[HN Gopher] Google helps Scientology billionaire Bob Duggan hide...
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Google helps Scientology billionaire Bob Duggan hide a dark family
secret (2015)
Author : nceqs3
Score : 107 points
Date : 2022-01-15 20:48 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (tonyortega.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (tonyortega.org)
| theginger wrote:
| What was the outcome of this story? Did the original story get
| reindexed? Did the take down story become the top result instead?
| jlund-molfese wrote:
| Looks like it's at least indexed, even if it's not the first
| result for "Bob Dugan" anymore[1]
|
| [1]
| https://www.google.com/search?q=%22a+perplexing+tale+about+b...
| anonymous-13669 wrote:
| Holy smokes.
|
| Bob was the money-man at a place I worked, long long ago. He
| wasn't a billionaire then, just a measly little millionaire I
| think.
|
| He always was a blown-back-hairdo phony. One example: he at one
| point decided to read some inspirational business text to the
| whole company. Some jabber about productiveness, etc. While the
| rest of us dozing off to these empty phrases, he got so inspired
| that was moved to extemporize "Straight! Like a laser!" into it.
|
| That phrase, "Straight! Like a laser!" became an office joke
| after that.
|
| Now I really need to go read this article.
| ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
| and now he is a billionaire and yet you make fun of him.
| alex_young wrote:
| Is there something wrong with making fun of billionaires?
| cmeacham98 wrote:
| Assuming this "complaint under the DMCA" was a standard DMCA
| takedown Google is legally obligated to do the takedown, or
| assume your liability (hint: they aren't going to do this). Did
| Google not give them the option to file a counterclaim?
|
| Of course Google isn't going to check your website to see if you
| replaced the images, that's not their job. That's on purpose,
| that's how the law works. Takedown takes the content down,
| counterclaim puts it back up, then the claimant sues if they
| still disagree.
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| Google doesn't host web site content. They are not obligated to
| take down anything from their search index. They also don't
| implement the full DMCA process where you can submit a
| counternotice and have all disputed content restored
| immediately.
| adrianmonk wrote:
| Not a lawyer, but I think the law extends beyond hosting.
|
| From https://www.copyright.gov/512/ :
|
| > _OSP stands for "Online Service Provider."_ ... _The DMCA
| contemplates four distinct kinds of OSPs_ ... _referring or
| linking users to online sites using information location
| tools (e.g., search engines)._
|
| And the text of the law itself
| (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512) describes
| DMCA immunity for:
|
| > _infringement of copyright by reason of the provider
| referring or linking users to an online location containing
| infringing material or infringing activity, by using
| information location tools, including a directory, index,
| reference, pointer, or hypertext link_
| adolph wrote:
| https://support.google.com/legal/troubleshooter/1114905?hl=e.
| ..
|
| Removing Content From Google
|
| _Even if Google removes a webpage or image from our search
| results, we are not able to remove content from websites that
| host it. The page may still exist on the website and this
| means it can be found through the URL to the website, social
| media sharing, or other search engines. We recommend reaching
| out to the website owner to request removal._
| cmeacham98 wrote:
| I don't think this has ever been settled in a court case, but
| Google is arguably rehosting the content, especially given
| their search cache of pages is publicly accessible.
|
| I wouldn't blame them for allowing DMCA takedowns to be on
| the cautious side. It's shitty if they don't give a way to
| counterclaim though, I've never been the recipient of a
| Google DMCA so I didn't know.
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| Doesn't Google add a little note saying "2 links were removed due
| to DMCA claims, click here for details?" The absence of that note
| hints this is more than a boilerplate DMCA claim, though it also
| wouldn't surprise me if Duggan paid someone else for search
| engine optimization.
| civilized wrote:
| Link has an autoplay video with sound. Some sales dork is yapping
| at me within seconds of the page loading. Sorry, no story is
| worth that.
| youngtaff wrote:
| I get to see the reports from a few UK newspapers for articles
| that have been de-indexed in line with European data protection
| laws and without fail every article mentions someone that's been
| up to some shady shit...
|
| From men the have beaten their partners, or been found guilty of
| rape to people who've been found guilty of fraud every deindex
| involves someone trying to hide something bad they've done
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