[HN Gopher] Hello, Dynaboard
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Hello, Dynaboard
Author : nine_k
Score : 124 points
Date : 2022-02-08 17:40 UTC (5 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (dynaboard.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (dynaboard.com)
| getcrunk wrote:
| I understand why early stage products don't list pricing (the
| least of which is that they are in flux) but it makes me sad when
| I see interesting products that don't give me pricing.
|
| I end up having to writeoff/ignore the product because I don't
| have the mental space to remember it without pricing. and these
| days ill never sign up for someone's newsletter if I can help it!
| alexkern wrote:
| CEO of Dynaboard here. Thanks for this feedback.
|
| We're looking to make Dynaboard really affordable, especially
| for smaller teams, and entirely usage-based (no per-seat cost).
| Our goal is to price it more like a cloud infrastructure
| product and not charge for things that do not cost us money. We
| don't want to post something and promise something that we
| can't deliver on, and so we decided to table announcing the
| prices until we figure it out over the next 2 months. You can
| find the approximate structure of the pricing on the pricing
| page.
| efsavage wrote:
| Pricing is a required signal for me to understand if the
| product is even worth the time to try. I don't want to spend
| hours or more tinkering and then find out the pricing is
| bonkers.
|
| Seeing "coming soon" and "enterprise" on the pricing page is a
| guaranteed pass from me (but not a permanent one).
| pixiemaster wrote:
| a) good new products: they know they don't know their products
| value yet, so you can actually offer what it's worth to you and
| they will accept that.
|
| b) bad products: it's an extortion play and they will get what
| they can.
|
| solution:
|
| a) if you need their product buy it, and plan how to migrate
| away from it
|
| b)buy their stock and hope that not much people plan how to
| migrate away.
| [deleted]
| speedgoose wrote:
| It sounds very interesting and I hope you will be successful.
|
| How realistic hosting on-premise / in a private cloud without
| breaking the bank is? The price is "contact us" right now. I
| sometimes need to develop applications where privacy and GDPR is
| critical.
|
| The current pricing per developer/user is not announced and I see
| that as a risk for me. I have been priced out of Retool, they
| wanted more money than two good full-stack senior developers, so
| I would like to know if your product is going to make sense for
| me before I invest time and resources in it. I'm currently using
| AppSmith.
| arey_abhishek wrote:
| Hi there, I'm a co-founder of Appsmith. I was happy to hear
| that you use Appsmith. How do you like it so far? Are there
| features that you are missing today?
| pbronez wrote:
| Yup. Critical stuff I always look for is (1) can I self-host
| it? (2) what's my off-ramp if they 10x the price or go out of
| business?
| dvdhsu wrote:
| Hi speedgoose; I'm founder @ Retool. I'm sorry you were priced
| out of Retool; we don't want anybody to be that way. We're
| trying a few pricing experiments now (including self-serve on-
| prem, not billing per-user, etc.). I tried shooting you an
| email to a) fix the issue, and b) gather some feedback, but I
| don't think you have an email listed. Do you mind reaching out
| to me at david AT retool? Thanks!
| alexkern wrote:
| Thanks for the kind words!
|
| We will not be pricing per developer or per user, but rather
| usage-based. We aim to be affordable for applications at scale,
| because we believe the cost of an internal app should not
| increase linearly with your headcount.
|
| We've designed the system for a few deployment configurations,
| with independent single-tenant and multi-tenant support on the
| control plane and data plane. The goal is flexible on-prem
| deployments that balance customer convenience with regulatory /
| privacy requirements. At the moment though, we're focused on
| our multi-tenant cloud environment and making that as top-notch
| as possible.
|
| You'll also be able to eject your app out of Dynaboard. The
| code is yours, we aim to have the best editor available and
| convenient serverless hosting so that's why you'll stick with
| us.
| ethanpil wrote:
| Looks like a great start. Would love to see more examples and or
| live demos of applications already built to get a feel for the
| final product.
|
| I'm curious how this compares to AppGyver
| (https://www.appgyver.com) which was recently acquired by SAP. (I
| am not affiliated).
| RodgerTheGreat wrote:
| "Application error: a client-side exception has occurred."
|
| Nice landing page. Looks like you're missing a polyfill for
| ResizeObserver.
| swimmadude66 wrote:
| thanks for letting us know! we are working with the site team
| now to add that polyfill
| alexkern wrote:
| Thanks for the report. We're now shipping a polyfill for
| ResizeObserver on the landing page. Drop me a line at alex AT
| dynaboard DOT com if you're still running into trouble.
| evandrofisico wrote:
| Same error here, firefox ESR
| vgel wrote:
| Nitpick: the font on the landing page is really weird (Linux
| Chrome) -- the baselines of the letters don't line up, giving it
| a really strange appearance.
| swimmadude66 wrote:
| Hey, do you have any more info about your distro/chrome
| version? I am running PopOS 21.10 with chrome 96.0.4664.93 and
| everything looks normal here. We are working with the designers
| to fix the ResizeObserver issue, but can't seem to recreate
| this one.
|
| Thanks!
| nine_k wrote:
| We're launching a private beta of our low-code tool. Think Visual
| Basic or Delphi, but in the browser, and multiplayer.
| kodah wrote:
| You may want to use Show HN for this.
| nine_k wrote:
| Thanks, makes sense. Next time I'll remember! :)
| pvg wrote:
| You have to have something people can try for a show hn so
| it would have been too early for this post anyway.
| tluyben2 wrote:
| If a modern take on Delphi I definitely would like to try it; I
| used Delphi for more than a decade and yes I miss it.
| econnors wrote:
| any way to increase odds of being selected for early access?
| alexkern wrote:
| Make sure to fill out the Google Form and mention you're
| coming from HN!
| alexkern wrote:
| Hey HN, Dynaboard founder here. Sharing a bit more about how we
| built Dynaboard, since I think this audience will appreciate it.
| More will be shared in future blogs :)
|
| Multiplayer: We used the YJS project (https://github.com/yjs/yjs)
| as the baseline for our multiplayer system. We created a thin
| harness around the client and ended up implementing our own
| server-side architecture to handle relaying between the various
| WebSocket servers. More on how we do this soon.
|
| WebAssembly: Rather than running your custom code in an iframe,
| we run it inside a wasm-based sandbox, a compiled version of the
| QuickJS VM (yes, it's JS-in-JS). This approach gives you
| synchronous access to most of the DOM APIs without sacrificing
| safety. We do some fancy ES6 Proxy management to implement the
| FRP-like data binding system inside the VM. In production, the
| browser runs the project's precompiled bytecode. In the future,
| we plan to support other languages with a similar architecture
| (Python via Pyodide, Rust, Go, etc.).
|
| Code editing: We use Monaco, the same editor that VS Code uses.
| We've had to create a handful of custom extensions, including a
| few custom language servers, to get it to be aware of the VM
| environment. I'm a vim-er so we will definitely have a vim mode.
| alexkern wrote:
| Just for fun, some of our engineers (including swimmadude66)
| spun up this Hacker News look-alike[1] app in Dynaboard that
| hits the HN API.
|
| [1]
| https://dynaboard.com/images/screenshots/DynaHacker_News.png
| cxr wrote:
| > we run [your custom code] inside a wasm-based sandbox, a
| compiled version of the QuickJS VM (yes, it's JS-in-JS).
|
| I'm curious about why. Is sychronicity the only reason? (And is
| it really worth it? `await` makes asynchronous code paths
| pretty unobtrusive.) Mirrors[1][2] are pretty interesting.
|
| (Not sure that I agree that compile-to-WASM makes for JS-in-JS.
| WASM isn't JS. Why do people keep conflating them?[3])
|
| 1. <https://bracha.org/mirrors.pdf>
|
| 2. <http://www.wirfs-brock.com/allen/posts/228>
|
| 3. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29754432>
| nhance wrote:
| Why would someone choose this over Microsoft's Power Platform or
| Salesforce's platform?
|
| Interesting tool, but it seems like it doesn't have a clear
| audience in mind. The end user seems to be "everybody" and that's
| a hard sale to make.
| ziggus wrote:
| It's not only unclear at first glance who the audience is, but
| what the tool actually does. It seems like some kind of no-code
| tool at first, but then it mentions pair programming? I'm
| confused, and don't want to wade through a swamp of marketing
| text.
| hungryforcodes wrote:
| I was confused about this too. Like how does it work? A web
| assembly sandbox...
| alexkern wrote:
| We're decidedly a "low-code" or even "yes-code" tool. You use
| the drag-and-drop interface to design the app, while all of
| the app's logic is written in an in-browser text editor
| environment. Everything is multiplayer from day 1. It's an
| IDE in the style of VB6 / MS Access / FileMaker Pro, but
| built with modern web technologies at the foundation.
|
| We're building for early-stage technical teams and
| independent developers that want to reduce the iteration time
| on prototype -> production apps.
| dustingetz wrote:
| So multiplayer bubble but more industrial/data-centric,
| real database (operated out of band) for full data modeling
| power & operational scale, and use javascript to define
| business rules with control flow and loops?
| JediPig wrote:
| Same thought here.
|
| Why would a person use this over salesforce, Wordpress, or
| the dozen other CMS systems out there? I watched the 5 minute
| demo, it is doing nothing complex. How many one off sites we
| all seen that are written by a tool that ended up not able to
| handle the complexity. Tools like this need a huge "never"
| been done before hook, and this one does not readily have it.
| Stratoscope wrote:
| Do you have a light theme? All the screenshots - and the website
| itself - are in dark themes.
|
| I can't use dark themes comfortably because of vision
| limitations.
| alexkern wrote:
| Yes we do -- everything in the editor interface and the apps
| you build with it have light-and-dark modes by default. We
| didn't have the bandwidth to make the landing page have a
| light-theme, but the product itself supports both modes
| already.
| Stratoscope wrote:
| Wonderful, thanks! I also forgot to ask if the editor
| supports proportional fonts. Since it is Monaco I assume it
| does?
| alexkern wrote:
| We will via Monaco. Using the desktop app, you'll even be
| able to load your VS Code config into Dynaboard, or use
| your own $EDITOR.
| swimmadude66 wrote:
| Disclaimer: I am an engineer working for Dynaboard. Seeing this
| post get so much traction here inspired me to quickly build out a
| simple hacker news clone in-app as a small demo. Welcome to
| HNCeption! https://i.imgur.com/73CPaKC.png
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