[HN Gopher] A connectomic study of a petascale fragment of human...
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A connectomic study of a petascale fragment of human cerebral
cortex
Author : lawrenceyan
Score : 54 points
Date : 2022-01-16 19:12 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| epgui wrote:
| This is incredible work!
| matthewfcarlson wrote:
| There was a story I read once where general AI was unobtainable
| but computing power continued so simulations of brains was done
| via processing brain slices. So every AI was just a person who
| had died with an intact brain that could be preserved. Self
| driving cars were a thing but it was someone's grandma.
| wallacoloo wrote:
| if you can recall the author/title i'd love to look at it! i'm
| curious how the story deals with the disjointed sensory input
| in the "revived" agent. e.g. does Grandma experience
| sight/sound/touch/feel? if not, how does she cope with sudden
| full-body paralysis/numbness/loss-of-familiar-senses? did she
| agree to this, or know it was going to happen? and so on.
|
| i remember one subplot to a Cory Doctorow book focused on a lab
| that was trying to develop a self-aware machine and the barrier
| there was that the machine would commit suicide as soon as it
| understood the broader context of its being. sort of makes me
| wonder that in order to achieve the sorts of AI you're talking
| about, we need not just map the brain but also understand (or
| bruteforce) enough of it to avoid agent crises. the barrier to
| that _could_ be larger than just developing a wholly new neural
| network (idk).
| klysm wrote:
| How is that different from general AI though?
| robbedpeter wrote:
| General ai would be a unique mind. Simulation doesn't require
| engineers to understand the process, just that the process
| works. I can copy a mechanism without scientifically
| understanding what that mechanism is doing. I can follow a
| recipe or instructable or copy grandma's brain and have
| little to no understanding of what's really happening.
|
| Then again, if you can copy a genius researcher and put a
| million of the minds to work on solving agi methodically, you
| don't need precision and understanding to start with. You
| just hope the million mind genius collective doesn't lie or
| mislead.
| quocanh wrote:
| It would be General Intelligence but it's probably not
| Artificial General Intelligence in so much as the
| intelligence aspect wasn't designed and created. It also
| wouldn't be able to get smarter at the rate of singularity
| since its intelligence comes from using humans as raw
| material.
| The_rationalist wrote:
| blamazon wrote:
| Amusing how they (minimally) protected the identity of the
| individual standing on a roller chair in the main illustration.
| lawrenceyan wrote:
| The dataset the paper uses: 1.4 petabyte browsable reconstruction
| of the human cortex -
| https://h01-release.storage.googleapis.com/landing.html
| KhoomeiK wrote:
| It's simply a matter of scaling this slice-scan-render technique
| up to the entirety of a human brain to simulate human thinking,
| correct? What're the biggest technological hurdles left?
| danielmorozoff wrote:
| pretty much everything. Connectome != functional understanding
| of the brain. We have had c elegans ( worm) and more recently
| fly connectomes for years. we are still struggling to
| understand basic logic encodings in those animal models. Imho
| we lack a foundational understanding of the logic encoding
| mechanisms in the brain. Many neuroscientists/ computer
| scientists are working on this problem, but to my knowledge we
| are still not there.
| JulianMorrison wrote:
| Perhaps someone has been reading Anders Sandberg[1]?
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| 1. https://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf
| josemanuel wrote:
| Was this done for the first time? Is there any novel technology
| that enabled this? Why are these studies rare?
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