[HN Gopher] End-of-life dates
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End-of-life dates
Author : chynkm
Score : 199 points
Date : 2022-02-28 12:15 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| mud_dauber wrote:
| Not EXACTLY sure if applicable, but here goes:
|
| * I used to manage EOL notifications for a semiconductor co.
| There is an industry-std process for doing so.
|
| * EOL announcements came with pre-warning timelines. 12 months'
| warning, for example.
|
| * EOL dates were usually shared only with verified customers to
| keep the churn to a minimum. Alternative suppliers (with SKUs)
| were encouraged.
|
| * Product lines with EOL data was kept on a firewalled site for
| sales & customer lookups.
|
| * There were a couple of 3rd party & startup cos that tried to
| aggregate EOL dates, with minimal success.
| ck2 wrote:
| Very very nice. Confirmed a few dates I knew and some I wasn't
| aware of.
|
| Maybe helpful note that Windows 7 is not technically EOL but ESU
|
| https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/extended-secu...
|
| January 10, 2023
| ChrisSD wrote:
| With the caveat that ESU (Extended security Updates) cost
| companies increasing $$$ for every year after extended support
| ended.
| benknight87 wrote:
| Small nitpick - the search form doesn't stand out as input, it
| just looks like random header text.
| mcemilg wrote:
| It's cool; honestly, I didn't know Python 3.6 support ended two
| months ago while I was still using it.
| JohnTHaller wrote:
| Related: I hate that Apple doesn't give end of life dates for
| their OS releases. Especially since Safari is artificially tied
| to them IE-style.
| londons_explore wrote:
| The bricks my house is made of are now 119 years old. They
| haven't received any updates or substantial maintenance. The guy
| who made them is dead. His company is gone.
|
| Yet they are still functional and secure. They still work with
| the latest screws. If I had to switch out my bricks every 5
| years, I don't think I'd have any time or money left for the rest
| of life.
|
| Can we make software that's a little more like my bricks?
| fsflover wrote:
| Perhaps if you follow Unix philosophy, you can write such
| software.
| tikkabhuna wrote:
| A single brick is more like a line of code than an application
| or library.
|
| Applications are more like buildings which need to be
| maintained. Perhaps you could consider it a multi-use building
| with many tenants and sometimes under attack.
| scrollaway wrote:
| Everything has a lifetime. Individual bricks just have a pretty
| long one. Your building overall probably has a much, much
| shorter lifetime than you think, and likely has received
| updates and substantial maintenance over the decades, if
| anything at least to keep it up to code.
|
| Maintenance is one way of extending the lifetime of things.
| Otherwise, your building would regularly be torn down and
| rebuilt. This is often the case, when maintenance is no longer
| enough. That's the best case scenario, too, as the worst case
| is it collapses of its own volition, potentially with you in
| it.
|
| Everything has a lifetime:
| https://tildes.net/~talk/109v/thoughts_on_lifetimes_limits_a...
| bluGill wrote:
| Do you really want to? Your house probably didn't have electric
| lights when it was made. Your house probably didn't have
| telephone, much less cable TV wires, or ethernet. Note that
| wired telephone is a technology that came and went during the
| life of your house, today you may not care, but 50 years ago
| that would have been an issue. I'm not sure if your house would
| have had plumbing or not, even if it did the bathroom (singular
| - today most families want several) and kitchen were at best
| outdated. I have no doubt that your house has poor insulation.
| I suspect that your house has had several major renovations
| over the years, and the basic facts of the original structure
| limit what you can do and so it is still dated (though maybe in
| an endearing way)
|
| I'm starting to think the Japanese have the right idea: build
| the house to last 20 years and rebuild often. Some parts of
| modern house design are fads that I hope to see die, but there
| are a lot of parts about modern houses that make them much
| better than old ones.
| cestith wrote:
| The bricks may be fine another couple of centuries or more.
| Brick walls eventually become piles of bricks if they are not
| maintained, though. How many times do you figure someone has
| done tuck pointing on the mortar in 12 decades?
| magicalhippo wrote:
| While not 120 years old, we have code in production that was
| written 30 years ago and runs just fine.
|
| It will be replaced this year however, not because there's
| anything wrong with it besides code quality, but because it
| generates files for a system that'll be changed to something
| entirely different this year.
|
| If the ground around your house physically changed completely
| every 5 years, then maybe you'd switch out bricks more often as
| well...
| coruja wrote:
| A little more related in my opinion is enterprise hardware. I
| recently started a new career managing software and hardware
| acquisitions, including their maintenance, for a very large
| organization. When OEM support and maintenance is required by
| policy, the EOL renders that associated hardware useless unless
| you're willing to maintain 3rd party maintenance. Which, from
| my understanding, even patches for vulns such as the recent
| log4 vuln would not be covered. One could argue that this
| limitation is created by such organizational policies, I guess,
| but it makes the whole industry look more like a leasing
| structure with purchase prices to me.
| o_m wrote:
| That's easy. Just write software that doesn't do anything.
| mbesto wrote:
| > Can we make software that's a little more like my bricks?
|
| Excellent. This is a great analogy!
|
| - Did the weather in your area change? Maybe you live in Texas
| and experienced an abnormally huge freeze in 2020 which cause
| most people to have to replace plumbing and water heaters?
|
| - Maybe you are experiencing more hurricanes than normal and so
| flooding has become more likely. Now you need to put your house
| up on stilts?
|
| - What about that new Tesla you might have bought that needs a
| 240v charger? Can you do this without ripping open the wall?
|
| Software entropy is not just because the software changes, but
| because the _environment_ changes.
| theandrewbailey wrote:
| - Did your neighborhood become a war zone?
| jve wrote:
| So, whos gonna find the longest concrete date right there? I have
| one for 22 years...
|
| 3.5 SP1 14 years ago (19 Nov 2007) Ends in 6 years and 10 months
| (09 Jan 2029)
| Taywee wrote:
| The mobile version of this is unusable on Firefox for Android.
| monkpit wrote:
| Same on iPhone/safari.
| TobTobXX wrote:
| Workaround (FF/Android): Switch to Desktop mode.
| WhyNotHugo wrote:
| Very handy. Will keep it bookmarked for reference.
| badrabbit wrote:
| That name. I clicked thinking it was about people in a hospice
| dating. Glad it's nothing so morbid.
| bko wrote:
| I thought it was dates in which people prophesized end of the
| world, including dates of actual end of world (e.g. heat death
| of universe)
| jraph wrote:
| Me too.
|
| Reading other comments, it appears once again that it's
| unfortunate that date designates both a reference to a
| particular day, and a romantic encounter.
| code_duck wrote:
| EOLdates may have been a more easily interpreted name to tech
| people.
| Vinnl wrote:
| Me too, mostly because it's literally one of the projects on my
| project idea list. I wouldn't call that morbid though; I think
| it'd be beautiful to support terminally ill people finding love
| with less worry about leaving the other party behind.
| jaynetics wrote:
| I expected this to be a form where I could put in some personal
| data and it would calculate the date of my death. I'm slightly
| disappointed.
| [deleted]
| devoutsalsa wrote:
| I don't know why I was expecting Hospice Tinder.
| tacone wrote:
| Would be nice for this to have some sort of iCal integration.
| _dain_ wrote:
| thought this was a dating app for hospice patients
| [deleted]
| travisgriggs wrote:
| Ah, the joys of the English language. I read the headline and
| thought
|
| "Now that's a creative twist on marriage."
| scrollaway wrote:
| This is a super useful resource for anyone writing libraries that
| need to be compatible with a range of "all currently-supported
| versions" of something. I use it all the time.
| avnigo wrote:
| Meta: perhaps hyphenating 'end-of-life' or including 'EOL' in the
| title might make it clearer to the reader on what this is about.
| I don't know if it was just me trying to figure out what those
| 'life dates' were from the title.
| dbbk wrote:
| I thought it was dating for people who were terminally ill...
| dang wrote:
| Hyphenated above. Thanks!
| foo_barrio wrote:
| Interesting that you read it as "end of life-dates". I read it
| as "end-of-life dates" and thinking it was about very old
| people or terminally ill people dating each other and
| supporting themselves up through the end.
| MonkeyIsNull wrote:
| Exactly what I thought it was as well.
| ianai wrote:
| "Support cycles" or something would be more self
| explanatory.
| monocasa wrote:
| Yeah I thought someone was capitalizing on the trope that old
| folks homes are basically orgy shacks and making a Tinder
| competitor for the space. You get a lot of people together
| dormitory style that have lost their life partner already,
| can't get pregnant, in a lot cases take a 'well it won't last
| that much longer anyway' approach to STIs, and have modern
| access to boner pills, and you have a recipe for a lot of
| casual hookups.
| jjice wrote:
| Nice to have this as an aggregate of EOLs. Also didn't realize
| AL2 was hitting EOL so soon. I hope they have a better upgrade
| path for AL2022 than they did for AL2, which was "I don't know,
| figure it out" if I recall.
| jonhohle wrote:
| I'm not sure what I'm supposed to see, but all there is is a
| pitch for an end of life app and a link to GitHub and other
| supporting sites that talk about a project vaguely but don't
| provide any content or examples.
|
| Is there an issue with a data store or does the site not work in
| Safari (iOS)?
| mark_and_sweep wrote:
| Same for me, using Firefox on Android. The navigation is not
| visible. Quick workaround: Enable desktop mode in your browser.
| guessmyname wrote:
| Here are some examples:
|
| - https://endoflife.date/go
|
| - https://endoflife.date/php
|
| - https://endoflife.date/nodejs
| Liquid_Fire wrote:
| At least in Firefox (Android) if you tap in the top right
| corner (there is nothing visible there, but just tap in the
| very corner) a list of projects appears.
| ghostly_s wrote:
| what on eartg
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| Peak minimalism
| notRobot wrote:
| This works!
| NBJack wrote:
| Thought the same. Chrome mobile rendering doesn't have a menu
| to browse by. Hopefully they will fix it soon.
| asicsp wrote:
| Past discussion:
|
| "Show HN: Endoflife.date - Site with EOL dates of everything"
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20033728 _(248 points | May
| 2019 | 80 comments)_
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