[HN Gopher] Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity ...
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Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform
Author : raziel414
Score : 62 points
Date : 2022-02-18 21:53 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| encryptluks2 wrote:
| Makes sense, although there are lot of other "charities" that I'm
| pretty sure have no accountability. I'm guessing this one got
| removed cause it is under the most scrutiny by the public.
| mywittyname wrote:
| Or, it's because the IRS revoked their tax exempt status.
|
| https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=473691474&name=...
|
| Amazon doesn't really get a choice in the matter here.
| TheodolphusRose wrote:
| That's a different and completely unrelated [1] organization
| that happens to have a similar name (Black Lives Matter
| Foundation vs Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation).
|
| [1] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/black-lives-
| mat...
| encryptluks2 wrote:
| Yeah, it seems here that people are just getting confused
| about which organization is actually in charge due to two
| different organizations registering very similar names. I
| wonder if they trademarked the brand Black Lives Matter,
| and if so if they attempted to enforce it to prevent
| something like this from happening, or if they are in fact
| affiliated with each other.
| chiefalchemist wrote:
| I would imagine the Amazon process is fairly automated so
| there's no scrutiny, bias, etc. Fact is, NPOs have certain
| legal/tax. requirements so the data in question shouldn't be a
| problem, unless it is.
|
| Maybe there's a good reason for the disconnect, but two yrs
| running is not a good sign.
| badRNG wrote:
| I can't help but feel like non-profits who name themselves after
| decentralized movements are often a grift. They count on people
| not knowing the difference and giving them money to support a
| cause they may or may not actually contribute to.
|
| I should point out that this isn't universally true, the woman
| who set up the initial "Woman's March" event on Facebook, Teresa
| Shook, founded an organization of the same name, so there is some
| legitimacy to that org's claim there.
| ehtlhkljk wrote:
| alpha_squared wrote:
| Important to note that this is the BLM Global Network Foundation
| (BLMGNF), which is not the same as the grassroots, decentralized
| BLM movement that happened nationally.
|
| If I recall correctly, BLMGNF was formed by a couple folks in Los
| Angeles to give a formal organization the authority and
| organizational weight of what the BLM movement was about. The BLM
| movement, being decentralized and leaderless at the national
| level, mostly rejected BLMGNF speaking for them and being
| recognized as the organization of the movement, but BLMGNF moved
| forward with claiming national leadership regardless.
| ms512 wrote:
| tl;dr: BLM Global Network Foundation (BLMGNF) hasn't disclosed
| where donations have been going and is out of compliance with
| various state's rules for non-profits. Amazon suspended donations
| to BLMGNF until the compliance issue is resolved.
| rvz wrote:
| Exactly. I don't know why everyone including the big tech
| companies fell for the BLM grift so that they could scam their _'
| supporters'_ into taking the money and now running off with their
| donations which was used to buy properties, mansions, etc.
|
| How could they be so gullible?
| thorncorona wrote:
| A lot of people who could have raised this issue were shouted
| at for being racist, anti-black, etc. no matter if their
| concerns were valid.
|
| https://twitter.com/Sean_Kev/status/1488195035418013701
| cwkoss wrote:
| Sean Kevin Campbell's article was some great investigative
| journalism. Highly recommend reading to anyone interested in
| deeper knowledge about this controversy. I've seen several
| pundits (on "both" sides) regurgitate his work inaccurately,
| so think reading his article directly is important.
|
| (article linked in that tweet)
|
| https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/01/black-lives-
| matter-f...
| bombcar wrote:
| Because they had a problem and they wanted a solution. It's
| basically "blackwashing" and BLMGNF (good night funds?) was
| there to "sell" them the solution to a problem they were
| facing.
|
| There's basically zero desire to actually _really work_ on any
| problem that isn 't related to their stock portfolio, so they
| jump at it and post some PR and then they're done.
|
| Happens time and time again.
| [deleted]
| quinnjh wrote:
| I live in portland and amazon suggested that i buy clippers,
| laser pointers, and balaclavas during the riots. Also made their
| banner says BLM for two or so weeks
| HWR_14 wrote:
| The BLM movement and the BLM organization are different. Much the
| same way that Americans will all claim to be democrats but less
| than half will claim to be Democrats.
| charcircuit wrote:
| >Much the same way that Americans will all claim to be
| democrats
|
| I'm not a democrat and I'm American.
| DoctorOW wrote:
| What's wrong with democracy?
| marpstar wrote:
| Not answering your question, but making sure the
| clarification is made that we (in the USA) do not live in a
| Democracy. We live in a Constitutional Republic.
|
| I know, I know... some people cringe when someone points
| this out, but it's true.
| _kst_ wrote:
| It depends on how you define "democracy".
|
| I'm not inclined to participate in an argument about it
| here, but there are valid points of view other than the
| one you assert.
| _justinfunk wrote:
| paisawalla wrote:
| Purports to be about consent of the governed, will of the
| people, popular rule etc. In reality, you can't even
| prevent your own children from being taught as truth some
| pseudomoral garbage that maybe 5-10% of the population
| believes. Basically it transfers power to the most
| motivated actors, almost regardless of their popularity.
| charcircuit wrote:
| It requires people to be educated about what they are
| voting on. Having people spend time educating themselves
| wastes a lot of societal time. Voting doesn't scale well so
| people end up delegating their votes to someone else who
| usually doesn't have the same exact beliefs and may vote
| different than themselves. It turns into a popularity
| contest. The process of making decisions can be slow.
| thorncorona wrote:
| In the eyes of most people they are the same. Using obvious
| words in subtle ways makes it hard to people to differentiate.
|
| Just as Republicans don't claim to be democrats, defund the
| police means removing all funding for police, etc.
| elil17 wrote:
| OP phrased that weirdly (and apparently doesn't know that no
| one calls themselves a small d democrat - just not a phrase
| normal people use).
|
| The point though, is that most people who support ending
| police brutality know that BLM Global Network Foundation is
| mismanaged. There are many other groups doing work to fight
| against police brutality which have more support from people
| involved in that movement.
| plzdontcancel wrote:
| rvz wrote:
| Well, it seems this _' confusion'_ has tricked even the biggest
| companies to not only _' show support'_ for the movement with
| their now pointless banners, but also donate to the
| organisation which basically failed to be held accountable for
| the missing $60M that was spent on properties.
|
| They supported both, including the _' Black Lives Matter Global
| Network Foundation'_.
|
| So they were supporting fraudsters all this time?
| syshum wrote:
| So if I claim to be neither democrat nor Democrat I am not
| American?
| joebob42 wrote:
| I think in this instance "democrat" is being used to mean
| "supporter of democracy".
|
| I don't think you aren't an American if you aren't a
| supporter of democracy, per se, but I do think the principle
| is a fairly core tenet of what it is, or at least is supposed
| to be, to be "American". I would be unsurprised if other
| people said you were un-American for feeling this way.
| syshum wrote:
| Sorry no, democracy is not a core tenant of America... Core
| tenant's of America's founding where Individual rights and
| self governance.
|
| The Founders took great pains to LIMIT the amount of
| democracy in our system, because they understood the
| problems with democracy. The house of Representatives was
| the only democratically elected part of the government for
| a reason. We ignored them at our own peril..
| Traster wrote:
| Yes, a core te _net_ of the USA was to limit how much
| democracy black people, poor people and women could have.
| It 's much worse now.... apparently.
| syshum wrote:
| Wow, you really pulled the racism card... wow..
|
| You clearly have a very basic understanding of American
| history if you believe that. It is also absurd to link
| anything i said to slavery, once you pull that card it is
| clear you have no logical foundation to debate my
| statement thus all you can do is scream racism in to the
| void in the hope that no one sees the underlying fallacy.
|
| It works often so A for effort.
| zdragnar wrote:
| I don't know of any American who claims to be a democrat
| without also claiming to be a Democrat; the terms are
| synonymous with the political party in the US.
| DoctorOW wrote:
| While the literal term isn't used the way the parent
| describes I believe that their comment is trying to
| communicate "While only half of Americans describe themselves
| as Democrats, most Americans would say they're "an advocate
| or supporter of democracy" (the definition of a democrat).
| HWR_14 wrote:
| Thank you for clarifying my post. That is indeed what what
| I meant.
| guynamedloren wrote:
| Perhaps they meant: Americans will all claim to be
| democratic*
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