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Ask HN: Why is MS Teams so slow, do devs test Teams on less
powerful machines?
I have a laptop with an i5 processor and 8G of RAM. Hard drive is
an SSD. It sometimes takes me a full minute and a half to get Teams
open and ready to join a meeting. It is driving me crazy.
Author : mmsimanga
Score : 68 points
Date : 2022-02-17 20:35 UTC (2 hours ago)
| faebi wrote:
| Interestingly, the interaction latency goes down from 1-2 seconds
| to near instant when I switch from the native Mac App to the web
| version with Firefox Nightly. I am using a fancy fast M1 Pro.
| It's ridiculous that Firefox is faster and not slower than their
| own app.
| shrimp_emoji wrote:
| Not only slow, but the most buggy IM I've ever used. (Both web
| and native.)
|
| We have a decades-long history of IM platforms, and I've never
| seen one where messages were randomly deleted from DM history or
| tell me "we lost your picture; please attach it again" when
| editing a message (extra fun when it was a temporary snippet from
| the clipboard[0]).
|
| 0: Extra extra fun considering Windows doesn't have clipboard
| history like Linux DEs have for years.
| david_allison wrote:
| > Extra extra fun considering Windows doesn't have clipboard
| history like Linux DEs have for years.
|
| Windows + V allows you to enable it.
| sangupta wrote:
| I had a similar issue but with an i9/16GB RAM/SSD. Teams would
| open really slow, hang a lot and the best, drop off meetings in
| between as soon as I activated other applications. I use
| Slack/Outlook a lot and this aggravated the problem. Solution was
| to upgrade to latest Macbook with 32GB RAM. It now runs though I
| still have issues - just the audio goes out between meetings. I
| was lucky to have the work laptop upgraded.
|
| In short, Teams is crap. My daughter uses Google Meet at school
| and its so fast/fun/easy on an old 8GB laptop.
| jug wrote:
| Yes, it's because it's shipping with an entire web browser.
| Although I agree with others here this is only part of the
| problems with MS Teams. It's not a very fun application to use,
| honestly. Everything is sluggish and many UI decisions are not
| great.
|
| But at least the performance should get better some day.
| Microsoft has now made the "personal" edition of Teams that is
| shipping with Windows 11 into one that instead of shipping a
| browser, uses Edge as a renderer (WebView2). Since that's
| probably already cached in RAM anyway, it launches near instantly
| and consumes much less RAM than the clunky edition that doesn't
| share resources with anything else.
|
| However, MS Teams for Business still does not exist in such an
| edition although I assume they are working on it.
| tehbeard wrote:
| > But at least the performance should get better some day.
| Microsoft has now made the "personal" edition of Teams that is
| shipping with Windows 11 into one that instead of shipping a
| browser, uses Edge as a renderer (WebView2)
|
| That's not shipping an entire browser. That's shipping an
| entire bloody OS! (edge is still stupidly deeply integrated,
| and I'd bet there's still old ie MSHTML gubbins in there for
| the enterprise crowd to cling to.)
| Analemma_ wrote:
| "It's slow because it's Electron" is a lousy excuse: Discord is
| an Electron app with more or less the same purpose and it's
| perfectly snappy. Hell, Microsoft's own VSCode is considered
| the gold standard of how to do Electron apps well. It's fast as
| shit, assuming you're not opening huge files. It baffles me
| that the Teams org isn't begging the VSCode org for some of
| their performance mojo.
| brimble wrote:
| Discord's slow and heavy and glitches or crashes constantly.
| My group of friends landed on it for some activities over the
| pandemic, because most of the other options were on-balance
| worse for what we needed, but it's heavy and not high-
| quality.
| tehbeard wrote:
| ... Ok I have to know what else is running on your PC
| because aside from needing to kick it once or twice when
| there was a major outage to get back in, it's been smooth.
| sirwhinesalot wrote:
| I wouldn't call Discord snappy, not even close, Telegram is
| way snappier for example... But Teams is certainly on another
| league (for the worse).
|
| VSCode isn't that snappy either but it's decent enough. If
| every Electron app was like that "It's slow because it's
| Electron" wouldn't be such a meme.
| musicale wrote:
| VSCode is clunky but almost usable. I like that it's
| multiplatform, free, and relatively capable, but I dislike
| its clunky and very non-snappy user experience.
|
| VSCode really needs better competition than clunky Java
| IDEs from the likes of JetBrains or Eclipse or platform-
| specific native IDEs like Xcode.
| sirwhinesalot wrote:
| Xcode is abysmal, I would honestly feel sorry for Apple
| devs if not for how much money they make. Last time I
| used it even autocompletion was broken (it would write
| the text 1 character ahead).
|
| But yeah there's clearly room for a snappier LSP-based
| editor, preferably one with a toolbar.
| iqanq wrote:
| Discord is snappy? Is this the level of desktop applications
| in 2022? :P
| [deleted]
| JJMcJ wrote:
| Everything MSFT produces seems terribly slow.
|
| Windows design issues?
|
| Coding standards incentivize slow code?
|
| Something I'm missing completely?
| 0xbadc0de5 wrote:
| Most likely because the Teams developing it are either not
| competent or not empowered to improve it. Probably some
| combination of the two.
|
| I've used it daily for years and it's never been a good
| experience - desktop, mobile, web (FF, Chrome, Brave)... they are
| all trash. Although as others have pointed out, it has gotten
| noticeably worse over the last year.
| apostle36 wrote:
| Jitsi is the best. Open source and free but all the dinosaurs use
| teams because it belongs to micro$oft. I installed it today
| because a client is using it and surprise: it works only with
| Google Chrome and Edge! No Firefox, no Brave.
| netizen-936824 wrote:
| Since when does teams not work on Firefox? I've been using team
| running in Firefox for ages
| gnicholas wrote:
| I think GP was talking about jitsi, not teams. I used teams
| in Brave just today, can confirm it works.
| GuB-42 wrote:
| Last time I tried, voice calls were unsupported.
| Tade0 wrote:
| The other day, while trying to build a docker image from inside a
| VM running Ubuntu(temporary setup due to issues with getting a
| Docker Desktop license), I had a moment to pause and reflect on
| how no matter how fast hardware becomes, humanity always manages
| to make it slow.
|
| The reason for this is related to the way development of browser-
| based applications (be it Electron apps or just web apps) is
| scaled.
|
| In order to make 20+ people work on such a project effectively
| you need loose coupling, so the codebase is divided into those
| small, independent modules - each making its own API calls.
|
| And herein lies the crux of the issue. Chrome/Chromium/Electron
| etc. currently have a hard limit of 6 HTTP requests being
| processed at any given moment - the rest is queued(or "stalled").
|
| Notice how weirdly slow is gmail to load? It's making a total of
| 200+ requests. No matter the network bandwidth that's going to
| take a while.
|
| Same goes for banking apps, or any kind of back office
| application.
|
| As usual, in order to make development faster they're making the
| app slower.
| wooptoo wrote:
| Teams is not meant to be good, friendly or performant. Teams is
| meant to check boxes in executive meetings, and to beat the
| competition's price when purchased in bulk.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| you forgot "spy on you"
| g8oz wrote:
| I assume you mean Viva Insights...I'm curious as to what
| managers can see about your activities when that is enabled.
| The euphemism is "Organisational productivity reporting".
| atonse wrote:
| I can't express how much I hate teams, and two years into a
| remote work revolution, they honestly don't have any excuse.
|
| My teams client is CONSTANTLY confused about this "work account
| home account" garbage. Holy crap Batman it's a disaster.
|
| Clicking on teams links causes my teams client to freeze up with
| a blank screen sometimes for minutes. So I've been late to many
| meetings because the Teams client just doesn't connect.
|
| I'm yet to hear a SINGLE instance of someone using teams other
| than "we already bought it" or "we have some strategic
| partnership with MS, so we have to use it" - some BS that's
| shoved down people's throats.
|
| The multi-account stuff is something slack and discord got right
| from day one. And years into it, MS still hasn't figured this
| out. It's appalling how bad Teams is, years later.
|
| Anytime I see a teams link in a calendar event, I groan loudly.
| sideshowb wrote:
| Aaaah yes you just reminded me I have similar issues switching
| between teams in different organizations.
|
| This thread is much needed therapy. Teams is truly awful on so
| many levels.
| JamesAdir wrote:
| +1 for that. Recently in W10 MS is requiring to login with your
| personal account only and not a work account to the apps store.
| Can't get the logic behind that.
| nanidin wrote:
| MS Teams is slow because it is a loss leader that exists so that
| decision makers can tick off the "company wide instant messaging
| that meets regulatory data retention requirements" box in the
| process of paying for an Office package.
|
| No one is paying for Teams intentionally, so MS will not see any
| return on investment in improvements (except for the eventual
| retention problems that come up when people finally decide
| they've had enough.)
| pjmlp wrote:
| I just use the Web version, it works good enough.
| hbn wrote:
| At my company, the developers are all on fairly powerful MacBook
| Pros, and everyone else in the company has Windows laptops (I
| think generally Surface devices)
|
| For the developers, Teams works... as good as Teams can. So not
| great, but it works most of the time (for me, anyway). For
| everyone else though, I hear nothing but issues. Constantly
| having to restart to make Teams work. And again, this is on
| Surface devices, so Microsoft is making the app, the OS, and the
| hardware!
|
| Even aside from the performance, I just think Teams is laid out
| horribly and it stifles communication. The redundancy between
| chats, group chats, and Teams channels (which are like a message
| board?) is just bizarre and constantly causes confusion. It's so
| much worse than Slack (which we used to use, and I used at a
| previous job) where all communication channels are listed along
| the left side, and you didn't have to dig through menus and trees
| of categorization to get to certain places to talk to your
| coworkers. And since Teams channels are sectioned off behind
| another screen from your chats (where you'll probably be most of
| the time), the only way to be aware of when someone posts in one
| of the channels is to turn on notifications for it. Which is very
| annoying!
|
| edit: oh also a recent update made it so when you paste a code
| snippet into the plaintext editor thing (whatever it's called,
| you activate it by typing 3 backticks), it strips all the
| whitespace from the left, meaning you lose all the code
| indentation. Just great
| mxuribe wrote:
| > ...The redundancy between chats, group chats, and Teams
| channels (which are like a message board?) is just bizarre and
| constantly causes confusion...
|
| Oh yeah, I'm with you! I'll admit that Slack's UX and UI is not
| my favorite either, but at least any challenges are in a single
| dimension (not like Teams in multiple, challenging
| dimensions)...Meanwhile Teams' is just awful. I mean, the Teams
| "rooms" (I guess i call them "rooms" because its annoying to
| call them "Teams Sites"?) almost exist like channels/rooms in
| good ol' IRC...but then Teams has channels underneath Teams
| Sites/rooms...?...Plus, if i want to chat with an indiviodual,
| those live in the separate "Chat" area...Ugh! To the valid
| point about slack, at least its all there on the left. I guess
| i could sort of see if there was drastically different
| functionality between Chats and Rooms/Sites...but i dont think
| so. So, why then separate them? As much as i dislike Microsoft
| as an organization overall (for their historic corporate
| behavior), they often don't jhave the worse UX ideas...But for
| Teams, ugh!
|
| I'm gpoing to pivot a little to matrix, and specifically the
| Element client...which is the most popular matrix web client.
| I'm an admitted matrix fanboy, so clearly i'm biased...but even
| Element has areas that are simpler for me to comprehend and
| utilize...Also, Element in my mind is still waaaaay early in
| its evolution, and still very much far from their UX being
| topnotch. But even in Element's infancy is leaps abovew what
| Teams is now after several years. I acknowledge that Teams
| "does more" (like embedding Office software, etc.)...and of
| course the underlying matrix protocol is NOT limited to
| chat...But, wow, is Teams sucky.
| easton wrote:
| Teams is bad, but Element/Matrix is the only chat app I've
| used in maybe 10 years (outside of SMS) where I miss
| messages. I get a notification, want to read the entire
| message, open the app and it isn't there. I'm 99% sure it
| didn't get deleted, but I'll never know what it said. And
| since iOS makes the notification go away when you tap it, I
| can't even see what it was.
|
| Discord should just sell a white label version or start a
| subsidiary to sell to enterprise. Slack will probably get
| smushed by Salesforce, and short of Satya Nadella's personal
| laptop bursting into flames because of Teams, I doubt they'll
| slim down the client.
| _rutinerad wrote:
| You can see previous notifications by swiping up on the
| lock screen.
| ashton314 wrote:
| Teams is like the most developer-hostile piece of burning
| rubbish that I have ever had the misfortune to have to use.
| Sending little code snippets is such an important part of
| development. If a company has mandated Teams for all
| communications, you know they cannot be "developer friendly"--
| some management level is making decisions about what the
| engineers need.
|
| While we're bashing Teams--why are their notifications some
| awful custom window that doesn't respect your OS notification
| settings?!??!
| month13 wrote:
| Teams at least is slightly better than Skype For Business,
| which would hijack copy paste to put the sender's name and
| for some reason insert zero-width characters between every
| space.
| sli wrote:
| We used Teams at my last job. It was unpopular and we didn't
| use it a whole lot since the building was small enough that we
| could just... ya know, yell.
|
| Then MS introduced that weird semi-forced threaded discussion
| feature that make following conversations a nightmare and
| nobody, not a single person in the whole company, sent a
| message over Teams ever again. We kept running it to appear
| online, but literally nobody _actually_ used it.
|
| We did spend a fair amount of downtime talking about how much
| we hated Teams, though. And Azure DevOps. More than one person
| there considered it some of the worst software they've ever
| used, and they're right. It was a horrendous mess or awful UX
| (but tons and tons of charts for the managers to value far too
| highly).
|
| That was a year and a half ago or so, maybe it's better now.
| But at the time, having switched to that from Gitlab, it was
| atrocious and we avoided it as much as we could.
| m8s wrote:
| I first had the pleasure of using Teams in 2016 or 2017, I
| forget exactly when, and at the time they didn't have
| accessibility features. None. You couldn't even increase the
| text size in the app. It was nigh unusable then. I left for a
| different job and within a year, Teams again reared its ugly
| head. I've thankfully moved on from that job too.
|
| Whatever cost savings Teams affords, the difference is more
| than lost in confusion, miscommunication, and frustration
| across the workplace.
|
| May I never have to use it again.
|
| Interestingly, my team now uses Discord for communication and
| we really love it.
| kingosticks wrote:
| The code formatting is so badly broken now. It simply cannot
| have been tested. i just can't believe they want it to work
| like that. i also really hate that copy and pasting into a chat
| preserves the styling/formatting of the original. why would i
| want that? and the search... oh the search!
| rightbyte wrote:
| Wait until you discover that copy and pasting from the chat
| might introduce no-break Unicode spaces that looks like
| spaces in most diff tools! I did the hard way.
| EMM_386 wrote:
| > The redundancy between chats, group chats, and Teams channels
| (which are like a message board?) is just bizarre
|
| It really is, why do I get notifications in chat sometimes and
| not the Teams room that everyone is a part of?
|
| Why are people referencing others in these chat channels when
| that's what we discuss in the Teams channels?
|
| And I'm a senior software engineer!
| [deleted]
| smcleod wrote:
| MS Teams is honestly one of the worst pieces of software I've had
| to use in my 17~ years in tech, it's slow, bloated (thanks in
| part to Electron) and the UX is absolutely horrendous.
| outworlder wrote:
| M1-based Macs: runs flawlessly, UX considerations aside.
|
| Older Intel Macs (where Zoom, Chime and Google Meet runs fine):
| can't even share a screen. Turning off GPU accelerations may or
| may not help.
| ipython wrote:
| Have they released an ARM native version of the client? I find
| the web version superior on my M1 Mac since last I checked the
| native client was intel only
| kube-system wrote:
| The only software that stresses my M1 more than Teams is when I
| ran some benchmark software. I've had a couple crashes recently
| too :(
| obtino wrote:
| Half the reason it's bad is because it uses SharePoint as the
| back-end. Another awful product that Microsoft tries to sustain.
| marknote wrote:
| Similar experience on MacBook Pro m1. Sometimes it uses more than
| 2g ram. Crazy.
| [deleted]
| jguzmanjr wrote:
| It's Microsoft. What else did you expect ?
| aliswe wrote:
| Some software is really nice though, their todo app for example
| (im serious)
| vymague wrote:
| I guess the Wunderlist team is more competent than their
| Teams one.
| randomsearch wrote:
| Yep they've managed to make a product that is only a little
| bit worse than Wunderlist, after buying Wunderlist
| outside1234 wrote:
| What todo app? This one? https://to-do.office.com/tasks/today
| spaetzleesser wrote:
| I feel Teams is thrown together by a few interns that are trying
| out Scrum to be "agile". Every few days a button moves to another
| place or some weird bug is introduced. The latest is that the
| left and right cursor keys stop working after a while. Makes me
| wonder what they are doing to have such issues and not notice and
| why isn't that fixed quickly? Search is basically useless. The
| built-in wiki isn't searchable at all. It''s just all out
| terrible.
|
| The only thing that works well is calls, voice and video. I am
| sure they have plans to destroy that too :-)
| vnxli wrote:
| the ironic thing with Teams is that the one thing on the label -
| managing teams- is AWFUL. I'm sure company culture comes into
| this, but for an app that sells itself on the idea that it makes
| little teams for people to join, it's awful at letting you manage
| the teams. i'm a member of like 80 some odd teams and maybe 3 of
| them give updates. All the rest are silent.
|
| it's a disaster. it's fine for voice/video calls, but it's slow
| and not fun to use in the app on my dev machine (i7/32GB RAM)
| rayiner wrote:
| I strongly suspect Microsoft has trouble getting decent
| developers to work on Office. There is no other explanation for
| why their new stuff is such a regression from the old stuff. New
| Outlook, for example, is a joke. It's a facelift of Oulook for
| Mac and Windows, but for some reason doesn't have tasks, which
| Outlook has had forever. Instead it opens up the web version of
| MS Todo. New OneNote has been out for years and again has a
| fraction of the features of Outlook 2016.
| urbandw311er wrote:
| MacOS or Windows?
| matthall28 wrote:
| I am upgrading from an 8GB M1 Macbook Air to a 16GB M1 Max
| Macbook Pro just because Teams makes my laptop unusable
| herbturbo wrote:
| It is so cathartic to read this thread and know I am not alone in
| my disdain for this garbage product. I also got force-updated to
| the new and improved Outlook today which now looks much worse. I
| love my job but I hate the infusion of Microsoft's mediocrity
| into my life.
| kzrdude wrote:
| The only reason I liked teams was that I had to use "Skype for
| Business" before it, and it was even more rubbish
| sideshowb wrote:
| That's yet another weird combination isn't it: teams, Skype,
| Skype for business, 3 calling products from the same company
| and still not compatible?
| alkonaut wrote:
| I have a few issues in teams (keyboard nav in input text, copy
| paste some times failing, editing pre/code blocks stinks, images
| not opening etc).
|
| Performance feels perfectly acceptable. It's by no means snappy
| but it's not something I wish the Teams devs should focus on
| instead of other features and bug fixes.
|
| I have never had it take more than a couple of seconds to start,
| seen no crashes, find audio and video working 100% (at least as
| good as zoom, for example).
|
| You probably want to get a log of what takes time at startup (if
| that's possible). That's not normal.
| JamesAdir wrote:
| I still can't figure out what MS want me to use. with office 365
| I can get Teams, Yammer and Skype for business. Why not have one
| product for like Zoom that clearly works out for consumers and
| business a like.
| anonymousiam wrote:
| I doubt anyone would be using Teams if it had not been produced
| by Microsoft. It has so many shortcomings that I know I will miss
| some, but here's a gripe list anyway:
|
| 1) Echo cancellation. This is a solved problem and pretty much
| every other conferencing app does it right. Microsoft probably
| rolled their own which is why it does not work right.
|
| 2) I have Teams installed on my desktop, Android phone, and iPad.
| (Unfortunately, my company wants us to use it.) Regardless of the
| notification settings in the apps, if I was on the desktop but
| switched my KVM away, my phone and iPad will not notify me of
| incoming Teams calls, messages, etc.
|
| 3) Editing a document using the collaborative environment is
| painfully broken. Sometimes it will take many seconds to register
| a keystroke (on a gigabit-class CONUS connection). Sometimes
| edits will disappear completely, or sometimes just temporarily.
| Change tracking doesn't work right. Google Docs had collaborative
| editing perfected over 10 years ago.
|
| 4) Moving files in/out of Teams "Folders" can be painfully slow.
|
| 5) Interoperability between the desktop Teams app and
| govcloud/non-govcloud users is hosed, but it seems to work fine
| on phones and tablets. Desktop users must access meetings via
| browser if their "home" Teams account govcloud flavor does not
| match that of the meeting originator, but no such restrictions
| exist on phones & tablets. WTF?
|
| 6) The Linux desktop version of Teams does not operate with
| govcloud at all.
|
| 7) Depending on the platform, users cannot share their desktop
| when using the browser-based version. Chrome actually supports
| this better than Edge.
| rightbyte wrote:
| > 1) Echo cancellation. This is a solved problem and pretty
| much every other conferencing app does it right. Microsoft
| probably rolled their own which is why it does not work right.
|
| I don't know if Teams is worse or not, but my take is that it
| is impossible to do right for conversations since it introduces
| too much lag. I sincerely prefer echoes. Old time phones worked
| just fine and it felt like you stood next to the person you
| were speaking too instead of speaking through some filter group
| delay.
| ardit33 wrote:
| Microsoft doesn't pay their devs. that well, that's why. With
| second rate engineers and designers, you are going to get second
| rate products.
| gnicholas wrote:
| The Mac application has never worked well for me -- video fails
| often. It is very reliable in one respect: every time I open it,
| it installs itself in my Login Items, no matter how many times I
| have previously removed it.
|
| I now use the web app exclusively, both because it works better
| (at all) and because it doesn't act like malware.
| randomsearch wrote:
| Had a call today. Shortly beforehand I realised it was on Teams
| and immediately began closing down other apps on my laptop. I
| paused for a moment and thought about how insane it was that i
| was automatically freeing up resources to cope with Teams. It's
| almost the only app that causes my fan to run. It must be so
| frustrating for coders on that product, surely everyone wants to
| craft something great.
| austincheney wrote:
| > I have a laptop with
|
| Hardware will never solve for poorly written software by people
| who don't know what they are doing. This isn't a technology
| failure. It's a leadership failure.
| aliswe wrote:
| Its very annoying.
|
| The SSO is so bad as well - the popup telling you to login
| doesn't have a window title either, or lock to the teams window,
| so it comes across as a completely anonymous prompt. Phishing
| attack anyone?
|
| Closing the login prompt only opens it again. I hope youre not
| offline and on mobile - prompt will open, close, open, close,
| tens of times per second.
|
| And lets not forget the dark pattern of soft forcing me to login
| on Windows with a Microsoft account after I successfully logged
| in. Need to click that text link - the CTA and primary button
| logs your machine in!
|
| Start writing a message and then choose a message to reply to.
| Voila, reply quote comes after the message.
|
| Wysiwyg constantly gets formatting wrong, sometimes without
| possibility to restore it by deleting text. Its like it gets
| stuck in a table or wonky css or something.
|
| Deletes newlines of pasted text.
|
| Click a chat that you havent opened in a while and quickly start
| typing while its loading. Your text will come out garbled as the
| input gets selected and the text position marker reset to 0 after
| finished loading the history.
|
| Wanna send an image from slack, to teams? Well you will need to
| either take a a screenshot or download it - Teams doesnt
| understand the clipboard if you right click and copy the file.
|
| Neither does copying an image from Teams paste into either Slack
| or Paint. (99% sure on that last one)
|
| Dont try calling someone when youre already being called on
| mobile. The app wont let you call, but it fails to tell you that
| someone is in fact calling you.
|
| If you try sending a voice message when on a call, even when
| muted, the app bugs out.
|
| I guess theres more to report if only someone would seem to care
| about the application.
| sebow wrote:
| Element, Jitsi, even Threema business... Hell even Telegram has
| way more usable (and dare i say one of the best records in terms
| of stability of cross-platform clients along the years).
|
| Now i get why in a company environment one wouldn't use free
| services from matrix/discord or telegram, but at the same time
| there are self-hosted options or cloud ones that are relatively
| cheap and still way better than MS/Zoom.A company choosing a
| service because of promotional plans from big corporations is not
| a good deal, it's a red flag.
| tentacleuno wrote:
| > ... Hell even Telegram
|
| Telegram's UX blows Element out of the water for me. IME,
| Element is slow, buggy, and most of the time just refuses to
| launch telling me I'm "offline" (a quick peek at Developer
| Tools shows it is connecting to the home-server fine). I always
| groan when I have to open Element to do something. Telegram's
| UX is amazing.
| laughingpine wrote:
| Not that this will help at all, but from my experience it really
| seems like the product has degraded in quality over the last few
| years.
|
| Originally we only had a few folks using Teams, and the client
| was pretty snappy and just seemed to work. Then over time more
| features were added, and things started breaking.
|
| For example:
|
| On my desktop client, images will not load when clicked unless
| you back out of a conversation then come back in and click the
| image. This is not something I experience on the web client. Also
| on the desktop client, I cannot for the life of me do formatting
| any more. Bullet or numbered lists are out!
|
| The web client seems to work better for me, but will start to
| chug near the end of the day, which requires a quick reload of
| the app.
| sirwhinesalot wrote:
| One of the most awful pieces of software I've ever had the
| displeasure to use. It's decent for calls, that's the only
| positive I can name.
|
| The chat experience is by far the worst I've ever had to deal
| with:
|
| - My sidebar is riddled with old meetings chats nobody cares
| about anymore. Makes it hard to find actual important direct
| conversations with people.
|
| - The text editor is absolute jank, I've yet to figure out how to
| get out of a quote after starting one, lists constantly glitch
| out, it keeps "bold/italic" state like office but with no easy
| way to remove it.
|
| - Because it connects to sharepoint you get to enjoy all the
| lovely permission bullshit when trying to share a simple freaking
| file. Half the time I post a picture it glitches out for me and I
| can no longer see it. Or I can see it but not if I make it
| fullscreen.
|
| Honestly the abysmal performance is just the cherry on top...
| sideshowb wrote:
| +1 there's no way to mark all chat as read is there. I dread
| the day I miss an important message because it's hidden amid
| junk I don't want to open.
| wiredfool wrote:
| I have an external monitor with USB audio, but no volume in
| macos there because reasons. It's hooked up to a hardware amp
| with a real hardware volume control. Every. Single. Teams. Call
| has a dialog box saying I might not be able to hear because I'm
| at 0 volume. And it comes back every single time the window
| maximizes.
|
| If I share a window on one screen, the teams call carefully
| placed on the other monitor helpfully minimizes to a floating
| window in front of what I'm trying to share. So then I have to
| re-maximize because I sometimes like to see the reactions when
| I'm sharing stuff.
|
| One person I call, I can't. He has to call me back. Every Time.
|
| It's not the worst video chat I've used. That's either skype or
| any of the pre-facetime real-video things that never really
| worked. But it's not good either.
| calmoo wrote:
| Teams was a not-insignificant reason for leaving my last
| company. My day to day stress levels immediately plummeted
| after going back to using Slack. People say Slack is terrible,
| but I tell them go to use Teams and then come back to me. It is
| by far the biggest dumpster fire software I've had the
| displeasure of using. It's the only software that has made me
| consistently angry. All of the issues you described I have
| experienced. One of the most plaguing issues was actually
| viewing new messages. When clicking a channel to view new
| messages, 50% of the time the screen would be blank and I would
| have to click away and back to render the chat.
| sirwhinesalot wrote:
| That blank screen issue has happened to me as well. The
| pandemic massively increased how much I needed to interact
| with Microsoft Teams, and let me tell you, it did not make me
| happy. Not one bit. Perhaps it's a giant ploy by Microsoft to
| try and get people to hate remote work.
|
| How do you screw up a chat program this badly?
| globular-toast wrote:
| The chat is so bad people end up @ing the whole team _in the
| team channel_ just to get people to see it. It fails at its
| most basic purpose.
|
| There are seemingly countless different ways to start a chat.
| You could start a thread in a channel (or is it team?), or just
| start a new channel/team, or invite people to a group chat.
| There ends up being a forever growing list of
| chats/rooms/whatever because people can't find the previous one
| so just make a new one.
|
| People are forever accidentally starting a new thread instead
| of replying to the current thread. Most stupid UI ever. I find
| 99% of the time people just want flat chat and find whatever
| the easiest way to get that is.
|
| And why the hell do you need to give me a top level
| notification that won't go away when someone "reacts" to the
| thing I've just said in the chat I'm still viewing?!
|
| Oh, and the random breakages. It seems every other week they
| break code pasting. Currently viewing images is broken for me.
| I just have to keep retrying until on the tenth time it finally
| works.
| winkeltripel wrote:
| Ex office dev here. Actual dev work is done on i9 workstations
| running 64 gb of ram, and usually located very near an Azure data
| center, regardless of where the dev works. The result is that
| it's fast for us.
|
| Everyone knows that it runs like poop, but there are other
| priorities, and no performance regression tests.
| roebk wrote:
| What has been broken for months is viewing images. When I click
| the thumbnail to enlarge it, the image viewer appears but the
| image doesn't load. Rinse and repeat 3/4 times and I can
| eventually see the image. Other members of my team experience the
| problem. I cannot fathom why MS has not prioritised that bug fix.
|
| One colleague who's on a modern desktop with an i7 and 32GB of
| ram waits the upwards of 20 seconds to load a conversation.
|
| In the past couple of years Teams has sores in popularity and
| perhaps the dev work has been focused on scaling. It's clear to
| me MS need to allocate some developer for getting the
| fundamentals right.
| INTPenis wrote:
| Sounds like something is wrong with your setup.
|
| I'm using the Teams Electron app on a Ryzen 5 with 16G RAM and
| nvme disk, I can't complain about load times at least.
|
| I just wish it had better bluetooth audio support and wayland
| screen sharing on Linux. Some day maybe.
|
| The most positive thing about Teams is that we finally have an
| app that EVERYONE uses. From my co-workers, to vendors, to
| clients. Monopoly is great when it allows me to connect with
| people easily.
| sawmurai wrote:
| Teams is what made me turn in my windows notebook for a MacBook
| at work. On Mac, it still hangs and is glitchy, but at least I
| can switch chats in less than 2 seconds. And even while having a
| call. Hell, I can even search in the chat history now!
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