[HN Gopher] Cloud Native Interactive Landscape
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Cloud Native Interactive Landscape
Author : michidk
Score : 61 points
Date : 2022-01-14 15:39 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (landscape.cncf.io)
(TXT) w3m dump (landscape.cncf.io)
| danw1979 wrote:
| I thought the greyed out boxes were some of startups that
| inevitably didn't make it and have now gone out of business, but
| IBM is in there so...
| RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
| It seems like Kubernetes has reinvented JCL from the IBM
| Mainframe
|
| From the Wikipedia pager for JCL:
|
| "Job Control Language (JCL) is a name for scripting languages
| used on IBM mainframe operating systems to instruct the system on
| how to run a batch job or start a subsystem.[1]
|
| More specifically, the purpose of JCL is to say which programs to
| run, using which files or devices [2] for input or output, and at
| times to also indicate under what conditions to skip a step."
| stillicidious wrote:
| I built out my first ISP in 2001, worked in FAANG by 2006,
| haven't the slightest comprehension of what this is for. Is it
| some kind of certified partner directory?
| ejb999 wrote:
| thought it just me! - cool looking graphic, but couldn't make
| heads or tails out of what I would use it for.
| mfer wrote:
| This is a list of "things" in the cloud native space. Some of
| them are from CNCF members and some aren't. Some are paid
| products and services while other things are entirely free and
| open source.
|
| Many (most?) of the things are tied to organizations and they
| try to show information on those organizations.
|
| The CNCF doesn't have certified partners. It is a sub-
| foundation of the Linux Foundation and a non-profit. The CNCF
| does have members. Some of them are vendors and some are end
| users. Things listed in the landscape don't need to be from a
| member.
| caniszczyk wrote:
| There are certified Kubernetes products/projects listed on
| the landscape: https://www.cncf.io/certification/software-
| conformance/
|
| FYI it's also an open source project that others can use and
| build upon! https://github.com/cncf/landscapeapp
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| caniszczyk wrote:
| Nice to always see this on HN... we have more landscapes out
| there too :)
|
| https://landscapes.dev
|
| There are also two sub landscapes in the CNCF landscape in case
| you're interested:
|
| https://landscape.cncf.io/serverless
| https://landscape.cncf.io/wasm (still in beta)
|
| There's also a secret feature that shows who is raising funding
| etc in the space: https://landscape.cncf.io/funding.html
|
| Anyways, I know people like to hate on the cloud native landscape
| but the reality of the situation is that there is a large healthy
| competitive ecosystem out there and a lot of options.
| j_french wrote:
| what are people's main gripes with the cloud native landscape?
| caniszczyk wrote:
| complex, too much content/options for end users to
| decipher... e.g., "hellscape"
| cfors wrote:
| Surely, this is the very definition of too many options?
|
| *Disclaimer: Mostly happy user of many of these projects
| rl3 wrote:
| > _complex, too much content /options for end users to
| decipher... e.g., "hellscape"_
|
| So basically an accurate representation of the market. :)
| mrweasel wrote:
| At best it's pointless. Everything is apparently cloud
| native, so why even bother?
|
| At its worst the cloud native landscape is complexity
| nightmare. Why are there 12 API gateways? Are they all
| equally good? They certain don't do the same, well mostly
| they do, have fun figurering out which one to use. Almost
| none of the product are named all that well, so that's no
| help.
|
| Right now the cloud native landscape is just a collection of
| pretty icons that look kinda cool. It doesn't really mean
| anything. Best I can tell: Graduated doesn't even mean that
| you're guaranteed that these product will work together...
| They might.
|
| I get that others look at the cloud native landscape and see
| endless possibilities, a smorgasbord of options, and that's
| wonderful. I just see complexity, confusing, and shameless
| self-promotion in an attempt to ride the Kubernetes/container
| wave and make a name for yourself and maybe a few bucks.
|
| Don't get me wrong, many of these tools are fantastic, but
| that some people can look at that massive graphic and think
| that the industry is moving in the right direction it
| troubling. Half of these product are dead-ends. We just don't
| know which yet. The room for mistakes are enormous and some
| poor soul will pick the wrong API gateway and be stuck with
| it for the next ten years.
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| How do you measure or understand the end user usability of
| these landscapes?
|
| Because I actually like the content in them but am just totally
| baffled and annoyed at trying to use it. A text table I could
| slice and dice with a few dimensions would be infinitely more
| usable.
| fudged71 wrote:
| These landscape diagrams are fantastic, available in multiple
| formats, open source, and look great. I wish every market
| landscape was formatted the same way. Any plans to make a
| "landscape generator" tool of some sort available for non-
| coders?
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| debarshri wrote:
| Once upon a time, the landscape in hadoop and bigdata had
| something like this. Projects, companies and startups with weird
| animal names. I miss those days where you couldn't tell a
| difference it was name of a bigdata project or pokemon.
| dijit wrote:
| There's another one of these dashboards linked which specifies
| JIRA as the only change management issue tracker.
|
| That's scary.
|
| Seems like this isn't really saying anything. But maybe useful to
| find things to look at further?
| felixgallo wrote:
| Good to see that Kubernetes has simplified software development.
| candiddevmike wrote:
| It's interesting that you never saw something like this
| (landscape/hellscape) with OpenStack. I think it really drives
| home that Kubernetes isn't a platform in the same way, you use
| it to build a platform.
| bushbaba wrote:
| Both Oracle and IBM DB2 are in this diagram as being "Cloud
| Native" databases. Not sure I agree with that statement.
| ghaff wrote:
| You can reasonably argue about what should be included but I
| have a feeling if you started trying to draw a line about what
| databases are properly "cloud native" and which aren't, you
| probably end up making a lot of somewhat arbitrary calls.
|
| I'm not sure I disagree with you but I also understand why they
| might be there.
| nickstinemates wrote:
| You can bet both paid good money to be listed there.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| linux foundation model -- money talks
| cam0 wrote:
| capitalism model
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