[HN Gopher] The Fun Scale (2014)
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The Fun Scale (2014)
Author : brudgers
Score : 55 points
Date : 2022-02-15 18:53 UTC (1 days ago)
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| mym1990 wrote:
| I think a good balance between Type I fun and Type II fun is
| where its at. Type II fun really tickles the curious part of us
| and provides a healthy does of challenge and growth(hopefully).
| Type III fun is great until you're in a stretcher on the way to
| the hospital and no one knows if you're going to make it, at
| which point it ceases to be any type of fun.
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| As a climber, I found this example of type III fun hilarious:
|
| > Offwidths
|
| For those not familiar, they involve shoving part of your body
| into a crack and trying to wriggle your way up. The shoulder/knee
| jammed in may keep you from falling out while also introducing a
| significant chance of getting stuck and needing rescue. Meanwhile
| the majority of your weight outside the crack creates an
| uncomfortable/painful torque.
|
| And yet, there are people who actually _enjoy_ offwidth climbing.
| Personally I 've enjoyed the challenge, but the ones I've climbed
| has led to days of pain afterwards. There's still an allure to
| attempting them though.
| up_and_up wrote:
| Theres a great documentary about Offwidth climbing for the
| uninitiated (trailer for Wide Boyz):
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m3QzIibtsw
| hprotagonist wrote:
| This is a long time favorite post of mine. Kelly Cordes is rad.
|
| As alluded to at the end of this, the real bastard about the fun
| scale is that if you live in type II fun long enough, the things
| you do for type II fun become type I fun.
|
| ... and that's how people wind up thinking ultras are a great
| idea, kids!
| jhickok wrote:
| Agreed. I started backpacking with my brother a few years ago
| and it was miserable the first few times because there were so
| many things that we were anxious about, we bad with, or just
| didn't know to do. For example, we bought heavy waterproof gear
| and learned quickly there is no avoiding getting wet, so might
| as well trade in the waterproofing for fast-drying. Now we can
| open up a little and have a little fun in the rain. Same with
| coffee. We used to lug gear around to make piping hot coffee,
| now we heat up a little water and mix in a little instant and
| we get 75% of the benefit with very little overhead.
| zarq wrote:
| Well see you were just optimizing for the wrong things. You
| thought avoiding wet was the thing to optimize for, but now,
| with experience, you find other things are more important to
| you and you aim at optimizing those. What things are wrong
| and right vary by person and by purpose (and probably by
| time, too).
| molsongolden wrote:
| Where do you bucket: "wow this is so miserable, lol, this is
| great" while doing the thing?
|
| I wrote out and deleted a comment about this being a subset of
| Type II but maybe it's just a damaged person's Type I...
| beardedetim wrote:
| My body being in pain and my brain enjoying working the body
| are not at odds with each other.
|
| In my experience trying to become an ultra runner, its not
| that I enjoy the pain. I enjoy the workout. I enjoy the run
| while my body is in pain, not that I enjoy the pain itself.
| hprotagonist wrote:
| that sounds like just the normal fact that i summarize as
| "the first half-mile always sucks", which appears to be true
| for any sort of fun.
| intrepidhero wrote:
| When I tell people I swim, they're always like, "Oh wow! That
| is so good for you." But they don't understand, I'm not fast
| or a strong swimmer or anything. It's cold, I struggle with
| my form, I'm slow, I can't kick turn, I'm constantly gasping
| for breath. Swimming is getting in the pool and convincing my
| lizard brain that I'm drowning for an hour. But when I get
| out the endorphins are fantastic, like every cell of my body
| is so relieved to be alive.
|
| At same time, the struggle to overcome that lizard brain
| response to hard physical work is itself enjoyable in a way.
| It wasn't when I started working out but after years it has
| become an acquired taste. If you'll forgive a little
| hyperbole, it's the moment when I look my own mortality in
| eye and say, "you might win eventually, but not today."
| stnmtn wrote:
| This misses one type of fun, Type 4 Fun:
|
| When something is fun in the moment, but in retrospect was not
| fun at all and was awful. The most obvious example is drinking
| too much on a night out, or binge eating.
| cshimmin wrote:
| Interesting, I've never heard Type IV before. I've always heard
| the more succinct definition: Type I -- fun now, fun later,
| Type II -- not fun now, fun later, Type III -- not fun now, not
| fun ever. But now that you mention it, the fun classification
| is obviously just a 2x2 truth table:
| fun now? +------------+------------+
| | Y | N |
| +-----+------------+------------+ fun | Y | Type I
| | Type II | |-----+------------+------------+
| later? | N | Type IV | Type III |
| +-----+------------+------------+
| at_a_remove wrote:
| Clearly, we have to switch the Y/N, both in rows and columns,
| then start our numbering scheme a bit earlier.
|
| Type Null fun is not fun: not now, not later. This puts
| something as being fun now _and_ later at Type III, which
| sounds just like a lot of fun, and so it is; Type I and II
| Funs would be mixed bags. You could even say that Type I +
| Type II = Type III.
| csdvrx wrote:
| > The most obvious example is drinking too much on a night out
|
| I've found interesting (russian meds) and creative (supplements
| like NAC) solutions to that problem on reddit.
|
| Even funnier: they seem to actually work! No headache the next
| day!
| stnmtn wrote:
| I'm not only talking about the hangover (But you've inspired
| me to look into MAC), I'm talking about the things you do
| when too drunk at a bar. Acting like a fool and being
| embarrassed about it, spending a lot of money on drinks only
| to not even remember the next day.. things like that.
|
| Going out to a bar and having the right amount of drinks can
| definitely be Type 1 fun, but when you pass a certain
| threshold of drinks it slides to Type 4
| csdvrx wrote:
| Then a few years later you joke about it with your friends
| and it becomes Type 5 fun :)
| Lammy wrote:
| Like when REI's CEO starts a DEI initiative but then uses it to
| prevent worker organization
| https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/rei-s-union-bust...
| suckmore wrote:
| One of my favourite examples of type III fun: The Apollo 13
| mission. It's just so ludicrous, and it embodies the "not fun in
| the moment and let's not do that again" sentiment.
| brink wrote:
| My friends and I used to dare each other to run around the house
| barefoot in the snow. By the time I was half-way, my feet hurt so
| bad I could barely walk, but it didn't matter, because I saw my
| friend who was running faster than I had ever seen before, that I
| could barely stand up due to laughter.
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