray wrote:
| Read my above viewpoints as a UX professional about the
| 50 day sync "feature".
| echelon wrote:
| > Also, if you want basic features like cloud sync and
| handwriting conversion, you have to sign up for the $8/mo
| subscription.
|
| > Which is why hell will freeze over before I purchase a
| reMarkable.
|
| Maker of capital intensive hardware seeks revenue streams
| to bolster development and hire more engineers.
|
| _Chinese MANGA equivalent enters the chat with their own
| hardware financed from other business units and
| potentially subsidized._
|
| This is why we can't have nice things.
|
| We complain until the giants eat the market. Wait until
| you see the lock in they have in store. You won't be able
| to run arbitrary executables or hack on their devices
| like you can the reMarkable.
|
| Pay more for products from small companies.
| rchaud wrote:
| > Maker of capital intensive hardware seeks revenue
| streams to bolster development and hire more engineers.
|
| If China wasn't in this conversation, the above would be
| criticized as an example of greedy MBAs nickel and diming
| the consumer.
|
| The capability to do file sync for free has existed on
| computing devices for ages, yet somehow this is an area
| where rent-seeking is acceptable? At least Chinese
| vendors like Onyx use Android under the hood, so setting
| up Nextcloud, Dropbox or Syncthing Fork can be done in a
| matter of minutes, without any ridiculous subscription
| fees.
| echelon wrote:
| >> _Chinese MANGA equivalent enters the chat with their
| own hardware financed from other business units and
| potentially subsidized._
|
| > If China wasn't in this conversation [...]
|
| Substitute "China" for "Amazon" and my point still
| stands.
|
| > [...], the above would be criticized as an example of
| greedy MBAs nickel and diming the consumer.
|
| That's exactly my point though. We're too critical of
| small businesses with expensive products. It's
| unsustainable and unrewarding for small biz to innovate
| in hardware or expensive ventures that can easily be
| cloned and ripped off by big businesses that have
| fantastically mature revenue streams at scale.
|
| I'll take my point further. Consumer behavior won't
| change and there is no solution in trying to shore up
| customer empathy. Instead, top down policy is the
| solution. Patents need to be given asymmetric teeth in
| order to fend off the bloodthirsty giants. That way we
| continue to allocate capital to innovation rather than
| the act of subsidized carbon copying.
|
| A recent success case is Sonos in their patent litigation
| against Google's blatant copying of their multi-room
| audio product.
|
| (Granted, we also need to tamp down on no-product patent
| trolling. Those people are nothing more than fancy
| thieves wearing suits.)
| smilespray wrote:
| It's an electronic notepad. I'm not paying a monthly
| subscription for what _should_ be basic features and can
| be performed on-device. Sorry.
|
| Enterprise features like integration with enterprise
| software, SSO, MFA etc? Totally different, and happy to
| pay.
| chrisweekly wrote:
| RM2 is extremely useful without any subscription.
| vanderZwan wrote:
| You can use any standard resistive stylus pen though, which
| you can get for extremely cheap anywhere (and you need to
| anyway, since the tips will wear down). The only thing
| their accessory pen adds is a built-in eraser.
| erikprotagonist wrote:
| The Remarkable tablet uses a Wacom EMR stylus - I picket
| up a Remarkable 1 from a recycling container and it
| worked fine with my Samsung Note 8 (or so?) stylus, at
| least for pressure. Similarly, the Remarkable stylus
| works with the Samsung Galaxy S21 and S22 Ultra models.
|
| Wacom clone styluses are a bit more expensive than
| resistive styluses, but they can be bought for less than
| 20$.
| chrisweekly wrote:
| Choice is good! But while ofc YMMV, IME the ReMarkable2 is
| priced very reasonably; it immediately became part of my daily
| workflow and has had big ROI for me.
| d4rkp4ttern wrote:
| It all comes down to the paper like writing feel + latency.
| Several contenders have been compared to RM2, but RM2 has
| consistently won out. Curious how this one does.
| Loic wrote:
| The A5X from Supernote is now to the point that I personally
| have the feeling it writes as fast as paper[0].
|
| [0]: https://old.reddit.com/r/Supernote/comments/rkw00t/a5x_c
| hauv...
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| Most of the expense on these e-ink tablets comes from the huge
| cost of that screen, so unless Huawei is willing to subsidize
| this product and monetize your private data instead, I doubt
| this will be significantly cheaper than the competition.
|
| Regardless of price though, I'm not willing to out my private
| data on Huawei devices.
| CommanderData wrote:
| Are there no other companies apart from e-ink?
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| There is no "other company".
|
| E-ink owns the parents, the fabs and the secret sauce to
| profitably producing quality e-ink film in good yelds.
|
| Even without the parents, building fabs and the film
| profitably without their secret sauce would be impossible.
|
| It's kind of like the early days of OLED when Samsung was
| the only one who could fab the tech profitably.
| criddell wrote:
| There are other companies now. Plastic Logic and OED are
| two I know of.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| I checked them out and as far as I could tell, both are
| making displays based on E-ink's film. E-ink is also a
| major shareholder of Plastic Logic.
|
| As I was saying, E-ink is the only game in town making
| the film. All the others are making displays based on it.
| goosedragons wrote:
| Not really. I'm pretty sure e-ink tech is still patented.
| There are some similar options like DES used in the maybe
| vaporware Reinkstone.
| 2Gkashmiri wrote:
| not to sound cynical but you are willing to draw the line
| with an american company, say google but not an openly
| chinese company like huawei. cool.
|
| what about all the chinese people then? why would they want
| to use a google device over a huawei device?
|
| shouldnt the discussion be about no company being able to
| harvest data in the first place, then we wouldnt be having
| this discussion about nationalities of the overlords
| Ancapistani wrote:
| For context, I own a Huawei Matebook D and multiple "smart"
| devices by Apple and Samsung.
|
| I'm hesitant to buy a Huawei device because of issues with
| support and build quality. My Matebook D is down at the
| moment due to an issue with the USB-C port, which also
| supplies power. I've owned many devices at this point that
| use USB-C, and the Huawei is the only one that has ever
| failed for this reason. To be fair I can't 100% lay the
| blame on "poor build quality", as my kids were the primary
| users and my youngest is hell on cables.
|
| What I can say is that getting parts or support for it
| seems basically impossible. Understanding that that's
| because of the US government doesn't make it better. I'm
| hoping I'll be able to reflow the jack on the motherboard
| and get it to work again, but if not, I'll end up having to
| source a pulled motherboard from eBay - there's no other
| way for me to get parts, and as far as I can tell, no way
| for me to send it to the manufacturer for repair, even on
| my dime.
|
| Between Apple, Samsung, and Google...
|
| My experience with Samsung devices tells me that longevity
| isn't their strong suit. I'll never buy another Samsung TV
| again, and am very unlikely to buy another Samsung
| appliance. I might be willing to buy a phone or laptop, but
| only if there is adequate insurance or a service plan
| included in the price.
|
| I don't trust Google. I try to keep as much of my data out
| of their hands as possible. I know that's a losing
| proposition - both because it may actually be impossible
| and because I'm not willing or able to completely cut
| Google services out of my life. I _really_ don't want an
| Android device if I can help it.
|
| I don't exactly trust Apple, either, but at least it seems
| like they have a slightly more conservative corporate
| policy when it comes to sharing the data they've collected
| on my identity and usage. They're known to push back
| against "mass" warrants, and I've not seen anything that
| would lead me to believe that they have or plan to sell
| those data to a third party. They collect it, archive it,
| and use it for their own purposes, though. I wouldn't call
| that "good", but it's better than the alternatives.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| You're making a lot of claims about me and about Chinese
| people, which are not true, based on stuff you made up.
| 2Gkashmiri wrote:
| made up what? i am not in the US or china and i already
| know xiaomi and google is harvesting data and selling ads
| as a form of extra revenue and they even make that as a
| selling point (ads help us subsidize cost of product) and
| other non-sense.
|
| does it matter that now huawei is doing the same? if i,
| as a user is having no issues with xiaomi or google or
| facebook harvesting and selling data to the highest
| bidder, how is huawei any "more" wrong or bad?
| ericcholis wrote:
| Supernote seems to be a popular alternative.
| Buxato wrote:
| I didn't knew that one, thanks!
| gadders wrote:
| Someone else has mentioned the Boox Note Air.
|
| I'm kind of hoping Amazon create one, and use ebook sales
| to subsidise the hardware cost.
| goosedragons wrote:
| Kobo has a 10.3" reader, it's a bit cheaper than
| competitors but it's also not as good.
|
| Amazon doesn't really seem to subsidize ereader hardware
| except maybe in countries where they are "losing" like
| Canada. Like compare what you get with a Boox Leaf or
| Boyue P78 for the price of a Kindle Oasis.
| flatiron wrote:
| My kindle is "ad supported" which I always took as they
| subsidized it. That being said at least a year ago you
| can hack it and install ko reader and set the ad
| directory to read only and you got yourself a darn good
| Ereader with no ads.
| goosedragons wrote:
| It is or at least was cheaper to buy a Kindle Paperwhite
| in Canada with no ads than one in the U.S with ads. Even
| after taxes and conversion. It's really really unusual
| for an electronic product to be cheaper in Canada than
| the U.S.
|
| Usually a comparable Kobo or Pocketbook is within
| spitting distance if not cheaper. The 6.8" Paperwhite
| somewhat upset the balance as they don't have a direct
| response to it right now. A Kobo Libra 2 is 90% of what
| an Oasis is for 2/3rds the cost. And no ads.
| lhl wrote:
| I've been using a Onyx Boox Note 3 for a couple years now (I
| previously had a Remarkable 1 but it didn't stick for me) - it
| has Android 10 (w/ Google Play support) and even an SDK for
| responsive writing for 3rd party apps. It's been great for
| taking notes, and adequate for reading books and papers
| (although even a single color for highlighting would be a huge
| improvement).
|
| Note, that Onyx is notorious for violating the GPL (it doesn't
| release kernel sources), while reMarkable is not only
| compliant, but much more hacker friendly in general:
| https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable
|
| But there are also other companies/products Boyue Likebook,
| Ratta Supernote, Quirklogic Papyr, Fujitsu Quaderno that
| compete in the e-ink notepad space as well. I'm keeping an eye
| on the Bigme Carve Color personally, which basically has all
| the hardware specs you'd want and color (Kaleido 2) to boot:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydo5FtSt_qQ
|
| For those looking at color, it might be worth waiting a few
| months to see if 1) if the Reinkstone R1 is actually vaporware
| or not (it has an alternative DES that looks like it provides
| better looking color, but is being developed by a questionable
| Chinese company that's been best by delays) and if eInk's
| Kaleido 3 is a significant improvement.
|
| For those interested in the relatively niche world of e-ink
| devices, I highly recommend MyDeepGuide as a good place to
| start: https://www.youtube.com/c/MyDeepGuide/videos
| Buxato wrote:
| Soon: https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/
|
| Also I want to recommend this one: Onyx Boox Nova3 Not so
| wallet gardened, and with a modern Android (so you could use
| google maps, openstreet maps or whatever among many other
| things)
| rich_sasha wrote:
| I'd be keen, except I have no time to tinker. As far as I can
| tell, PinePhones are still very much DIY, might work etc.
| squarefoot wrote:
| > Soon: https://www.pine64.org/pinenote/
|
| Eagerly waiting for it to become stable enough, and possibly
| the announcement of a bigger screen version. I'm not a mole,
| although I wear glasses, but books with diagrams and
| schematics need bigger screens not to be forced to zoom back
| and forth. I would also like a cheaper and bigger reader-only
| version, that is with no hardware/software to take notes,
| reduced eMMC storage in favor of external uSD cards, and good
| network integration supporting both NFS and CIFS. It would be
| nice for users who either bring their books on a uSD card, or
| would use the reader in a lab where most documentation files
| are already shared via local WiFi network.
| pedalpete wrote:
| I hadn't see this. I've got a Boox Nova3, and though I like
| it in theory, the UX isn't great. That's the reason I'd
| consider the Huawei.
|
| But also, how long until Amazon makes a kindle that lets me
| take notes both in the book I'm reading, but also as just a
| blank notebook....please please...
| aidenn0 wrote:
| As soon as that is able to reliably show PDFs and ePUBs with
| decent battery life, I'll probably get one. My phone is too
| small for some reading content, and the remarkable tablets
| lack a frontlight.
| AcerbicZero wrote:
| I wouldn't buy Huawei toilet paper let alone a tablet I might
| write something on.
|
| I made the awful mistake of buying one of their phones back when
| they partnered with Google for one of the nexus phones. Horrible
| device, and probably full of communism too.
| pastrami_panda wrote:
| With all the events happening right now I find it really hard to
| justify buying products made in China/Russia/Belarus.
|
| This product looks great, but I'll never have a clean conscious
| knowing my money is by extension financing terrorists.
| blondie9x wrote:
| It looks like a ripoff of the reMarkable 2 eInk pad.
| https://remarkable.com/ I'm surprised Apple or Microsoft hasn't
| made an eInk display. Btw what happened to Amazon's Kindle DX?
| That was literally the pioneer in the large eInk display space
| but it disappeared. I miss Kindle DX
| https://www.amazon.com/Kindle-DX-Wireless-Reader-3G-Global/
| projektfu wrote:
| What electronics can you buy that aren't basically Chinese
| devices at this point? Raspberry pi has assembly in Wales but
| parts are sourced normally, from China. I understand the
| feeling but, just like it's hard to participate in the modern
| economy and oppose climate change, it's hard to boycott China.
|
| Really, I'm honestly looking for alternatives, not saying
| you're wrong. How do we get out from this situation?
| akvadrako wrote:
| I think Samsung mostly avoids producing products in China.
|
| https://www.makeuseof.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made/
| echelon wrote:
| > How do we get out from this situation?
|
| Get together with close allies (Europe, Japan, Korea,
| Australia, etc.) and decide to run afoul of the WTO. Favor
| domestic and close partners though heavy subsidies. This will
| upset the global balance of trade, treaties, etc. and will
| cause international tensions to rise, but it'll have to be
| done.
|
| Build domestic factories in a special economic zone. Staff
| them with lots of immigrants and provide free education,
| child support, low cost of living, and a guaranteed path to
| citizenship. Open the flood gates, because we'll need lots of
| people.
|
| Companies that build these factories get thirty years of 100%
| tax exemptions. Companies that source from them get lower
| taxes too.
|
| If China complains, cut off the food and energy exports. It's
| their weakness and they'll step in line.
|
| Are there any glaring flaws in this plan?
| coolso wrote:
| Huawei is a Chinese corporation. That's a little different
| than simply being made there (which companies are finally
| starting to move away from)
| sofixa wrote:
| Why are you lumping China with the actual invaders? There's the
| Taiwan mess, and China don't participate in the sanctions
| regime, but it's not the same thing as actively invading. ( For
| the record, i think that sanctioning Russia is the morally
| correct thing to do)
| philliphaydon wrote:
| China is currently having about 18 border disputes. Amongst
| all the non land grabbing stuff they are doing.
| pasabagi wrote:
| That's ridiculous. Japan has a load of border disputes, and
| pacifism is literally written into their constitution. Most
| countries in east asia have them.
| pastrami_panda wrote:
| It's simply because it's way overdue. China does countless
| things I can't support and for me this was the stick that
| broke the camel's back.
| dspillett wrote:
| While not on top of the news cycle, the continuing un-freeing
| of Hong Kong, the treatment of the Uyghur population, and
| likely a number of other things, qualify for pastrami_pasta's
| "happening right now" description.
| throwaway4good wrote:
| It seems like some people really wanted a war with China, and
| are very upset that they got a war with Russia instead.
| CyanBird wrote:
| Just wait a couple weeks until they get relobotomized by
| CNN & Friends, then they won't really care about whom they
| are going to war with so long as they throw enough bombs
| around
| intricatedetail wrote:
| They are committing genocide, run concentration camps and
| forced labour. They actively threat Taiwan. That's more than
| enough to justify avoiding them.
| mcdonje wrote:
| They are not committing genocide.
| https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17
| SamBam wrote:
| You're link is dead. Here [1] is a fairly nuanced take
| that concludes that most scholars would call what is
| happening "genocide," particularly due to the forced
| sterilizations.
|
| Regardless of whether it matches everyone's exact
| definition, it's clearly an atrocity.
|
| 1. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/is-china-
| committing-g...
| mcdonje wrote:
| Try this one: https://undocs.org/A/HRC/41/G/17
|
| UN representatives didn't characterize the situation as a
| genocide.
|
| Following the 'forced sterilization' link from the
| article you linked brought me to this one:
| https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-
| news-we...
|
| In there, they say frame it as an attack on minorities,
| but then they describe it as being applicable to people
| who already have 3 or more children. They just finished
| up a 1 child policy for the entire country and the Han
| majority are still reproducing below replacement levels.
|
| There is plenty to disagree with about their policies,
| but it's not genocide.
| spacehunt wrote:
| China refuses to condemn Russia and is towing their
| "peacekeeping" "denazification" line.
| sofixa wrote:
| No longer, today they said they'll work for peace and
| condemn the violence.
| spacehunt wrote:
| Nope, as of 7 hours ago China merely "regrets" the
| violence necessitated by the "legitimate national
| security claims" of Russia.
|
| https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1636556-2022030
| 1.h...
|
| Do you have a source?
| thih9 wrote:
| I have seen other statements.
|
| > Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi deplored the conflict
| between Ukraine and Russia, calling it a "war" and saying
| that he is "extremely concerned" about the harm to
| civilians, his office said in a statement following a call
| with his Ukrainian counterpart, Dmytro Kuleba.
|
| Source: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bloomberg/eu-approves-
| list-to-c...
| GiorgioG wrote:
| China could easily tell Russia to knock it off.
| severino wrote:
| They can't. Going against Russia means supporting USA,
| which is currently China's number one enemy.
| kalleboo wrote:
| Hong Kong
| rg111 wrote:
| Tibet, too.
| WaxedChewbacca wrote:
| I think you have a good notion about not buying Chinese stuff,
| but that reason doesn't make much sense to me. I've heard
| people say that the US might have caused the deaths of half a
| million children in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion; do you
| buy anything from the US?
| CyanBird wrote:
| Nonono, you see these are the good guys, they had good
| intentions
|
| They had good intentions supporting the invasion of
| Venezuela, or doing/supporting a coup in Brazil and Bolivia
|
| They always have good intentions so kind
|
| It is just odd why a place with such good intentions would
| not encourage Ukraine to sign the Minsk 2 agreements, but it
| was probably just an accident, all bad things such as these
| are always just accidents, yes, yes, accidents
|
| (apologies for polluting HN like so, but the levels of
| apologia that we have seen on the last few days and the
| figureheads that have shown themselves back on the public eye
| is just vomit inducing)
| artifact_44 wrote:
| Jtype wrote:
| "heard people say", "might have caused"
|
| Good thing you're going with the science on this one, or you
| wouldn't be able to buy anything from anywhere.
| sschueller wrote:
| And even though most Americans had nothing to do with it the
| ones that did are still walking free and will never face the
| ICC. [1]
|
| All I can hope for is that after what is happening now that
| Russia will face the ICC and the western countries that have
| committed crimes will also face justice.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-
| Members%27_Pr...
|
| EDIT: If you are going to down vote me, please explain your
| position. I don't see how anyone can disagree with war crimes
| being prosecuted.
| pinkpig wrote:
| Noting that, Huawei is especially special in these Chinese tech
| firms. I come from China and I, personnally, shall never buy
| any Huawei product. This is the compony really makes me
| disgusting. They advertise their products by tying themselves
| with Chinese nationalism. I.e., if you do not use Huawei as a
| Chinese, you betrayed your country. WTF. Their advertising
| strategy is even undermining the entire Chinese socirty, IMO.
| If you can endure this, or if you love their propagandas and
| support Chinese nationalism particularly, order your next
| Huawei phone or pad or something. Personnally I shall never.
| BTW, I do consider other Chinese firms. I declare that I do not
| have any interests with these companies, I'm only a humble
| consumer, believe it or not.
| thih9 wrote:
| I don't understand; China is not taking part in the "events
| happening right now" (assuming you mean invasion of Ukraine);
| the global boycott focuses on Russia (and to a lesser extent on
| Belarus).
| CyanBird wrote:
| He/she means everything, because he/she cant otherwise
| verbalize what upsets him/her
|
| All the news cycle becomes a tangled mess of "being upset at
| things", it doesn't really matter if these things are
| verifiable or not, the broader apparatus benefits either way
| so long as you become irrationally upset
| thih9 wrote:
| I think we should make the effort to verbalize things in a
| precise way. Otherwise this leads to noise/disinformation
| in general (and in particular it dillutes message to
| boycott Russia to put pressure on Russia to stop the
| invasion).
| SheinhardtWigCo wrote:
| Worse still, Huawei is actively participating in the Uyghur
| genocide.
|
| Leaked documents link Huawei to China's domestic spying in
| Xinjiang: https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/14/22834860/huawei-
| leaked-d...
|
| Huawei patent mentions use of Uighur-spotting tech:
| https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55634388
| IYasha wrote:
| Finally someone pointed to this, thanks! As soon as I became
| aware that huawei supplies concentration camps, I stopped
| buying their products.
| jbverschoor wrote:
| You've already done that, and keep doing that by using services
| which rely on oil, electronics, food, etc.
| 1337biz wrote:
| I honestly enjoy this line of argument. Reminds me of the meme
| of a bunch of spidermen pointing guns at each other and
| shouting "No You" at each other. Tell me what country you are
| from and I tell you why your products should be banned.
| rchaud wrote:
| But you'd buy an iPad right? Chinese factory owners certainly
| aren't making any money there /s
| subzelo wrote:
| I loved products from Huawei and Xiaomi, but also can't justify
| buying their products since the Uyghur situation.
| sschueller wrote:
| I hope you don't own any Apple products.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| radmuzom wrote:
| tejohnso wrote:
| Wow, what a political tangent. If your conscience is clean,
| it's only because of your own convenient ignorance. Financing
| terrorists is something that is done by all militant empires.
| It's a pretty basic strategic military tactic. And the more
| militant the empire is, the more terrorist financing they're
| engaged in. Overthrowing democratically elected governments is
| a typical outcome.
| peoplefromibiza wrote:
| > , but I'll never have a clean conscious knowing my money is
| by extension financing terrorists
|
| We should all stop buying American products as well, especially
| Apples'
|
| https://www.theinformation.com/articles/facing-hostile-chine...
|
| I very much prefer China to any American Corporation
| Tarrosion wrote:
| You prefer China (presumably here we mean the CCP) to any
| American corporation, because some American companies have
| done the moral wrong of sometimes folding to the CCP? Seems a
| bit inside out.
| sdevonoes wrote:
| I guess he wanted to be aligned with OP, as in: Russia-
| Ukraine war => Don't support Russia. America-Afghanistan
| war => Don't support America.
| peoplefromibiza wrote:
| > You prefer China (presumably here we mean the CCP)
|
| There only exists one official China on this planet...
|
| > because some American companies have done the moral wrong
|
| Do we really wanna talk about all the wrong American
| governments and/or corporations have done in the past 75
| years?
|
| Or how many resources they depleted while large parts of
| the World were barely surviving?
|
| Are you sure?
| pinephoneguy wrote:
| >There only exists one official China on this planet...
|
| ROC an PRC agree on that at least.
| Jtype wrote:
| Yes, go ahead and directly compare the US with China. How
| many deaths can be directly attributed to each? How free
| are the citizens of China to criticize the Chinese
| leadership? The US? Which of the two country's practice
| organ harvesting? Which of the two country's is
| practicing ethnic cleansing right now? Is there a single
| historical event in the US that everyone is in fear of
| discussing at all? How about talking about Tiananmen
| square in China? You don't think that China is "depleting
| resources"?
|
| People like you always want to compare historic issues
| with current issues, when it advances your rabid anti-US
| rhetoric. The truth of the matter is that times change
| and people, countries, and industry is doing so much
| better now. Comparing the US of 75 years ago to the China
| of today is a dishonest juxtaposition, that both slanders
| the US and infantilizes China.
| peoplefromibiza wrote:
| > Yes, go ahead and directly compare the US with China
|
| usually people who are completely wrong don't even know
| how much wrong they are...
|
| > Which of the two country's practice organ harvesting?
|
| _Countries like the U.S. and Canada did not include
| organ trafficking as a form of human trafficking when
| adopting their national laws on human trafficking.
| However, in the U.S. for example, some individual states
| like Massachusetts include organ trafficking within their
| state laws on human trafficking._
|
| > Which of the two country's is practicing ethnic
| cleansing right now?
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ethnic_cleansing_i
| n_t...
|
| or do you prefer
|
| https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/ethnic-
| cleansing/trum...
|
| > How about talking about Tiananmen square in China?
|
| Do you ever talk about putting Pinochet in command in
| Chile?
|
| Or of the many other atrocities you, as a nation,
| committed in recent history?
|
| > You don't think that China is "depleting resources"?
|
| Average meat consumption in China is at 45kg per person
| per year, USA is at 119kg per person per year. Or 264
| pounds, if you prefer nonsensical units of measurement.
|
| And you have been doing it for almost a century.
|
| _The United States accounts for about five percent of
| global population, but is responsible for 30 percent of
| global energy use and 28 percent of carbon emissions_
|
| > Comparing the US of 75 years ago to the China of today
| is a dishonest juxtaposition
|
| China is still a better trade partner than USA, even
| today.
|
| The only reason Americans hate Chinese so much (it's a
| recent thing, they used to love 'em) is simply because
| they beat them at manufacturing.
|
| But when they buy US debt they are fine with it...
|
| Or when they invest in Silicon Valley together with
| bloodthirsty Saudi Crown Princes, they open not only
| their doors, but also their hearts to them.
|
| Here we can see Tim Cook together with Mohammed bin
| Salman, responsbile for the Khashoggi assassination in
| 2018.
|
| https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/h6MR1tH-Ps__vGg-
| IZWyUTL-5Ho=...
|
| (from
| https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/5/1/18511540/silicon-
| valley-...)
|
| Here we can see your elected President explaining how
| many fighter jets and other weapons your country sold to
| Saudi Arabia (translation: to Bin Salman, the man besides
| him)
|
| https://gdb.voanews.com/7BB4C7FE-F921-4D0D-867F-53B769193
| 1F0...
|
| If you think that China is to be boycotted, well, I don't
| see a reason why to not boycott USA as well.
|
| It's very simple logic, you probably don't see it from
| there, but from the real land of the free, you're not
| that different.
| IYasha wrote:
| Both. Both. Both. In different forms, but, more or less,
| all of this occurred in both US and CN. And other
| countries too. People get butthurt a lot when someone's
| criticizing their country, but I don't care about
| countries, I care about humanity. And it was hard to
| overcome all the brainwashing.
| [deleted]
| brk wrote:
| Will this product be affected by the US bans on Huawei?
| e-clinton wrote:
| Highly likely, but remember those bans affect the government,
| not private citizens. You're free to buy Huawei products.
| mtmail wrote:
| And government contractors. We got a questionnaire asking if
| we use any Huawei products at our company.
| intricatedetail wrote:
| The last thing I want is CPC reading my notes. Unless device can
| be loaded with trusted OS and air gapped I wouldn't take it even
| if they paid me.
| murat124 wrote:
| You mean CCP (Chinese Communist Party).
|
| Edit: Turns out officially it is CPC. English abbreviation is
| CCP.
| morsch wrote:
| RRP EUR499 (around $558) according to
| https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/28/22954498/huawei-matepad-p...
| NiceWayToDoIT wrote:
| ... and probably PS499 in UK which translates to $670. Does it
| worth it?
| DocTomoe wrote:
| Hm, is that really a competitive price these days? That's more
| than 130 Euros more than an entry-level iPad... which has a
| long and good track record.
| mellosouls wrote:
| The Matepad seems expensive though is comparable to other
| large eInk readers, but the iPad certainly doesn't have a
| track record as a dedicated (eInk) e-reader. Two very
| different things here.
| rjsw wrote:
| Similar price and specs to the PineNote.
| dspillett wrote:
| The iPad probably moves a lot more units though due to more
| general appeal. There are economies of scale that e-ink
| devices don't currently benefit from.
|
| Also if you try buy an e-ink screen as a part for a project
| you'll see a difference in price, which will no doubt be a
| factor too (though the difference you or I pay for a single
| unit might not be entire indicative of what is paid for
| bulk/regular orders by manufacturers).
| dotancohen wrote:
| As a software developer, I'm doing all I can to reduce my
| "screen time". I have a Barnes & Noble Nook and I've noticed
| that reading on the E-Ink nook is not screen time in the
| sense that it does not negatively affect my eye comfort.
| After looking at two 24" LCD monitors all day, with breaks to
| look at a 6" LCD telephone screen, the eyes do not want any
| more flashlights pointed at them. But the Nook (and other
| E-Ink devices) is not a flashlight and does not cause eye
| strain so far as I can tell.
| can16358p wrote:
| It's not the same thing. I think the target use cases are
| different. The e-ink and pen input combination is really
| trying to create a paper-like experience (which's great for
| reading and taking notes).
|
| On the other hand iPad is more general-purpose powerhouse for
| pretty much anything, but if I'm between this and iPad for
| reading some books I'd prefer this. And I use/love an iPad
| Pro+Apple Pencil. Still would consider this for my long
| book/blog/paper reads.
| peoplefromibiza wrote:
| iPads are not e-ink devices
|
| which make them worse in almost every way to do the things an
| e-ink device is built for.
| ernesth wrote:
| So it is far more expensive than the similar bookeen notea and
| kobo elipsa which cost 400EUR.
| nemacol wrote:
| >MEMORY ROM:64 GB *The available internal storage may be smaller
| as part of the internal storage is occupied by software.
|
| Memory, ROM(??), RAM all the same thing? Am I misunderstanding or
| is this not the full picture?
| renewiltord wrote:
| 4 GiB RAM. Oddly it's on the features page.
| nemacol wrote:
| Thank you.
| Loic wrote:
| As an alternative, I am extremely satisfied with the A5X from
| Ratta Supernote. The latency when writing is as good as the RM2.
|
| [0]: https://supernote.com/
| dddw wrote:
| Looks nice. Is there a way to use your own sync instead of
| theirs?
| Loic wrote:
| I am using it totally _offline_ , I just plug it with the USB
| cable in my laptop (running Linux) and have a full access on
| the content to sync as I wish and need.
|
| I haven't used their cloud offering.
| Zircom wrote:
| They support Dropbox syncing and they're working on Google
| drive support at the moment.
| TheFreim wrote:
| They've also stated multiple times that they're working on
| getting a public developer api, I think it's on their
| current road map found on reddit.
| dotancohen wrote:
| You're satisfied with a device that is accepting pre-orders and
| hasn't shipped yet?
| CatAtHeart wrote:
| The "pre-order" label is mostly due to supply chain delays.
| Currently there is a ~month lead time. I ordered mine back in
| late January and it is arriving this week.
| Zircom wrote:
| Do yourself a favor and order a stylus with a dedicated
| eraser button while you're waiting, I personally can't
| stand having to click up top to change to erasing mode and
| then go back to where I was to erase stuff, and their touch
| gesture activated erasing is kind of janky and
| inconsistent. Other than that though I'm pretty satisfied
| with it.
| TheFreim wrote:
| > their touch gesture activated erasing is kind of janky
| and inconsistent
|
| Could you expand upon what you mean by janky? My
| supernote is arriving soon and in my hours I spent
| reading and watching reviews the gesture erasing was
| consistently praised.
| kayodelycaon wrote:
| If you're using an A6X at an angle, like resting it on an
| arm of a couch, the gesture fails more than it works.
|
| It also fails if part of your other hand brushes the
| screen.
| TheFreim wrote:
| > You're satisfied with a device that is accepting pre-orders
| and hasn't shipped yet?
|
| I ordered one in late January and it's arriving next week.
| Zircom wrote:
| It's been released for quite awhile, they were just having
| supply issues so they're backordered a bit. I bought one hand
| to avoid the wait and love mine fwiw.
| Loic wrote:
| It is my daily driver, I bought and received my A5X early
| October 2021. I am surprised with your question.
| dotancohen wrote:
| Interesting, thanks.
| forgotmyoldacc wrote:
| Why not use a RM2 then?
| rotten wrote:
| RM2 also has a nasty subscription service required to get all
| the features.
| macco wrote:
| I am really not an Apple fan, but this website is borderline
| plagiarism.
|
| I would really love if the immense investments of Huawei would
| bring something genuine to light.
| pphysch wrote:
| ...It's a minimal, responsive, functional page for selling a
| product. Apple didn't invent this any more than they invented
| the PC or smartphone.
| mardifoufs wrote:
| If anything imo it's much closer to the Samsung website than
| apple's
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