[HN Gopher] Gaslighting Asian Americans About College Admissions
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       Gaslighting Asian Americans About College Admissions
        
       Author : scarmig
       Score  : 26 points
       Date   : 2022-02-14 21:39 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | agensaequivocum wrote:
       | > policies like promising to appoint a Black woman to the Supreme
       | Court (or other political bodies with a public representative
       | function) strike me as obviously sensible.
       | 
       | So he thinks racism is ok. And contrary to what he says in his
       | linked article I don't think his choice will necessarily be
       | unqualified but to use race as the primary metric is by
       | definition racist. If Trump said said he would only choose a
       | white man, that policy would aptly be decried as racist.
        
         | bradbatt wrote:
         | Racism definition: "a belief or doctrine that inherent
         | differences among the various human racial groups determine
         | cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea
         | that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate
         | others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the
         | others."
         | 
         | No, it isn't "by definition racist"
        
       | jevoten wrote:
       | > Still, it advances the important goals of exposing students to
       | a somewhat broader range of colleagues and helping to lift more
       | underrepresented minorities into positions in the power elite,
       | which remains heavily white.
       | 
       | I don't know about the power elite, but I wouldn't call Harvard
       | or the Ivy League "heavily white". The current (or recent, last
       | few years) composition of non-international students in the Ivy
       | League is as follows:                                         Ivy
       | League   US      Ratio       Jewish                  17.2%
       | 2.4%    7.16       Asian                   19.6%         5.3%
       | 3.71       White (incl. Jewish)    50.3%        61.5%    0.82
       | Hispanic                11.4%        17.6%    0.65       Black
       | 7.8%        12.7%    0.61       White (non-Jewish)      33.1%
       | 59.1%    0.56
       | 
       | Multi-ethnic students and minor ethnicities were excluded from
       | this table. Sources used were the universities own diversity
       | reports, and the _lowest_ estimate for the Jewish student body
       | from the following Jewish organizations:
       | http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/,
       | https://forward.com/jewish-college-guide/, and
       | https://ejewishphilanthropy.com/how-many-jewish-undergraduat....
       | 
       | The (slightly messy) calculations:
       | https://www.jotform.com/tables/220446862418862 - please let me
       | know if you find any errors.
       | 
       | Edit: Updated table link: https://airtable.com/shrtIPZdmejxwKUcM
       | - jotform seems to let the creator view the table, but anyone
       | else is made to log in. Hopefully airtable doesn't pull shady
       | tricks like that.
        
         | balsam wrote:
         | So.. you are saying the Ivies are heavily Jewish? (Going by the
         | ratios)
         | 
         | In any case, I think there should be just 2 categories:
         | left/right or judeo-christian/non-judeo christian
        
         | muh_gradle wrote:
         | I'd be curious about seeing statistics that are white
         | (including Jewish) and also students that benefited from
         | legacy. In fact, if we do a (race && legacy_flag), where do you
         | think it would be favored? I am guessing it would lean very
         | heavily towards white.
        
           | thomassmith65 wrote:
           | The history of Jewish admissions at Harvard* (and Princeton,
           | etc) is sort of 'required reading' to understand the Asian
           | admissions issue.
           | 
           | If I recall correctly large numbers of Jewish students, at
           | least into the 1960s, who applied to the Ivies just had
           | stellar grades. Harvard and others implemented 'character
           | tests' as a result, as they worried the overrepresentation of
           | Jews on campus would scare off Christian parents.
           | 
           | * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota
        
         | scarmig wrote:
         | I think I found a bug in your calculation link. When I click on
         | it, it shows me some kind of button telling me to login with
         | something called the Facebook or Google? Has it been hacked in
         | some way?
         | 
         | ETA: thanks, Airtable works.
        
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         | Manuel_D wrote:
         | Does this presume that all Jewish people are white? I suppose
         | it's probably a safe assumption in the US where the
         | overwhelming majority are Ashkenazim (European Jews).
        
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