[HN Gopher] Tell HN: I let my 6-year-old daughter design my website
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       Tell HN: I let my 6-year-old daughter design my website
        
       We had some free time during the Chinese New Year vacation (we live
       in Taiwan). So I thought it would be fun to work with my daughter
       on a little web project.  She did all the drawings. I digitized
       them and added them to the page as inline SVGs. Then I wrote the
       code. Nothing fancy -- it's just one HTML page with a few links.
       But I like the end result (yes, I'm 100% biased): https://kevin.tw
       Fun technical facts: the page is entirely self-contained (except
       the favicon). It doesn't have any JavaScript at all. And it weighs
       35Kb total (52Kb if you include the favicon).
        
       Author : kbst
       Score  : 754 points
       Date   : 2022-02-15 10:59 UTC (12 hours ago)
        
       | toto444 wrote:
       | > the page is entirely self-contained (except the favicon)
       | 
       | I have made a self contained page as well a few days ago. This is
       | oddly satisfying. I use pixel art to make the illustrations (it's
       | all CSS though).
       | 
       | If you want to take a look at it :
       | https://drdru.github.io/pixel_art_book/pixel-art(1).html
        
         | merelysounds wrote:
         | I also like self contained pages, especially how they simplify
         | long term maintenance.
         | 
         | For images I do a different hack, I encode images to base64 and
         | embed them via CSS `background:
         | url('data:image/jpeg;base64,/...')`, or img src. The base64
         | encoding is not very efficient though, so I wouldn't do this
         | for larger images.
         | 
         | Example: https://merely.xyz (page background has a subtle
         | "concrete" pattern).
        
         | iply wrote:
         | Excuse my ignorance. What does self-contained mean? I've seen a
         | lot of people mentioning it but haven't been able to find a
         | good source to read from and learn more about
        
           | detaro wrote:
           | That it's _only_ the HTML file, no external files (CSS, JS,
           | images, ...) loaded /needed.
        
         | memalign wrote:
         | I've been working on something similar - embedding pixel art as
         | ASCII with some JavaScript to render it as images:
         | 
         | https://memalign.github.io/m/pceimage/index.html
        
         | burtekd wrote:
         | Pixelart images?? You sir have too much free time on your hands
         | 
         | Love the outcome though
        
           | toto444 wrote:
           | The reason we write software is to save us time :-). The way
           | I do it is :
           | 
           | - download (free) video game tiles
           | 
           | - upload them to https://www.pixelartcss.com/ to turn them
           | into CSS
           | 
           | - use this tool (kindly made by thecodingfox a few days ago)
           | to place the tiles on a grid and create the whole image from
           | the CSS returned by pixelartcss :
           | https://www.thecodingfox.com/interactive/pixel-world-editor/
        
             | burtekd wrote:
             | One word to sum this up: wow
        
         | sandos wrote:
         | I was wondering why the zoom was all wrong and I had to zoom
         | out 2 steps. Turns out thats what happens when you use 125% ui
         | scaling in windows 10.
        
       | zelphirkalt wrote:
       | And it does all that without requesting untrusted third party JS?
       | Amazing! Have my upvote.
        
       | luckystarr wrote:
       | Your coronavirus app misses a significant feature: to select the
       | time frame when doing a logarithmic plot. Without being able to
       | reduce the time to say a few weeks, you can't tell visually if
       | the current situation is exponential or not.
        
       | hmate9 wrote:
       | So good! Websites rarely have personalities any more.
        
       | yreg wrote:
       | Tiny accessibility suggestion:
       | 
       | Add a <span class="sr-only">Kevin Basset</span> into your H1.
       | .sr-only {           position:absolute;           left:-10000px;
       | top:auto;           width:1px;           height:1px;
       | overflow:hidden;         }
       | 
       | Source: https://webaim.org/techniques/css/invisiblecontent/
        
       | mkovach wrote:
       | Awesome stuff.
        
       | davmar wrote:
       | i love it. love love love it.
        
       | mhh__ wrote:
       | I couldn't draw/write that neat until I was probably twice that
       | age.
       | 
       | Nicely done
        
       | m4xm4n wrote:
       | This makes me feel warm and fuzzy again for the old web. This is
       | wonderful!
        
       | cpach wrote:
       | Very nice site. Kudos to your daughter :)
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | sandGorgon wrote:
       | This is awesome and so cool. How did you digitise the drawings?
        
       | jmclnx wrote:
       | Very Nice and unique, I like its design a lot
        
       | dschuessler wrote:
       | That's a great idea and it turned out way better than the
       | headline made me fear. You keep the spirit of her drawings but
       | present it in a really creative way.
       | 
       | I also like the no-bs approach on the technical side. This is
       | indeed a page that does not need a single line of Javascript and
       | it's a testament to what you can do with most basic web
       | technology. I hope this lightness will have its big comeback
       | someday.
        
       | SeanLuke wrote:
       | So... why _does_ it look like a snail?
        
       | mcs_ wrote:
       | Very impressive. Congrats to you both. It is an excellent idea,
       | and it would be nice to see a lot more inspired by this. Thanks
       | for sharing.
        
       | pests wrote:
       | I'm sure you know but you could inline the favicon with a data:
       | uri scheme if you wanted to go completely self-contained
       | 
       | <link href="data:image/x-icon;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAA
       | AAAQEAYAAABPYyMiAAAABmJLR0T///////8JWPfcAAAACXBIWXMAAABIAAAASABGy
       | Ws+AAAAF0lEQVRIx2NgGAWjYBSMglEwCkbBSAcACBAAAeaR9cIAAAAASUVORK5CYI
       | I=" rel="icon" type="image/x-icon" />
        
         | sdfhbdf wrote:
         | I'm pretty sure browsers are gonna request /favicon.ico anyway.
        
         | samatman wrote:
         | I for one 'knew' this but had forgotten, as is so easy with
         | this kind of trivia. These little pro tips are a big part of
         | what keep me coming back to the site, and there's always
         | _someone_ who didn 't know.
         | 
         | The disclaimer is of course polite, I'm just saying thanks.
        
       | zactato wrote:
       | This gives be some strong 90s web vibes. Before the days of
       | html5, javascript frameworks and professional UX designers we
       | used [ImageMap|https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_images_imagema
       | p.asp].
       | 
       | It was maybe not clean and professional but it felt fun. This
       | also feels fun. It's clear that the person that designed this
       | website found joy in the process.
        
       | the_gastropod wrote:
       | Adding to the echo here a bit, but once more: this is so cool!
       | Good on you for sharing something special like this with your
       | daughter. Well done.
        
       | brundolf wrote:
       | Love the idea
       | 
       | Fwiw, it's slightly broken on my iPad; I see the arrow at the
       | bottom pointing to something below the fold but I can't scroll
       | down
        
       | mashaole wrote:
       | I love this it looks different uniqueness is missing in websites
       | as most people use templates which takes away the art and beauty
       | of most websites ...you Should keep her as your design
        
       | bla3 wrote:
       | Looks nice!
       | 
       | In landscape mode on chrome/android, the footer overlaps the main
       | part of the page.
        
         | labster wrote:
         | Landscape on iOS, you can't even see the header nor can you
         | scroll it.
         | 
         | Given the web today, I wonder is anyone still turns their
         | phone. I hold a phone in landscape sometimes, and see 14px of
         | content, a header, a huge cookie choices bar (scroll to see the
         | "decline cookies" button, which leads to a maze of twisty
         | toggles all alike), and an advertising bar at the bottom with a
         | teeny tiny X. Even broken this site's design is better.
        
       | kypro wrote:
       | This is such a cool idea and it looks great. You both did a
       | really good job with this.
       | 
       | On a side note, I miss how creative people used to be with their
       | personal websites. I'm guilty of it too, but everyone's blog is
       | so similar these days. Apart from slight variants in page width
       | and typeface there really isn't much creativity on the web these
       | days. It's nice to see something different.
        
       | pengo wrote:
       | Very cool site!
        
       | kirillzubovsky wrote:
       | This is so awesome. This is what the web used to look like in the
       | 90s when I was a kid learning to program, and it was glorious.
       | Now everything top-10000 websites looks the same. Let's have more
       | daughters design websites!
        
       | nnoitra wrote:
       | Heartwarming and awesome!
        
       | eimrine wrote:
       | Wasn't it possible to do some antialiasing for Firefox? So
       | painful to look at these stairs instead of good old lined pages
       | from notebooks. And only two holes in the page which meant to be
       | a spring notebook is kind of lame. And afaik margins and holes
       | for spring are on different sides of a sheet. And of course it
       | looks sooo ugly on vertical ultrawide because of noticeable
       | incline of buttons (on usual monitor they are not) and the insane
       | height of a notebook page. BTW it will be interesting to see the
       | design of new (also clickable) arrows gathered in stack when this
       | page will contain more links to your works (now it is
       | progressier.com and coronavirus.app and they are not stacking
       | until some third work will appear). So, your daughter has done a
       | great job but you still have some space to grow.
        
         | eimrine wrote:
         | Why am I downvoted so heavily? I tested the website in two
         | computers and have payed my attention to any element in dev
         | console, then wrote down all the issues I have found. If I was
         | rude or something, why not just to tell me?
        
           | dashwehacct wrote:
           | The community guidelines are a pretty good start. If I were
           | to take a guess, your comment came off as more of a complaint
           | than constructive feedback. Your point may have been valid,
           | but the delivery was just "off".
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | dorkwood wrote:
           | Was it necessary to say "of course it looks sooo ugly" before
           | delivering your feedback? This sort of phrasing isn't
           | constructive, and taints the rest of your message.
           | 
           | When I was younger, I thought it was enough that I was
           | speaking the truth, even if I phrased things harshly. I'd
           | think to myself "they should listen to what I have to say,
           | because I'm correct. If they don't like how I phrased it,
           | that's their problem." Unfortunately, humans aren't robots.
           | If you're going to deliver harsh feedback, it's important to
           | do it in a way where the other person is likely to accept the
           | message you're trying to communicate. Otherwise, you may as
           | well have not sent any message at all.
        
         | chrismorgan wrote:
         | Firefox has always done a spectacularly bad job of thin and
         | especially thin slight-angled gradients. I'm not sure quite why
         | they allow it to remain so bad. I wish they would fix it--but
         | my wish is nowhere near great enough to try to figure out how
         | to fix it myself, which would doubtless be an arduous journey.
        
       | danielpettersso wrote:
       | Nice!
       | 
       | Did the same kind of thing a few years ago. When my kids were in
       | to tower defense games.
       | 
       | https://pettersson.casa/td2/
        
         | NoWizards wrote:
         | Came for copper i found gold. got a nice inspiration by seeing
         | this website
        
         | zild3d wrote:
         | haha the crayon styling is great, care to share any
         | implementation details?
        
           | danielpettersso wrote:
           | Thanks, courtesy of my kids 8 years ago. =)
           | 
           | The implementation is nothing fancy at all. The graphics is
           | done with PixiJS, and there is a sprinkle of jQuery and
           | TweenMax for the movement.
        
       | Serverless_joe wrote:
       | This is awesome! You should feel proud dad!
        
       | sg47 wrote:
       | Teaching my daughter HTML, CSS, Github with this -
       | https://methidal.github.io. The poems are her own.
        
       | pcardoso wrote:
       | Very cool.
       | 
       | I also did a small web project with my 9yo son, while my 1yo
       | daughter stayed on my lap.
       | 
       | He mentioned a website name, tiramacacos.com (means take-
       | boogers). I said we could do something about it and in a few
       | minutes we had the artwork and some minimal html to support it.
        
       | Mezzie wrote:
       | She's a better web designer than I was at 6!
       | 
       | Did she design it as a website? It's interesting that she went
       | with drawings/a piece of paper as the default presentation.
       | (Assuming that was her decision).
        
         | vinniecentr wrote:
         | She's a better web designer than I am at age 37 ;-)
        
         | globular-toast wrote:
         | She's 6. Of course she didn't. She drew it on paper and then he
         | made a website that looks like something a 6 year old drew on
         | paper.
        
           | Fnoord wrote:
           | Sure. I mean, she's 6. The point is that she contributed to
           | it, the point is she collaborated with dad to make a website,
           | just like my 4 year old daughter contributes in the kitchen,
           | 'helping'. Its 'helping' because its helping in spirit. It
           | would be more productive if she didn't help, but then she
           | wouldn't learn from it. Which is the point of this: learning
           | by doing (and its good for the dad-daughter connection). I
           | love the concept (before result), I also love the end result.
           | Well done, daughter & dad. Inspiring (not that I'm into web
           | design, so perhaps rather: encouraging) <3
           | 
           | To draw a parallel: I got skates for my birthday. I got
           | nothing with skating, I will probably dislike it. I haven't
           | used them yet. But I will. And then my daughter will see how
           | I learn it, and guess what? We already bought her skates as
           | well. If she's anything like me (and she is, given she was
           | late walker and finds playground scary), she's gonna find it
           | difficult. But if she overcomes it, she's gonna love it (like
           | I had with running, hiking, swimming). We'll also go to the
           | swimming pool together. We already got 3 bicycles for
           | different stages in her life, also for her brother (she used
           | the walking one already). Its just that she's occupied with a
           | different goal right now (just turned 4, getting out of
           | diapers, going to school, plus we had the Covid pandemic), so
           | I was & am procrastinating.
        
             | erwincoumans wrote:
             | It could be that the kids artwork is cuter than her dads
             | artwork.
        
           | Mezzie wrote:
           | I had a website that was up when I was 6 that an adult had
           | never touched. It was shit, but it existed, and I understood
           | the difference between 'designing' for paper (I also liked
           | drawing) and a website.
           | 
           | I thought it was interesting because when I was 6, it was
           | 1994 and the Web was very different from analogue
           | information, presentation wise, and so I never really tried
           | combining my artistic skills and my Web skills, but now the
           | Web is full of images + videos and everybody knows that using
           | neon text/backgrounds aren't a great idea just because we're
           | not using ink.
           | 
           | So a kid's conception of what can go on a website now is
           | completely different and I thought that was neat. Makes me
           | wonder what a 6 year old designing a website will look like
           | in 2052.
        
       | nullzzz wrote:
       | Beautiful site. Your kid is very talented. Best of luck to you
       | both!
        
       | vincenth wrote:
       | Love this! My little dude is nearly two, I now have his first
       | project ready.
        
       | azmodeus wrote:
       | The website looks great. Did she do the drawings with an e-ink
       | pen or do you have a process to make these images from a paper
       | drawing?
        
       | charly357 wrote:
       | About a decade ago, I asked my little sister to draw a header and
       | a logo to my website https://www.frozenfrog.es
       | 
       | She used watercolor and I think Adobe Illustrator for the logo It
       | is not a very business-oriented design, but most customers do not
       | visit that site at all. They usually go directly to the specific
       | app page.
        
       | xvilo wrote:
       | The design looks great, and behaves good on smaller width
       | screens. However, the site breaks a bit when you have a smaller
       | height screen. Maybe thats something you could fix :)
        
       | conartist wrote:
       | Fantastic idea and fantastic execution. I love that it is
       | different to every other personal website I may visit.
        
       | jimmyblanco wrote:
       | This is really great, your product website is excellent too.
        
       | thescribbblr wrote:
       | This is so awesome
        
       | anon_123g987 wrote:
       | Mostly off topic nitpicking, but...
       | 
       | In the International System of Units (SI):                 k:
       | kilo-   = *1000, prefix       K: kelvin  = the unit of
       | thermodynamic temperature
       | 
       | In the IEEE 1541-2002 standard:                 b: bit     = the
       | basic unit of information       B: byte    = a set of adjacent
       | bits (usually, but not necessarily, eight)
       | 
       | This thread contains all possible combinations of the above, with
       | unclear intent, and I don't like it at all. It's not that hard to
       | be unambiguous.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1541-2002
        
       | jhvkjhk wrote:
       | I think your daughter has talent!
        
         | revskill wrote:
         | Drawing talent ?
        
       | scrollaway wrote:
       | This is SO COOL! Well done! First of all, it's an adorable idea;
       | second, it looks great!
       | 
       | And the style of the notebook page behind it, fantastic idea.
       | Save this stuff so hard; one day, your daughter might be a
       | professional designer, and this should absolutely be in her
       | portfolio :)
        
       | username91 wrote:
       | It looks great! :D It's a lovely idea.
       | 
       | Because of the filesize, this would be right at home on the 512KB
       | club: https://512kb.club/
        
       | beckman466 wrote:
       | this is the cutest!
        
       | perino wrote:
       | I know a future web designer when I see one!
       | 
       | As a side note and you're probably not interested in this, but
       | since you mention the total size: your avatar/favicon can be
       | compressed down. to 14.3kb (saving 18,6%) which keeps the Toal
       | just under 50Kb!
        
       | Tepix wrote:
       | I like it a lot! Looks great on a 4k screen.
       | 
       | Perhaps the next logical step would be to move the blog over at
       | medium to your site.
        
       | johnnyballgame wrote:
       | Love it! Better looking than most corporate templated websites
       | these days.
        
       | onion2k wrote:
       | It's a good idea to run SVGs through SVGO before you use them. In
       | this case, the robot SVG data can be shrunk by almost 50% by
       | using SVGO (or svgomg https://jakearchibald.github.io/svgomg/)
       | with a precision of 0 and using the 'prefers viewbox' option. I
       | didn't try the others.
        
         | mchusma wrote:
         | Svgo is so good. It's like a cheat code. I use that GUI too.
        
         | uxamanda wrote:
         | FWIW, ImageOptim[0] is a nice, very simple desktop app that
         | includes SVGO and a bunch of other optimizers for various
         | formats. Drop images, done.
         | 
         | [0] https://imageoptim.com
        
         | vmception wrote:
         | nice, I'm going to see if I can compress some intricate SVGs
         | enough to make fancier NFTs with onchain image data instead of
         | IPFS or external dedicated webserver.
         | 
         | fixing one of the criticisms with that technology. a couple
         | more to go
        
       | acdha wrote:
       | This is great! I miss the personal site era where you saw
       | different designs all of the time rather than just the common big
       | social network templates.
        
       | ta988 wrote:
       | This is excellent, much clearer and nicer than all those
       | "minimal" style personal websites.
        
       | phkahler wrote:
       | Love it. Only complaint is the red highlighting since I've got a
       | mild red-green issue it doesn't show up as well as the blue.
        
       | sdoering wrote:
       | That is a cool project. And a great way to show her that it is
       | quite easy to create something and put it out there.
       | 
       | I love the site and the story behind it even more.
       | 
       | Thanks for sharing.
       | 
       | ps.: This reminded me of when my dad (in the early 90ies) took me
       | to his workshop and let me help build a shelf. I was allowed to
       | sand the wood and I was allowed to drill holes (I was only a
       | little older than your daughter).
       | 
       | I had an incredibly good time with my father.
       | 
       | Two weeks later it got even better. On my birthday (my mother had
       | taken me on a trip to get me out of the house) my father built
       | the "shelf" - it was a loft bed for me - homemade and just as I
       | had always wanted.
       | 
       | That made it even more awesome for me.
        
       | NicoJuicy wrote:
       | It looks good, i'd say it's not biased!
       | 
       | Practical: no "actual" portfolio except 2 links/why do you want
       | people to visit the site?
       | 
       | Not everyone likes going to LinkedIn to see more about you, since
       | it automatically tracks the visitors.
        
         | dmos62 wrote:
         | > Practical: no "actual" portfolio except 2 links/why do you
         | want people to visit the site?
         | 
         | Not OP, but I hate having to update multiple sources when I
         | update my portfolio. I jumped through some hoops to get around
         | that and I'm still not content with my setup. Not sure if
         | that's the reason OP didn't put his resume on his site, but if
         | it is, I sympathize.
        
           | NicoJuicy wrote:
           | Why would you need to constantly update things? Just give a
           | brief description of yourselve ( eg. like an intro on
           | github). Or give a couple of examples of a portfolio (
           | doesn't need to be up to date)
           | 
           | They can see employment details on Linkedin, if they are
           | curious.
        
       | flas9sd wrote:
       | in a video a developer recalls how his teenage daughter made
       | early progress in webdesign. It was all fun and games until she
       | wanted to show her work to friends. He reached for firebase
       | deploy as an easy means to get files in the current directory
       | uploaded and an url back that is public.
       | 
       | This works with supervising / developer parents and maybe a
       | linked billing account. But what are other easy means in reach
       | for the very young? Mozilla had initiatives like "Hackasaurus"
       | and "Webmaker" since discontinued. Publishing on the phone itself
       | intrigues me the most still.
        
         | floren wrote:
         | Maybe neocities? I haven't experimented with it, but you get a
         | gigabyte of storage with the free version, you can use their
         | HTML editor or just upload files, etc. Seems like it abstracts
         | away the un-fun parts and lets you get down to just building
         | the site.
        
       | roflchoppa wrote:
       | This is dope, nice work Kyra!
        
       | xwowsersx wrote:
       | That's awesome. On FF, it's complaining that there's an issue
       | with the SSL cert FYI: Error code: SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER
        
       | DubDouble wrote:
       | its awesome!
        
       | DubDouble wrote:
       | It's awesome!
        
       | shmoe wrote:
       | She designed a better site than I ever will :P
        
       | ydlr wrote:
       | A few years ago, the company I work for acquired a small web
       | agency. I was tasked with migrating their client sites to our
       | infrastructure. One of the gems I found was
       | https://www.jubyla.com/.
       | 
       | After a little asking around, I learned that it was created by
       | the daughter of one of the agency's employees.
       | 
       | I couldn't be responsible for depriving the world of this, so I
       | left it running.
        
         | leonvv wrote:
         | This is great. If some kerbal developers see this please name a
         | planet Jubyla in Kerbal 2.0!
        
           | debo_ wrote:
           | This would also make a great content addition to Hypnospace
           | Outlaw!
        
           | johnmorrison wrote:
           | With tons of flowers, and a restaurant and malls!
        
         | samlu wrote:
         | This is brilliant. I love finding old pages, my uncle used to
         | have a page way back in the day and I remember (as a kid) being
         | absolutely fascinated by it. Seemed like magic to me. It's now
         | mostly defunct (nothing works anymore, the tabs don't even show
         | up, but it still has a landing page) http://wildrock.de/
        
           | syastrov wrote:
           | Another gem:
           | http://www.christianpoulet.com/iemac/en/indexf.htm
        
           | CRConrad wrote:
           | Weird -- I reloaded the page, but the view counter didn't
           | update!
        
         | rgrs wrote:
         | Wow! those butterflies are from CorelDraw. you reminded my
         | childhood. :)
        
         | chasing wrote:
         | I loved it when the web looked like that. Like a giant art
         | project made by people just having a fun time being expressive.
        
           | tgerhard60 wrote:
           | 22 Feb should be Intergalactic Jubyla Day.
        
         | Octopodes wrote:
         | This looks exactly like a site out of Hypnospace Outlaw, an
         | video game where you moderate websites in an alternate 1990s
         | where mind-reading technology exists.
        
         | irrational wrote:
         | >Please respect Jubyla's Copyright (c) 2000
         | 
         | Curses! I was totally going to steal this site! Foiled again!
        
         | SamBam wrote:
         | Very nice.
         | 
         | My 8-year-old is wanting to start a podcast where she reads
         | aloud the stories she has written. She was disappointed when I
         | told her I probably wouldn't be able to get them listed on
         | Audible or on Pinna, but I think a website like that might be
         | just the ticket.
        
           | edgartaor wrote:
           | That sounds lovely. Please encourage her and help her. It's
           | an amazing feeling when you put your work on the web on a
           | safe manner as a kid.
        
           | floren wrote:
           | It's really easy to get a podcast into Apple Podcasts, just
           | submit a URL for the RSS feed. If you don't mind intervening
           | to edit the XML when a new episode goes up, _all_ you need is
           | a directory on a web host somewhere... you drop in a hand-
           | jammed XML file for the RSS feed and all the mp3 files.
        
         | leftnode wrote:
         | This is great. Thanks for maintaining this artifact of pre-Web
         | 2.0 days. And who knows, the next hot startup Jubyla may want
         | to buy the domain for millions.
        
           | chrischen wrote:
           | Eventually six-letter domains will be the new 5-letter
           | domains!
        
         | ftio wrote:
         | This is insanely cute, and posting WAV audio files on a website
         | in 2000 strikes me as pretty sophisticated! Did you or someone
         | else convert some older audio-playing mechanism to <audio>
         | tags? I don't remember those existing back in 2000.
         | 
         | My two boys both have colds today, so the little-kid congestion
         | in the recordings is extra adorable for me at the moment.
         | Thanks for sharing.
        
           | shakna wrote:
           | The earliest browser to support the audio tag that I can find
           | would be Safari 3.1, or the first release of Chrome, in 2008.
           | 
           | (No support in Netscape. Firefox in 2009, IE got it in 2010,
           | Opera in 2011).
           | 
           | Before then, I'd be expecting bgsound on IE, or embed for
           | everyone else, or object and a plugin.
        
             | spdegabrielle wrote:
             | You could do audio with the adobe svg plugin round about
             | 2002-3 I think. I made a pong game with stereo ball noise.
        
           | nkozyra wrote:
           | If I recall correctly the audio tag RFC first came out in
           | 2000 but I'd be shocked if any major browsers supported it.
        
             | relaxing wrote:
             | You could use EMBED to autoplay WAV and MIDI. IE (in
             | classic Microsoft fashion) also defined BGSOUND for the
             | same.
             | 
             | I remember an email signature from around that time that
             | went "If I wanted your website to make sound, I'd have
             | licked my finger and rubbed it across my monitor."
        
           | tjoff wrote:
           | It was quite trivial actually, the problem was that
           | downloading a wav file on dial-up wasn't the best experience
           | so you'd have to make sure to downsample for it to be usable.
        
           | ydlr wrote:
           | When I first came across the site in 2017, all the audio
           | files were in embed tags and they all autoplayed at once. It
           | looks like one of my coworkers "fixed" that in 2019.
        
             | johnmorrison wrote:
             | I played them all simultaneously to see how it'd be and I
             | can confirm it is great
        
         | sam0x17 wrote:
         | This really makes me think I wonder if someone could get a
         | business model working for "permanent" web presences to be set
         | up for small sites with a fixed amount of traffic per month,
         | where you could pay an up front fee and it will be hosted
         | "forever"
        
           | flir wrote:
           | Some of the big private Victorian cemeteries around London
           | were funded like this. I guess they thought they could get
           | enough money together to create a fund, and run the cemetery
           | off the profits. I don't think it worked out anywhere.
        
           | btdmaster wrote:
           | The primary issue would be the domain name which, unlike
           | computing power, keeps going up in price. Once you solve that
           | static site hosting is available basically anywhere from
           | Neocities to GitHub and Codeberg Pages.
        
         | na85 wrote:
         | > discovered a new planet named Jubyla. It has rings like
         | Saturn. It looks like chocolate ice cream.
         | 
         | That is so wholesome. I miss the old web.
        
       | Metacelsus wrote:
       | See also: https://www.lilywise.com/
       | 
       | (JeffTK's daughter, he comments around here sometimes)
        
         | bosky101 wrote:
         | reminds me of geocities
        
           | actually_a_dog wrote:
           | Nah. Needs more animated "under construction" GIFs, a hit
           | counter, and maybe a guest book... lol.
           | 
           | In all seriousness, yeah, I agree. It would be an excellent
           | design if the text were more readable. There's not much
           | contrast between the text color and background image.
           | 
           | Edit: Hey, @jefftk, here's a before and after of a tiny tweak
           | I did to Lilly's page to increase readability:
           | https://imgur.com/a/AEAc4pk
           | 
           | All I did was add                   text-shadow: 1px 1px 1px
           | lightgrey;
           | 
           | to the html element style. Maybe you can suggest she and her
           | sister make a similar change? :)
        
             | jefftk wrote:
             | Thanks! I showed it to her when she came home from school,
             | and she decided she liked it, so I've made the change.
             | 
             | (She also updated the picture)
        
               | actually_a_dog wrote:
               | Awesome! Glad to be of help. :)
        
         | MrsPeaches wrote:
         | My fave section on this is "Birthdays I've Been To"
        
         | RyanOD wrote:
         | The Bad Day - "I didn't like today, and also it was super bad."
         | 
         | Simple and to the point. I love it.
        
         | jefftk wrote:
         | Her sister has one too: https://www.annawise.net/
         | 
         | The pages look exactly how they tell me they should look, for
         | better or worse.
        
       | rodneyzeng wrote:
       | Looks really great!
        
       | omarhaneef wrote:
       | And people say the child labor laws are too strict ...
       | 
       | Jokes aside, I can tell from the responses that there are two
       | kinds of people: those with recent experience of a 6 year old,
       | and those without.
        
       | vodou wrote:
       | It's great! Lacks nothing.
       | 
       | On a related note: I friend of mine once said that an architect
       | (the kind that design buildings) shouldn't be allowed to be older
       | than eight. Still feels like a low-hanging fruit to make the
       | world better.
        
       | WesolyKubeczek wrote:
       | I wish my drawings at 6 yo were that good. Maybe my kid will beat
       | me when she's 6.
        
       | nathias wrote:
       | very cool
        
       | alan-hn wrote:
       | The website looks great! It has a really nice feel to it.
       | 
       | It makes me want to see more pages designed by kids, but at some
       | point I think there might be an issue of child labor.
       | 
       | The design _feels_ unique and genuine
        
       | Semiapies wrote:
       | This is the most charm and personality I've seen in a landing
       | page in some time.
        
       | rwultsch wrote:
       | OT: How is the tech scene in Taiwan?
       | 
       | My wife is from Taiwan. Every time we visit I am very sad to
       | leave. We have thought about moving to Taipei.
        
         | misterbwong wrote:
         | Also interested in this and also very sad every time we need to
         | leave Taiwan! I've always liked the idea of moving to Taipei
         | though the summer weather does dampen my enthusiasm :D
        
       | binarymax wrote:
       | Clickable: https://kevin.tw
       | 
       | I love it!
        
         | dewey wrote:
         | I just found out that links in the OP are actually clickable
         | now even if they don't look like it. That seems like a new
         | thing.
        
           | binarymax wrote:
           | Interesting! When I first opened the post before I made the
           | comment it wasn't clickable, and now it is. Maybe it requires
           | a moderator approval?
        
             | mkl wrote:
             | Yes, moderators manually enable it:
             | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28215165
        
       | ramphisreyes wrote:
       | Great! I was like that and this will help her A LOT.
       | 
       | Save this website for later Maybe it could become a NFT haha
        
         | wanderer_ wrote:
         | Yep! Just as soon as, like my parents used to say, "you become
         | very rich and famous and buy your dear old parents lots of nice
         | things".
        
       | ksec wrote:
       | Absolutely beautiful, I was expecting some kid looking fancy
       | website. And I will leave a polite message of encouragement.
       | Instead I thought this is extremely well made. It has the good
       | old Apple skeuomorphism for Notepad which I know HN hated it but
       | I love it.
       | 
       | And it was fast. Very fast. I am not sure if I am impressed by
       | your implementation of your daughter's design or both. Could you
       | describe the process of "digitized them and added them to the
       | page as inline SVGs." ?
       | 
       | You also went from Sales and Marketing to product designer and
       | Founder. This is going to be an interesting read if you ever
       | decide to write about it.
        
         | fouc wrote:
         | I've seen a lot of love for skeuomorphism on HN
        
         | salehenrahman wrote:
         | I remember when hand-drawn web design was highly trendy back in
         | 2009-2013, and many of them would be featured on awwwards.com.
         | 
         | They were beautiful.
        
       | ivvve wrote:
       | This is cool! Constructive critique: Maybe add some text labels
       | for a11y? From a cursory glance in dev tools it seems a little
       | confusing, looking at the heading and some of the illustrations.
        
       | rcarmo wrote:
       | Awesome. I like the style :)
        
       | geocrasher wrote:
       | If you want to include the favicon, you can base64 encode it.
       | Works nicely, and it's what I did at https://justyourip.com.
       | 
       | Also, I LOVE IT SO MUCH. The web needs more of this kind of
       | thing!
        
       | hobasuk wrote:
        
         | cnlwsu wrote:
         | My son and I made a video game when he was 6 (started at
         | least). I did 99% of the coding, was 3d and math a little
         | advanced but he drew it out, recorded audio and did a lot of
         | research and work for it.
         | 
         | If the kid is excited about project you don't need to explain
         | much, it's more holding them back from grandiose ideas. Kid
         | doesn't need to be a genius, hard work trumps that.
        
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