[HN Gopher] A Padlock I'd Use [video]
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A Padlock I'd Use [video]
Author : CraigJPerry
Score : 116 points
Date : 2022-01-28 15:58 UTC (2 days ago)
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| CraigJPerry wrote:
| I've never seen LPL endorse a lock before. I've seen him trash in
| plenty of locks by Abus.
|
| Long videos are pretty rare on the LPL channel. Never seems to
| take him anything like this long to pick a lock. I don't even
| need a padlock but an endorsement like this has me thinking i
| should pick one of these up!
| timonoko wrote:
| "I've never seen LPL endorse a lock before".
|
| Correction: First time ever LPL endorsed a lock which seemed to
| be relatively easy to pick, Especially with the tool LPL and
| Bosnian Bill made..
|
| There are plenty of locks that LPL cannot pick, like Bowly
| locks and new Abloys, and that is an endorsement on itself.
| zucker42 wrote:
| He all but endorsed the Altor SAF lock, noting that it took him
| machining a custom tool from scratch in order to open it.
|
| He also said he personally uses the Kryptonite evolution chain
| lock for his bike.
|
| LPL gives positive reviews of many locks.
| V__ wrote:
| ABUS locks should be avoided. The family that owns the company is
| part of the Christian Plymouth Brethren movement. Female family
| members are prevented from having the same participation rights,
| going so far as to "incentivize" them to sign contracts in which
| they waive their inheritance rights.
| eldenbishop wrote:
| Interesting. I'd never heard of this sect. Also not allowed to
| live on the same land as their cattle. Always fascinating to
| read the rules and behaviors of these outlier communities.
| bongwaterblack wrote:
| unstatusthequo wrote:
| I had a seriously heavy Abus lock on my storage unit. Extremely
| difficult to pick and hardened but the thief apparently used a
| diamond circular grinder to just cut the shackle. I still use
| those locks, and they are solid. But as with anything, it seems
| if a nefarious actor wants to get in, they will. Just a matter of
| their resources and time and skill.
| musicale wrote:
| Do thieves even resort to lockpicking for padlocks? Bike thieves
| (at least) just seem to cut or saw the bolt or chain, or if it's
| a u-bar lock they often just wedge it open (assuming it's a bic
| pen-resistant lock.)
| rdtwo wrote:
| They use portable Angle grinders
| legitster wrote:
| I've watched a ton of LPL videos, but I think they have had the
| opposite of the intended effect on me.
|
| I've now been convinced that if someone wants to pick a lock,
| they pretty much can. So I just buy the cheapest lock with the
| strongest shackle.
| tomatocracy wrote:
| I do similarly, although for a different reason - for bicycle
| locks, my impression is that thieves almost never try to pick
| them - it's just much easier to break them with wire/bolt
| cutters, portable angle grinders or jacks.
| Sohcahtoa82 wrote:
| Yup.
|
| For me, my bike is mainly used for exercise, not
| transportation. I'll lock it to the bike rack at the local
| food cart pod when I'm getting a bite to eat, and that's
| about it.
|
| And yet I still spend nearly $100 on a Kryptonite Evolution
| lock with an absolutely monstrous chain. The lock + chain
| weighs I think 15 lbs, IIRC. It's absolutely overkill. But it
| means an angle grinder and several very noisy minutes would
| be required to steal my bike while my back was turned, rather
| than a quick snip with bolt cutters.
|
| On the other hand, the bike parked next to mine, with the
| cheap Masterlock that can be raked open, connected to a $5
| cable that can be snipped with Harbor Freight Chineseum wire
| cutters...that bike could probably be stolen without anybody
| around even noticing.
| Finnucane wrote:
| I figure with bike locks, the best you get is relative
| security--somebody else's bike is going to be an easier
| target.
| LorenPechtel wrote:
| This is generally what physical security comes down to--
| making it impossible is simply not feasible. All you can
| reasonably do is make your stuff harder to get than
| somebody else's.
| legitster wrote:
| It's pretty telling that he regularly eviscerates bike locks,
| but then he once showed his own bike lock was rather cheap.
| And his reasoning was that he doesn't take his nice bike out,
| and he would rather they destroy a cheap lock than an
| expensive one.
| [deleted]
| LegitShady wrote:
| "Oh that's a fancy lock you have over there. I could take 4
| minutes to cut it, 2 minutes to pick it, or about 15 seconds to
| force it open with a pair of wrenches. An actual criminal is
| just going to break that window over there."
| dharmab wrote:
| It should be noted that LPL is an exceptionally skilled picker
| using custom tools and makes quite difficult feats look easy.
| Most pickers with that level of sophistication can find gainful
| employment.
|
| I don't think he showcases locks he cannot pick in a few
| minutes on his channel either. From talking to locksmith
| friends there are a number of locks targeted for commercial use
| cases where picking/safecracking is considered infeasible (8
| hours or longer)
| legitster wrote:
| I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I really do wish he
| cared more about explaining the cost/benefit. Flexing how a
| lock can easily be defeated by a custom-made tool after hours
| of analysing it is not actually a good proxy for the security
| situations I use a padlock for.
| pdpi wrote:
| He used to, when it was more of a hobby. Now almost all the
| videos have the line "these tools are part of the genesis
| set I sell over at..." somewhere in there.
| kadoban wrote:
| Don't think the content changed in general, just which
| brand of tools he uses did IMO.
|
| He ~rarely but consistently mentions some locks that are
| things he'd use or are worth the money for some use-case.
| It's just most locks get dunked on because most are
| terrible.
| acomjean wrote:
| I was on a construction site and the construction trailer was
| brought in. Its door was padlocked. No Key. With a rotary saw
| (gas powered) and a metal cutting disk it took about 4 minutes
| to open. 3 minutes and 50 seconds was trying to get the saw
| started.
|
| Locks are generally a mild deterrent and "proof it was broken
| into". reducing access to the shackle seems to be more popular.
|
| Those big metal construction boxes put the lock inside the box
| with only access to the bottom of the lock. Doesn't help
| against pickers, but you'll have to cut through the steel box
| to get inside.
|
| https://images.homedepot-static.com/catalog/pdfImages/f1/f19...
| cogman10 wrote:
| The takeaway I've consistently gotten is "Don't buy MasterLock"
|
| A lot of the other examples of locks do show that a skilled
| picker can get through in almost no time. There are a few
| designs that are better than others, but not by a whole lot.
| timonoko wrote:
| First time ever my lock picking skills were in good use. A
| janitor tried in vain to use power cutters on hardened bicycle
| lock on a shopping mall door. I entered the scene, zipped out my
| pocket tool kit and set to work. Luckily the core was quite
| traditional with only few mushrooms and spools.
|
| I trained on Love Locks on Helsinki bridges, which made some
| people very angry -- and I dont know why, because I put most of
| them back.
| stavros wrote:
| > I trained on Love Locks on Helsinki bridges, which made some
| people very angry -- and I dont know why, because I put most of
| them back.
|
| I love this, excellent comedy. Well done.
| hypertele-Xii wrote:
| Oh Helsinki has love locks on bridges too? Interesting social
| phenomenon that's _technically vandalism._
| timonoko wrote:
| The policeman said so too.
|
| -- Yes those angry people called the polize.
| cafard wrote:
| Now I want to know your criteria.
| timonoko wrote:
| That is easy: _Two Days_. If it takes several sessions to get
| it open, I am gonna keep it. At least until I have learned
| all its secrets. I have about six such in the training box
| right now. And one which I have opened only once ever.
|
| Inscription: "Lois & Edwin, March 2018". Yes some English
| people of Helsinki.
|
| Sorry Lois and Edwin, you should have choosed the cheapie
| version with 3 straight pins.
|
| BTW. The lock is ABUS 72/40. Some springs are very weak, so
| it may be that some pins are stuck.
| codezero wrote:
| 72/40 can be extremely evasive with the right bitting, I
| love those little things.
| throwaway81523 wrote:
| Quick web search on the model number shows this is a $125
| padlock. Out of my league, but thanks.
|
| I was out walking and saw some guy stealing a bike by breaking
| the U-lock with a car jack. Unfortunately I couldn't do anything
| about it (discreetly take pictures and call it in) because the
| person I was with was so oblivious. But I didn't know before how
| that type of theft worked.
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