[HN Gopher] FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity a...
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FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity and lifecycle
Author : rsync
Score : 33 points
Date : 2022-01-24 20:18 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| shimont wrote:
| Who uses FreeBSD those days? As a company that runs on the cloud,
| AWS/GCP/Azure you run windows/linux, and on desktop people mainly
| run MacOS/Windows/Linux.
|
| I am really asking as for what is the main use case of FreeBSD in
| 2022?
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| Domain-specific derivatives of FreeBSD are still very popular,
| such as TrueNAS, pfSense, OPNsense, and so on.
| rsync wrote:
| We[1] have our entire infrastructure on FreeBSD - and always
| have.
|
| That's why this has been frustrating - we have a history of
| committing real money[2][3] to the project in an attempt to
| make investments ... but there is never a fixed target to make
| those investments in.
|
| It is a matter of fact that our own use of FreeBSD - in live
| production for a business - is _completely divorced_ from the
| experience and day to day usage of FreeBSD developers.
|
| [1] rsync.net and, previously, JohnCompanies
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| [2] https://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html
|
| [3]
| [deleted]
| rsync wrote:
| I wrote this in 2012 - almost _exactly ten years ago_ - and it
| remains true.
|
| Looking at freebsd.org right now I see that my options for
| production, release systems are 12.3 and 13.0 ...
|
| ... which means that if 12.1-RELEASE came out at the end of 2019
| and 13.0-RELEASE came out in April of 2021, you had _all of 16
| months_ to make investments in the 12 branch before it was
| hopelessly passe and all queries regarding it would be answered
| with:
|
| "That's fixed in current ..."
|
| The 4.x nostalgia is justified: it was polished and polished and
| polished over many years and many organizations were incentivized
| to invest in that branch
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| Just because you think it's still true doesn't mean you're
| justified in not putting (2012) in the title.
| VWWHFSfQ wrote:
| Is this partly because there is no (or very little) commercial
| support for FreeBSD and therefore nobody is all that interested
| in the boring bits like long-term stability releases such as the
| 5 year release, 5 years of support suggestion in that thread? The
| volunteers want to do new and interesting things. They don't want
| to backport fixes for 5 year old bugs anymore when most likely
| the subsystem that contained that bug has already been replaced
| in current anyway, so "what's the point?". And if nobody is being
| paid to do it, if there's nobody _to pay_ to do it, then nobody
| is going to do it. This has always been the problem with FreeBSD.
| Despite some great technology the operating system itself has
| mostly fallen by the wayside in the grand scheme of things.
| There's way too much FreeBSD "religion" in that community IMO.
| KindOne wrote:
| Needs (2012) in the title.
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