[HN Gopher] Storks Deliver Babies (p= 0.008) (2000) [pdf]
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Storks Deliver Babies (p= 0.008) (2000) [pdf]
Author : WayToDoor
Score : 87 points
Date : 2022-02-13 17:43 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| okl wrote:
| Related: "The ASA Statement on p-Values: Context, Process, and
| Purpose"
|
| - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00031305.2016.1...
|
| - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30324223
| bruce343434 wrote:
| Is it just me or is this article unreadable due to the atrocious
| typesetting? All the letters overlap.
| TYMorningCoffee wrote:
| My Firefox built in pdf viewer does not overlap the letters.
| Download the pdf and try another viewer.
| jeffmh wrote:
| I only see the first page when I click the article link. I found
| the full text online here:
| https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert-Matthews-2/publi...
| zinekeller wrote:
| Something wrong with your reader? It loaded normally for me.
| irrational wrote:
| It didn't work for me either. Safari on iOS.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Thank you. I had the same problem on Chrome on ios.
| jeffmh wrote:
| Interesting. Must be a WebKit issue - I'm running safari on
| iOS
| apollo1213 wrote:
| I cannot view it directly in firefox.
|
| A direct view link in browser:
| https://docmadeeasy.com/v/266959716
| tapland wrote:
| I doubt storks care about national borders and this should
| probably be repeated using birth rates in general areas around
| stork populations ;)
| dang wrote:
| Past related thread:
|
| _Storks Deliver Babies (p= 0.008)_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24700606 - Oct 2020 (58
| comments)
| xiphias2 wrote:
| I wouldn't trust this article. How can only be 1 pair of storks
| in Belgium, while 5000 pairs in Hungary? I think the article
| needs better peer review before I accept the fact that storks
| deliver babies.
| shalmanese wrote:
| You're right, the only thing we can logically conclude from
| this study is that the number of storks known to humans
| correlates with birth rates, leading to the obvious conclusion
| that countries which are better at finding storks are also
| better at having procreative sex, probably due to the close
| similarity between the two behaviors.
| 6gb wrote:
| Reminded me of this: https://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
| unhammer wrote:
| Another good resource on how (not) to mess up statistics is
| https://www.statisticsdonewrong.com/
| ajuc wrote:
| The confounding variable is how developed a country is.
|
| It negatively influences both stork pairs (storks in Europe
| mostly live in old-style individual farming countryside) and
| birth rates.
| HPsquared wrote:
| The human birth rate also declines the more developed a country
| is (per person, at least)
| pyuser583 wrote:
| The confounding variable is how large a country is (both size
| and population - two variables that are themselves related).
|
| The papers "birth rate" is absolute: thousands of births per
| year in that country. It should be number of births per woman
| of childbearing years.
|
| Likewise, the number of stork pairs is the absolute number in
| the country. It should be absolute number per square kilometer,
| or per square kilometer of stork habitat.
|
| A geographically larger country will (generally) have more
| people and more storks.
|
| Edit: there are also some outliers heavily influencing things:
| Poland and Turkey have tons of storks. Belgium, Denmark,
| Holland, and Switzerland don't seem to have native storks.
| ajuc wrote:
| > Poland and Turkey have tons of storks. Belgium, Denmark,
| Holland, and Switzerland don't seem to have native storks.
|
| This is the development factor I wrote about :) Storks in
| Europe live in symbiosis with individual farmers. As
| countries switch from millions of small farmers to thousands
| of massive industrialized farms - stork populations dwindle.
|
| This is how it looks like: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star
| y_Brus#/media/Plik:Stary_B...
|
| Almost every house has its stork nest, people provide the
| scaffolding for the nest (usually on the house roof or on
| powerline pylons). Storks eat small rodents, insects and
| other pests (for example whenever farmers are plowing storks
| go behind the tractor and eat larva that are uncovered).
| tapland wrote:
| Storks in Denmark have dwindled to 1-2 pairs from a larger
| population.
|
| This is of course also projected in the birth rate:
| https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DNK/denmark/birth-rate
| chinchilla2020 wrote:
| A hypothesis test allows us to say we rejected the null
| hypothesis.
|
| It doesn't prove anything else besides that.
| [deleted]
| jdrc wrote:
| Sindisil wrote:
| Related: Lack of pirates is causing global warming:
|
| https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikaandersen/2012/03/23/true-f...
| sharkweek wrote:
| Hah! I love this kind of stuff
|
| REPORT: Average human has less than two arms
| PeterisP wrote:
| The average human has approximately one testicle and one
| boob.
| [deleted]
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| well, sure, after sharkweek!
| qznc wrote:
| There are no humans with three or more arms. Most humans
| have two arms. A few humans have one or zero arms. Thus,
| the mean/average number of arms should be between 1.9 and
| 2.0 but surely less then two.
|
| (The median number of arms is two though)
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| first, I am aware of the stats so the lecture was a
| waste.
|
| second, the posters name was sharkweek, if you went in
| the water during sharkweek you probably wouldn't have two
| arms, this is what is known as a joke based on an
| eponysterical name.
|
| third, you are also incorrect in your statement that
| there are no humans with 3 arms
| https://www.google.com/search?q=baby+born+with+three+arms
| Johnny555 wrote:
| _There are no humans with three or more arms_
|
| Never say never:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymelia
| vaylian wrote:
| > Never say never:
|
| Especially on the internet
| anotheraccount9 wrote:
| Prove it.
| Swizec wrote:
| Average human has more than 1 skeleton!
|
| (pregnancy)
| jmmcd wrote:
| This is rather silly (and not in the way intended).
|
| The goal of the paper is to demonstrate a strong linear
| correlation which arises without a trivial confounder (such as
| age influencing both reading age and shoe size in children).
| However, the confounder in the case of storks (country land area
| influences number of storks and absolute number of births) IS
| trivial.
| OJFord wrote:
| > One candidate for a potential confounding variable is land
| area: readers are invited to investigate this possibility using
| the data in table 1.
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