[HN Gopher] Going IPv6 Only
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Going IPv6 Only
Author : MartijnBraam
Score : 18 points
Date : 2022-02-19 21:39 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (blog.brixit.nl)
(TXT) w3m dump (blog.brixit.nl)
| ggm wrote:
| No hackernews. No reddit. no github.
| can16358p wrote:
| And with many ISPs worldwide (including mine) still not
| supporting IPv6 at all, this becomes a problem, not giving
| incentive to anyone to do the work to support IPv6 (or at least
| abandon IPv4) as it will only harm them by being inaccessible.
| MartijnBraam wrote:
| Which is why you make stuff dualstack first. Except most ISPs
| don't even seem to get that far...
| tsimionescu wrote:
| The problem being that dualstack is worse in every way than
| IPv4, and worse in every way than IPv6.
|
| The very fact that IPv6 adoption actually requires dual-stack
| IPv4+IPv6 adoption first is the very reason that adoption
| took such a hugely long time. If IPv6 could have been made
| backwards compatible somehow (it's probably mathematically
| impossible) then adoption would have been much faster (just
| look at HTTP -> HTTP2 -> HTTP3 already).
| scott00 wrote:
| From a backwards compatibility perspective, HTTP2->HTTP3 is
| really very similar to IPv4->IPv6. HTTP3 isn't really
| backwards compatible with HTTP2. The client just
| establishes a lower version connection and then the server
| (which must implement both versions) adds a header to the
| response telling the client they can establish a HTTP3
| connection if they want to. In IP land you get to skip the
| lower version initial connection because you've already
| figured it out from DNS, but other than that pretty much
| the same deal. In both cases both clients and servers that
| use a new version are dual-stacked because there are plenty
| of both clients and servers that only support the lower
| version.
| vetinari wrote:
| Even if they go with dualstack, they do DS-Lite instead
| (public IPv6, CGNAT-ed IPv4). For customers that have already
| public IPv4, that's negative incentive to even consider
| switching to it, thus the IPv6 ranks are not growing, even if
| they could.
| vbezhenar wrote:
| Yep, I have zero ISPs in my country supporting IPv6 AFAIK. Data
| centers support it, but nothing for home connections.
|
| Major ISP performed some IPv6 tests. In 2012. No news since
| then.
|
| Funny thing is that despite all IPv4 "shortage" I have white
| IPv4 right now and can accept connections. Also it's almost
| static, unless I'd turn off my modem for a prolonged period of
| time, it won't change. So no real shortage, it seems.
| BenjiWiebe wrote:
| Just because your ISP has enough IPs for its customers
| doesn't mean that there's no shortage and everybody has
| enough.
|
| I'm behind CGNAT. I set up a wireguard tunnel to a VPS to
| allow inbound connections, but that adds cost, complexity,
| and latency...
| V__ wrote:
| If I remember correctly, one reason for the quick adaption of SSL
| certificates was the combination of Let's Encrypt and Google
| saying it would improve ranking. Why doesn't Google just do the
| same for IPv6? With all the benefits of IPv6, wouldn't Google
| benefit from such a move as well?
| RKearney wrote:
| Their cloud platform doesn't even fully support IPv6, so I
| doubt they would do this before at least getting their own
| public offerings on board.
| safaci2000 wrote:
| I was about to say. Cause they can't figure out IPV6 either.
| Their K8 and VPC networking is still not IPv6 complaint last
| I checked. If you're bored you can get this [extention](https
| ://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ipvfoo/ecanpcehffn...)
| and see just how much of the internet is actually IPv6
| tsimionescu wrote:
| Well, forcing people to use SSL was easy to sell as an
| advantage to end users. IPv6 is irrelevant for end users, so
| it's a much harder sell.
|
| Plus, if the big guys don't adopt IPv6 first, than Google would
| only be hurting their search quality if they demote projects
| using IPv4 only.
| zamadatix wrote:
| Considering Microsoft's update of IPv6
| https://www.arin.net/blog/2019/04/03/microsoft-works-toward-... I
| expected GitHub to get a revamp by now.
|
| If you already have a Linux router consider setting up NAT64,
| then your entire internal network can be single stacked and when
| it comes to IPv4 you'll just NAT like you normally would.
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