[HN Gopher] These violent delights
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These violent delights
Author : sp332
Score : 77 points
Date : 2022-02-22 16:18 UTC (1 days ago)
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| not2b wrote:
| I like the subtle Alice's Restaurant reference: Remember my bug?
| This is a song about my bug.
| falcor84 wrote:
| I was a bit disappointed that TFA doesn't expand its title quote.
| Here's the full verse of this Shakespearean aphorism, which was
| also used to great effect on Westworld:
|
| "These violent delights have violent ends And in their triumph
| die, like fire and powder, Which as they kiss consume. The
| sweetest honey Is loathsome in his own deliciousness And in the
| taste confounds the appetite. Therefore love moderately; long
| love doth so; Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow." Romeo &
| Juliet - Act 2 Scene 6
| [deleted]
| pmarreck wrote:
| I'd love a machine learning powered shakespeare-to-modern-
| english translator because I feel that this is both beautiful
| and that I'm barely understanding it (but I'm also not really a
| literature guy).
|
| > Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow
|
| What is this trying to say, for example? When love is happening
| too fast, every moment apart feels like an eternity and thus
| the next time together always arrives "too tardy"? And... wait,
| what? I feel like I'm not quite grasping it
| dfabulich wrote:
| There's a very limited corpus of Shakespeare, and so plenty
| of folks have already manually translated Shakespeare into
| "modern." Here's Sparknotes, hardly the best:
|
| https://www.sparknotes.com/nofear/shakespeare/romeojuliet/pa.
| ..
|
| > _These sudden joys have sudden endings. They burn up in
| victory like fire and gunpowder. When they meet, as in a
| kiss, they explode. Too much honey is delicious, but it makes
| you sick to your stomach. Therefore, love each other in
| moderation. That is the key to long-lasting love. Too fast is
| as bad as too slow._
| nh23423fefe wrote:
| These kinds of translations are so soulless. They are only
| good to be read along side to really get the meaning. I
| love the literal-ness but hate the word choice.
| yed wrote:
| You might just be overthinking it. It means the same as "slow
| and steady wins the race".
| nh23423fefe wrote:
| Yeah I felt something like
|
| > The candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long
|
| a hot love burns itself out
| j4yav wrote:
| Exactly. Specifically it is saying being too early/fast is
| just as wrong as being too late/slow.
| kwhitefoot wrote:
| > shakespeare-to-modern-english translator because I feel
| that this is both beautiful and that I'm barely understanding
| it
|
| But if you translate it then it won't be beautiful; not
| unless the ML is as good a writer as Shakespeare.
|
| Anyway, Shakespeare really isn't that difficult. It should be
| read aloud, declaimed with passion. Then a lot of it will
| become clear, while some will remain ambiguous. Translating
| it will not, or ought not, remove the ambiguity.
|
| Anyway there are already simplified versions of Shakespeare.
| Here is one of Macbeth: https://www.academia.edu/6555385/A_Si
| mplified_and_Concise_Ve...
| paulmd wrote:
| if you haven't seen it, the 1996 version of Romeo and Juliet is
| fantastic, it's a re-setting of the story as a war between drug
| cartel "families" in "Verona Beach" (think 90s Miami). The
| whole thing is absolutely over-the-top and campy, yet actually
| manages to be probably the most accurate version of the story -
| it preserves all the dialog/etc and presents it in a digestible
| modern context.
|
| The opening sequence is one of my favorite scenes of all time.
| Can't find a copy that is both good quality and full length
| but:
|
| cut but good quality:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEzskNtFnIY
|
| full but lower quality:
| https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1kkig
|
| Shakespeare was the "trashy pulp novel" of his day and I'd like
| to think he'd have loved it.
| ornornor wrote:
| I absolutely love this movie. Swords in the original text are
| guns in the picture (but still called swords). Same with the
| helicopter on screen but never mentioned in the original
| words (because of course)
|
| Go watch it, it's great.
| AlphaWeaver wrote:
| If you've never had the chance to work with Inform 6 / Inform 7,
| it's a neat little language. Very odd architecture, but Inform 7
| has one of the most interesting methods of world modeling that
| I've ever seen.
|
| At one point I did a project using Inform 7's world modeling as
| the underlying "details engine" for a game, to help make the game
| world feel more realistic. It was somewhat clunky, but the
| potential is there for someone to do something like this in the
| future :)
| sp332 wrote:
| Reading Inform 7 code can be a weird experience. It starts very
| naturally describing rooms and items, but then you start to see
| the seams between the colorful language that authors put into
| the game and the strict syntax of the game engine itself.
|
| There's a Twitter bot that posts snippets of Inform 7 code out
| of context. https://twitter.com/inform_dreams
| the_af wrote:
| Well, sometimes violence _is_ the answer ;)
|
| It's a delightful change to read Zarf on technical matters; to me
| he is mostly one of the grand masters of Interactive Fiction (aka
| "text adventure games" in their most advanced form).
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