[HN Gopher] Show HN: Hebrew Wordle
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Show HN: Hebrew Wordle
Author : puttycat
Score : 112 points
Date : 2022-01-19 13:00 UTC (10 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (wordleheb.web.app)
(TXT) w3m dump (wordleheb.web.app)
| fnord123 wrote:
| What is wordle?
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Guess a five letter word in less than six tries. Word resets
| every day.
|
| https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/
| onionisafruit wrote:
| Thanks for the link. I had previously seen wordle mentioned
| on hn and sought it out on apple's app store. I ended up with
| a much different game - one that I didn't enjoy at all. Now I
| see the real wordle is much more interesting.
|
| I googled and found[1] that I'm far from the only one.
|
| [1] https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2022-01-17-dev-
| behind-5-y...
| moron4hire wrote:
| I work for a foreign language training company. I bet all of
| these versions in different languages would be really great tools
| for our students. Has anyone already started one of those
| "Awesome XYZ" lists on Github for all of them?
| sprak wrote:
| Here is a swedish version: https://ordlek.github.io/ordlek/
|
| (I haven't translated the ui yet, will do later this week.)
| fpopa wrote:
| We've also got romanian now:
| https://cuvantul.github.io/cuvantul
| sprak wrote:
| That was quick. I'm very impressed with your work.
| fpopa wrote:
| I feel like you did most of the work :)
| unwind wrote:
| Looks very nice!
|
| I found a typo in the first line of the initial help pop-up:
|
| _Gissa dagens ord pa sex pa forsok!_
|
| Should of course drop the duplicated "pa". Also, it was
| annoyingly hard to copy-paste that line since the pop-up closes
| whenever I try. :)
| 3np wrote:
| Also, from Sweclockers forum (:
|
| https://ordlig.se/
| diffuse_l wrote:
| Cool, much easier for me than the English version.
|
| It could be nice to treat ending letters the same as regular
| letters (on the keyboard), similar to the way crosswords work in
| Hebrew.
| b3orn wrote:
| I made a french version last weekend https://motle.fac3.org
| sprak wrote:
| On my phone the colours of the letters in the keyboard didn't
| upgrade from yellow to green. Great otherwise!
| mabub24 wrote:
| Very cool, I was able to get the word after 3 guesses. I guess
| learning French has actually been paying off for me!
| julienchastang wrote:
| There is also https://wordle.louan.me/ FWIW.
| bombastry wrote:
| If you get the word right on your 6th guess, the game still
| counts it as if you lost in the stats.
| b3orn wrote:
| thx, I'll fix that.
| forth_fool wrote:
| My attempt to create a German one (slightly different rules from
| the original): https://www.waswort.de
| ggerganov wrote:
| Here is Wordle in Bulgarian: https://wordle-bg.ggerganov.com
|
| Interesting about it is that I implemented this in C++ and OpenGL
| and ported it to web with Emscripten [0], so the page is
| basically a WebGL canvas.
|
| [0] https://github.com/ggerganov/wordle-bg
| ftth_finland wrote:
| Finnish version:
|
| https://sanuli.fi
| gardaani wrote:
| Its implemented in Rust! https://github.com/Cadiac/sanuli
| rossdavidh wrote:
| I am not impressed until someone makes Gallifreyan (sp?).
| sigvef wrote:
| Since we are sharing variants in different languages, here's
| Norwegian: https://www.fiveletters.xyz/no/five
| kseistrup wrote:
| #somebodyshould make a danish version...
| sprak wrote:
| I can modify my swedish one to do danish. Do you know of any
| good word lists? For all valid words I can use
| /usr/share/dict/danish. But do you know of any list that only
| has good clue words? I'm looking for something like
| https://scrabbleforening.wordpress.com/ordlister/ord-
| med-4-b... but for five letters
| kseistrup wrote:
| I can easily give you a list of all valid 5-letter words in
| Danish. Would that do?
| kseistrup wrote:
| PS: I'm unsure how the clue thing works?
| sprak wrote:
| Take the word "lampa". You have versions of the word:
| "lampor", "lampan" and so on. The correct word for each
| day should only be of the type "lampa". No "bending".
| That is the word list that I'm looking for. But you
| should be able to guess words that are "bent". Those I
| can get from /usr/share/dict/danish
| kseistrup wrote:
| I'm pretty sure I can give you a list of all 5-letter
| Danish words in the "lampa" form, but I need to work on
| it because I have to pour them through a filter first,
| and then manually inspect the thousands of words
| remaining.
|
| Can we take this conversation to email? You can find my
| email address at https://kas.bio.link/ and I'm perfectly
| fine if you write in Swedish (if I may reply in Danish).
| sprak wrote:
| Here is the first attempt:
| https://ordlek.github.io/ordlek/dansk/
|
| Hope you like it :)
| kseistrup wrote:
| I do! But it seems somebody beat us to it: https://xn--
| wrdle-vua.dk/
| Mariehane wrote:
| There is! It's called wordle.dk :)
| kseistrup wrote:
| LOL! I love the domain name!!
| jaredwiener wrote:
| My daily reminder that shkkhty t kl h`bryt shly
| ekanes wrote:
| Lo ha kol!
| bszupnick wrote:
| Cool! How does it handle svpyt letters like k /kh? Like totally
| separate letters?
|
| For the non-Hebrew speakers, Hebrew has some letters that change
| form when placed at the end of the word. The Hebrew keyboard has
| these forms in their own key, but colloquially they're the same
| letter.
| amitport wrote:
| You mean ts / ts p / p k / k
|
| And it does seem to treat them like totally different letters.
| They are the same though I'm not sure what will be more fun to
| play. Note that Hebrew has fewer letters to begin with (22 not
| counting those).
| puttycat wrote:
| OP here. We actually count them as the same letter for
| "yellow" boxes, only the keyboard separates them into
| different keys (this is explained in the help screen).
| amitport wrote:
| Oh sorry, I thought it didn't get selected...
| harel wrote:
| Never played the English version, but failed miserably in the
| Hebrew one.
| sharikous wrote:
| The name reminds me of Yiddish spelling (`l for "el/le"). I think
| in Israel this specific spelling is out of fashion (but it's nice
| to see it)
|
| Is it to be pronounced "wordale"?
| golemiprague wrote:
| nanna wrote:
| Cool. Is the source code up? How easy would it be to extend to
| other RTL languages like Yiddish, Farsi and Arabic?
| james-redwood wrote:
| Once you have the RTL most of your problems are solved, but I
| think it may be a problem with Perso-Arabic alphabets as letter
| forms change depending on the letters around it as they link
| into a single word, almost like cursive. I don't think the
| concept would translate well into languages that use that.
| kseistrup wrote:
| Thanks!
|
| I only know the very little hebrew that I learned a looong time
| ago while volunteering in a kibbutz, but I managed to guess
| today's word in 5 guesses:
| https://twitter.com/kseistrup/status/1483869736014393352
| angryGhost wrote:
| has this game suddenly gained popularity or something?
| Kiro wrote:
| How is it possible to have missed the Wordle mania? It has
| infected all layers of my social circle. I love it.
| Zircom wrote:
| Just another anecdote but HN is the actually only place I've
| seen it mentioned personally
| detritus wrote:
| It's been all over the newspaper media here in the UK
| recently, and I'd had it shared a few times back in
| [November?] from my circle of friends. Me being me, I
| ignored it until it was posted here... .
| mankyd wrote:
| Very much so:
| https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/technology/wordle-word-ga...
| contravariant wrote:
| Curious why this particular instance became popular. Or was
| it only the Netherlands where this game formed the basis for
| a famous gameshow?
| qwertygnu wrote:
| In the US, we had Lingo - a game show with almost an
| identical premise that ran from 1987-2011.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingo_(American_game_show)
| nerevarthelame wrote:
| I'm not familiar with previous versions, but I do think one
| big reason this one succeeded is the easy ability to share
| your results (through a simple copy/paste) without sharing
| specific guesses through emojis, which helped virality.
|
| HN doesn't display them correctly, but one example:
| https://res.cloudinary.com/graham-media-
| group/image/upload/f...
| Kiro wrote:
| Also the fact that it's one word a day, same for
| everyone, so people have a habit of doing the daily word
| and sharing it. It creates a community feeling. I often
| discuss the word with my friends like "what word did you
| start with?" etc after seeing their emojis.
|
| The endless-mode Wordle copycats are just not fun and
| miss the whole point. I want to do _the_ word and move on
| with my day, as part of a daily ritual.
| macintux wrote:
| Also helpful: the clean, minimalistic yet helpful
| interface, and most importantly _no ads_.
| schnevets wrote:
| Let's not forget no sign-up/authentication. The session
| is stored locally, so you keep your stats as long as you
| use the same phone/browser each day.
|
| Interestingly, this lean design also means the answer is
| stored locally, but as one commenter observed "Anyone
| pointing this out would have their mind blown when they
| learned the newspaper jumble and the answers in the
| corner upside-down"
|
| These decisions would be terrible for a competitive game
| where folks are striving to top the HIGH SCORE tables,
| but are smart for an approachable little daily routine.
| Hamuko wrote:
| Note that the game actually works off of local time, so
| you might actually have a different word than someone
| else even if you play at the same time. As soon as it
| hits 00:00 where you are, it switches to the next
| predetermined word.
| [deleted]
| mikepurvis wrote:
| My favourite Wordle thing is still the adversarial one, by the
| creator of Hatetris:
|
| https://qntm.org/files/wordle/index.html
| Bootvis wrote:
| I wonder whether it is maximally adversarial.
|
| SPOILER
|
| At first I tried to solve starting with 'raise'. This led me
| down a path were I got words that fit '_ o _ _ y' which fits
| way too many words. I managed to solve it in 6 words by
| following a different strategy: Open up with 'lysin', this
| gives zero hits and then I played more standard which was easy
| because I didn't end up in a situation where I can't
| distinguish between options.
| mikepurvis wrote:
| I also ended up in the '_ o _ _ y' scenario, which for me
| terminated at JOLLY, but I wonder if there's something about
| applying "standard" Wordle strategies to the adversarial
| version that seems to lead people down this road.
| evouga wrote:
| It's probably not as-adversarial-as-possible in the sense of
| maximizing the minimum number of guesses to win. From playing
| in an ad hoc way I found TINES->BOARD->LUMPY->CLUCK->FLUFF
| which wins in 5 moves. I feel like an even harder variant
| would "herd" you towards cases where you're forced to guess
| consonants one or two at a time.
| 3np wrote:
| In that scenario, it can be helpful to try words that you
| know will fail, just to exhaust more unused letters in one
| guess.
| Bootvis wrote:
| True, but I feel that is not in the spirit of the game.
| jerf wrote:
| I think the "problem" is that with decent play, the space
| of valid words simply isn't big enough for a game to drag
| out very long. The space of English words is in the tens
| of thousands, which is only 15-ish bits, and every guess
| is quite a few bit's worth of info (varies depending on
| what you put in, but with good guessing it's quite a
| few). As the author says, about the worst case you can
| get into is having all but one letter correct, for some
| letter that can be many different letters. But a decent
| player just isn't going to get the sort of quality
| adversarial gameplay you can get from Hatetris or
| something. The Wordle challenge is in getting it in 5,
| and even that isn't that hard for a casual word game
| enthusiast.
| echelon wrote:
| This HN poster had the same idea:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29864418
| [deleted]
| compsciphd wrote:
| I see your hebrew wordle and raise you yiddish wordle
| https://www.jiconway.com/vertl/
| amitport wrote:
| Oy vey
| mbg721 wrote:
| Thank you for being a mensch.
| josh_fyi wrote:
| And yet another Yiddish Wordle!
| https://greenwichmeanti.me/wordle/
| nanna wrote:
| Fantastish!
| pedrosorio wrote:
| Portuguese: https://term.ooo/
| drorco wrote:
| I think this won't work so well in Hebrew. As an example,
| _SPOILER ALERT_ , Today's word starts in b, and when I try to
| think of words starting in b, I'm constantly thinking of words
| where "b" acts as the "in-" prefix for a word. I think in English
| this never happens as unlike Hebrew, I can't think of a letter
| than can act as a meaningful prefix.
|
| *SPOILER for today's Wordle* *** *** Eventually, today's word is
| bhkhlt in which b can be considered as a prefix since b-hkhlt --
| "in decisiveness". ** ** *****
| jerf wrote:
| "I think in English this never happens as unlike Hebrew, I
| can't think of a letter than can act as a meaningful prefix."
|
| a on its own can be a few different prefixes:
| https://www.etymonline.com/word/a-?ref=etymonline_crossrefer...
| Many of the examples cited in that will strike a modern English
| speaker as simply being the word, such as "amethyst" which was
| news to me, but we have moral -> amoral, sexual -> asexual, and
| a few others.
|
| I certainly agree I've never thought of this in the context of
| a word game, as opposed to the s suffix which is almost
| mandatory in Boggle, for instance.
| drorco wrote:
| True. "A" does play a similar role. The thing with "A" is
| that there are relatively few words where it could be
| applied, while in Hebrew, almost every noun and verb I can
| think of can have a "b" prefix.
| jerf wrote:
| I agree totally. I saw this more as an interesting
| "natural" word trivia challenge than any disagreement on my
| part.
| Benlights wrote:
| Are we playing a different game? By me the word starts with a
| "m"
| drorco wrote:
| Interesting. My gf gave it a go after I did and she like you
| got a word starting with m.
| lozenge wrote:
| Well, I always think of five letter plurals that end in S, even
| when I know there is no S in that position.
| drorco wrote:
| True, but in English I think this is more of a suffix thing,
| for example you can have words like "soft"->"softly",
| "poll->polls". I think this effect is much more subtle when
| this happens with a suffix rather than a prefix.
| siltpotato wrote:
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