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       Show HN: Federalist and Bob - uncensorable website with webtorrent
       and Handshake
        
       Bob Extension just added ability to resolve Handshake domain with
       webtorrent.  Any Handshake TLDs can update its TXT record with a
       magnet link pointing to a folder that contains a index.html page -
       Bob Extension will download and show the content using webtorrent
       when users go to the TLDs (e.g. federalistpapers/)
       https://github.com/kyokan/bob-extension/pull/18
        
       Author : chikeichan
       Score  : 70 points
       Date   : 2022-02-02 17:08 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
       | vorpalhex wrote:
       | It looks like Bob depends on a hosted backend to start with...
        
         | capableweb wrote:
         | > If all nodes are down the site is down stop exaggerating.
         | 
         | First time I hear about Bob, but the README
         | (https://github.com/kyokan/bob-extension) seems to mention that
         | you can use your own `hsd` node in like the first section, or
         | are you thinking about something else?
        
           | vorpalhex wrote:
           | Yes but then.. why bother? If you are running your own
           | infrastructure, none of this matters because you have your
           | own infrastructure. Add a new resolver zone, run a tor node,
           | etc etc.
        
             | capableweb wrote:
             | As a start, I'd recommend you to read through
             | https://handshake.org/ and associated documentation if
             | you're interested in understanding how it works.
             | 
             | As a quick answer to your concern, running your own node
             | doesn't mean you can only access your own domains, it'll
             | still be a part of the global handshake network, just via
             | your node instead of via the "hosted backend" you
             | mentioned.
        
               | vorpalhex wrote:
               | Right, I understand how handshake works.
               | 
               | But if you are capable of running a Bob node, you are
               | capable of running bind or whatever dns solution and
               | manually importing a zone file. Or running tor. Or just
               | running a handshake (or any other) resolver.
               | 
               | There is no benefit to this being entangled with bob.
        
       | thomassmith65 wrote:
       | I can use this to blackmail my ransomware victims. Cool! /s
       | 
       | On a related note: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30049343
        
       | publiush wrote:
       | This is cool! This is an extension version of the federalist [1]
       | project I was working on earlier! This makes using federalist so
       | much easier!
       | 
       | Way to go! Also, this is really cool that you did this!
       | 
       | [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29513547
        
         | gigaflop wrote:
         | This sounds super cool! I was (mentally) toying around with an
         | idea like this a few weeks back, maybe this'll teach me
         | something.
        
       | chriszioutas wrote:
       | correct it me if I am wrong, but whenever I see things like
       | "uncensorable" I laugh. Internet connections require an ISP,
       | internet networks are governed by goverments. There is ZERO way
       | to make something uncensorable or decentralized and all that BS.
       | Even TOR requires someone running exit nodes.
       | 
       | You can make your own car and even use it until you get caught
       | (in a city for example) but you cant use the internet without an
       | ISP.
       | 
       | Only way would be if you started laying out your OWN cable but
       | even then I am sure the goverment would have a way..
        
         | josephcsible wrote:
         | I think the idea is that bad guys would have to censor every
         | visitor's ISP, which is a lot harder than censoring at just
         | where it's hosted. The idea is that the latter, e.g., the way
         | Amazon attacked Parler, won't be possible.
        
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       | littlestymaar wrote:
       | Webtorrent is using webRTC right? What does this use for
       | signaling?
        
       | charcircuit wrote:
       | You can censor it by blocking TXT records with magnet links in
       | them.
        
       | ninjaa wrote:
       | truly dat hacker news thank you thank you thank you
        
       | YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote:
       | If all nodes are down the site is down stop exaggerating.
        
         | jcun4128 wrote:
         | Would be neat random servers you drop in the wild meshed by
         | cellular/satellite. Not saying it would be fast but if powered
         | by something eg. solar/stream nearby. That's a site that would
         | be hard to kill.
        
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