[HN Gopher] Ask HN: Do you have to use LinkedIn to get hired?
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Ask HN: Do you have to use LinkedIn to get hired?
I'm seeing a lot of "submit your application" web forms with a
required linked-in field. Would it be absolute folly to attempt to
get hired without using linked-in? What are your experiences?
Author : c64d81744074dfa
Score : 127 points
Date : 2022-01-12 13:58 UTC (9 hours ago)
| 0xbadcafebee wrote:
| Pro tip: never ever ever _ever_ put your phone number in your
| resume or on a jobs site. If you _have_ to put a number, get a
| google voice number and don 't forward calls.
|
| I have 753 voicemails from recruiters. And I'm not in demand. (I
| have 5x as many e-mails from recruiters, so I also recommend not
| putting your personal e-mail in your resume)
| franze wrote:
| Participated in a lot of hiring at a hyper growth startup in
| London.
|
| The recruiters get your CV, go to your linkedin. See if it
| matches good enough. Look throug your linked to see if there is
| something they can use (they are human resource after all) and
| then maybe push you one up in the hiring pipeline process. Next
| step is reading / skimming the other stuff you sent over.
|
| Without linkedin you and they have more work in the first step,
| so even though I hate linkedin with a passion and use its stream
| mostly as an art project, for jobsearches you should use it.
| bluedino wrote:
| Very useful. Right now I am getting about 10 messages a day from
| recruiters, but maybe 1/25 of them are worth a second look. They
| are either geographically not ideal, things I don't want to do,
| or things I don't really have experience with (and my LinkedIn
| profile doesn't even mention)
|
| It's more useful for applying directly to companies. I was
| getting jobs from Indeed but it seems like 3 of the last 4 were
| from LinkedIn.
| alistairSH wrote:
| I haven't run into a required LinkedIn field before.
|
| But, I have used LinkedIn to apply, as many employers have a
| direct application system through LinkedIn (approx. 1-click
| application if your profile is up-to-date). Success rate getting
| interviews this way was good given the low effort to apply.
| oneplane wrote:
| It depends.
|
| I don't, not with what I want and where I want to work. But
| others might want different things and work at different places
| and if those places expect LinkedIn profiles they might think
| it's suspicious if you don't have one. I'd personally not want to
| work at such a place but that's not a position everyone else can
| have or has.
| renewiltord wrote:
| LinkedIn is used near universally for sourcing.
| gregdoesit wrote:
| Former engineering manager here. LinkedIn is useful to get
| "sourced" for jobs. Sourcing refers to recruiters proactively
| searching for qualified candidates for a given job.
|
| The first place recruiters go to source for positions -
| especially for those that are harder to fill - is LinkedIn.
|
| So no: you absolutely don't need to have LinkedIn to get hired if
| you apply directly. LinkedIn makes it easier for companies to
| find and contact you.
|
| Anecdotally, my last three jobs in my career have come from
| LinkedIn outreaches (Skype, Skyscanner, Uber). These were
| opportunities I would have not come across, as I was not actively
| looking, but they found me at the right moment. Before I always
| applied directly.
| zffr wrote:
| The flip side of this is that LinkedIn can sometimes bring you
| lots of unwanted messages from recruiters offering worse jobs
| that also pay less than what you currently make
| josteink wrote:
| Sure. But you're not obliged to respond or take on the offer.
| summertime42 wrote:
| Thank you for putting a verb to that! I didn't know the correct
| term, but I got a sense that recruiters are always 'looking'
| for people.
| ineptech wrote:
| Ditto. I work for a big company with several FT recruiters, and
| AFAICT the _only_ thing they do to look for new candidates is
| spam people on linkedin.
| ranuzz wrote:
| From my own experience, Linkedin is currently the best place to
| get your profile discovered by a potential employer. There are
| others too like triplebyte, workatastartup, etc. but linkedin is
| the biggest.
|
| If you are seeking a job then you are better off contacting and
| reaching out yourself. But even in this case having a linkedin
| profile, lots of connections and references help potential
| employers screen you later in the process.
| dookahku wrote:
| I think the problem is not discovery but the problem is that
| only garbage comes from LinkedIn. I've never gotten a job that
| was worthwhile from LinkedIn.
| cushychicken wrote:
| Nope. Plenty of people are still using job sites hosted
| internally, or API based services like Greenhouse or Lever.
|
| Source: me, I run an aggregator of niche EE jobs at
| www.rtljobs.com.
| jimhi wrote:
| The submit your application is supposed to make it easier. One
| click instead of filling out all the information yourself. Most
| forms I saw had the option to just manually put it in too
| granitepail wrote:
| I haven't updated my LinkedIn in around five years. Definitely
| not a requirement. I do keep an up-to-date CV and just pass that
| along. Could always try putting n/a in the field and writing a
| note, or finding a hiring manager or someone in HR to mail
| directly.
|
| From the hiring side--I've done quite a bit--I never thought
| twice about whether someone had a LinkedIn or CV. I do think it's
| lazy not to provide anything on one's background, though. It
| helps me guide the conversation towards a candidate's strengths.
| throwaway81523 wrote:
| I've never had a linkedin account and refuse to due to all their
| spamming etc. I guess I have gotten comments about that, and
| there is no way to know if I missed out on any job possibilities
| from it. But I've always been able to find something without it.
| reidjs wrote:
| It would be a red flag for me if they are younger/early career,
| but if you are older and have a good resume and/or portfolio
| website I wouldn't care.
| raldi wrote:
| It would be a red flag for me if a potential employer
| distrusted candidates without LinkedIn accounts.
| AlexandrB wrote:
| Out of curiosity, why would it be a red flag? All it indicates
| that the applicant doesn't use LinkedIn.
| ryanmercer wrote:
| Not the person you are replying to, but one of the first
| classes on my "let's get a bachelors starting at 36 years
| old" required us to create a LinkedIn profile as an
| assignment if we didn't already have one. I think they've
| just become a de facto thing that is expected.
| GoodbyeMrChips wrote:
| > I think they've just become a de facto thing that is
| expected.
|
| Good god! Where in the world are you?
|
| Here in Blightty, it wasn't that long ago having a linkedin
| account would count _against_ some of our candidates.... as
| a candidate must have had their head in the sand not to be
| aware of the toxic behaviour of linkedin (spamming personal
| contacts) [1].
|
| [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/07/link
| edin-...
| ryanmercer wrote:
| The United States, this was at a private 4-year
| university. I've seen gobs of job postings on company
| websites that, on the application section, ask for your
| LinkedIn profile link as well and my current employer is
| a very active user as are virtually all of the c-level
| employees.
| moritonal wrote:
| It's just... odd. It's a signal that the candidate has some
| reason for not wanting a LinkedIn account, which could range
| from a messy history to a passionate belief in not having an
| online record. All of which _might_ translate to a difficult
| candidate who isn't prepared to make it easier for the
| employer.
|
| As ever with these kind of eccentricities, if the candidate
| is good enough they can pull it off, but otherwise it's a
| orange flag.
| gausswho wrote:
| Agreed that there's a signal among those who decline to
| dump their work history publicly into the hands of the
| largest company in the world and its recruiter flock in
| exchange for maybe job leads. It is eccentric,
| unfortunately.
|
| But reading that signal partially will filter out
| improperly. Aside from privacy, candidates who value their
| time don't want to be disturbed unless they have initiated.
|
| Someone whose LI profile doesn't exist (or has just 'go to
| my site') is more experienced at the game.
| raldi wrote:
| All the best people I've ever worked with were odd.
| routeerror39 wrote:
| So true.
| bennyp101 wrote:
| Why would I /want/ a LinkedIn account?
|
| Sorry, if someone is hiring based on whether I have a
| cricle-jerk social media account, then I don't want to work
| there.
|
| I genuinely don't understand why you would think it's odd?
| francisofascii wrote:
| It could signal that this person goes against the grain,
| maybe has a disagreeable personality, too cool to join the
| herd, might put up a fight about being asked to do other
| things. Some of these qualities can be very valuable, but
| most hiring managers don't know how to leverage these
| qualities. Tech people might be impressed, but hiring
| managers who live their lives in LinkedIn could be put off.
| Imagine trying to get a job as a recruiter without a LinkedIn
| profile. That would be impressive.
| Rastonbury wrote:
| A fine example of how hiring and assessing candidates can
| really be arbitrary
| luhego wrote:
| It helps. I got my current job through LinkedIn. Also recently, I
| started to get contacted by recruiters from Meta, Microsoft
| through LinkedIn. Most of the offers you will get won't be
| interesting but overall I think it is worth it.
| hackernews777 wrote:
| gigatexal wrote:
| Not necessarily. Those truly in the top 1-5% of their fields will
| likely have the pick-of-the-litter when it comes to jobs because
| of word-of-mouth.
|
| Anecdote alert: I joined a small firm in Hamburg, Germany after
| leaving another startup in the same location. When the new team I
| had joined was talking about how the company was looking to
| launch a new product and was in desperate need of a ReactJS dev I
| showed them something an old friend from the previous job had
| done and they wanted to offer him the job without even
| interviewing! The interview that did occur was more or less a
| formality -- assessing cultural fit and such. He was hired and is
| happy; I've since moved on but that experience never left me. I
| kid you not he is one the best ReactJS devs I've ever seen (not
| that I am in the ecosystem but the things he has built and his
| knowledge of CSS and JS etc -- he could just a lot done very
| quickly).
| vinner_roy wrote:
| I've gotten a dozen interviews recently without a LinkedIn.
| freygibbs wrote:
| LinkedIn is a great way to build connections and have people.
| People send me private messages asking if I'm interested in their
| job position. Thus, If I have time to accept those proposals, I
| might find myself being hired through LinkedIn.
| dpeck wrote:
| I understand the desire to not use LinkedIn, but for those of you
| not using who are either interested in being hire or in doing
| hiring, what's the alternative?
|
| From what I've seen everything else is fairly similar, just
| smaller scale.
|
| I prefer to work with people who I've worked with before, and
| come in via referrals and to hire the same way, but sometimes
| your pool of contacts isn't big enough to do that exclusively.
| irrational wrote:
| We post our jobs on job boards like stackoverflow. People find
| our jobs there (or on our corporate job board site) and then
| apply. We review their resumes, select a few for phone
| interviews, select 2-4 for in-person or zoom interviews, then
| either offer the job or keep looking.
| dpeck wrote:
| Right, so you don't "source" people who aren't actively
| looking.
|
| That's a great approach, and by nature you're prefiltering
| for those interested enough in the position to apply for it,
| but I don't think it covers all the cases that people use
| LinkedIn for when hiring/being hired.
| megatron4537 wrote:
| Yes the company and website is garbage but if you're seriously
| trying to land a job at big tech companies you need to get on
| there, post a picture of you and add your friends/co-workers,
| etc.
|
| Applying through LinkedIn is easy. HR loves LinkedIn. It makes
| your Resume stand out if you can back it up with a decent
| profile.
| ccvannorman wrote:
| I actually get a significant amount of "hiring" inquiries for my
| developer talents via my friends group and various dev groups I'm
| on in Facebook.
|
| LinkedIn is just one place .. it's a good place, but certainly
| not the only one.
|
| Responding to HN Who's Hiring or posting on HN's Who Wants To Get
| Hired is a good source, too.
|
| Finally, AngelList is a noteworthy lead source for me as well.
| ianmf wrote:
| I got hired via LinkedIn, but it wasn't necessary to have an
| account to get the job. The position I got hired for had a job
| announcement on the corporate website. LinkedIn was just another
| source of job listings. LinkedIN was a great tool for discovering
| positions, whereas without LinkedIn, I would have missed them.
|
| There is the usual job opportunity spams, which for IT Security
| is not bad. I have received several initial introduction from
| recruiters from respected companies.
|
| What I like about LinkedIn is that I can find out instantly if I
| know someone who already works at the company I am interested in
| applying. Being able to ask someone about the company's culture
| can help you make the decision if you want to accept employment
| or skip to the next one.
| shultays wrote:
| The answer probably depends on the company, I don't remember any
| company requiring linkedin in their application forms but even if
| not, it wouldn't hurt to create and account and a rough profile.
| It would only take like an hour
| freedomben wrote:
| You can definitely do it without Linked In, but Linked In can
| really help. Everybody who interviews you is going to look for
| your Linked In profile and it will be a little weird if you're
| not on there.
|
| Obviously this is just my anecdotal experience, but I've been on
| all sides of hiring at many different companies, at several
| startups and a couple of big corps too.
| yuppie_scum wrote:
| Absolutely not
| picardo wrote:
| It might be useful for sourcers and recruiters, but the
| interviewers never look at your Linkedin profile.
| lumost wrote:
| I suspect that this is going to change soon. As an industry we
| are now optimizing for the same set of functional interview
| questions across all companies while ignoring past engineer
| performance.
|
| An interview is only one day with a candidate, and we're well
| past the point where our functional questions are contrived to
| the point of selecting for interview training rather than job
| skills.
|
| Consider that 8 years ago asking to reverse a singly linked
| list in o(1) memory and o(n) time was the difficulty bar for
| FB. These days you'd likely get asked to implement an optimal
| multidimensional DP + dfs/bfs/bsearch.
| vineyardmike wrote:
| I'm surprised something like triplebyte isn't more popular...
|
| Do one long test/on-site equivalent then everyone can just
| share their trusted results. Its like the SATs for dev jobs.
| halpert wrote:
| I used LinkedIn to get a job. There was a company I wanted to
| work for. I reached out to a recruiter at the company on LinkedIn
| via DM. He set up some time to talk that day, and a formal
| interview happened a week later. Couldn't have been easier.
| barnbuilder wrote:
| Obviously it is not a requirement but it's quite helpful, even if
| LinkedIn is a dreadful web site in so many ways. I've gotten 3 of
| my last 4 jobs as a result of LinkedIn inmails (including 1
| MAMAA).
|
| Applying for open jobs is always going to be a numbers game that
| most candidates will lose. On the other hand there is no better
| way that I know of to passively receive inquiries from companies.
| Most of them are irrelevant or garbage but it only takes one good
| one to be your next job.
| jollofricepeas wrote:
| I have my LI profile locked down and don't use it. I do have a
| personal site with my portfolio of projects, talks, and links to
| code I've written.
|
| I haven't had any problems interviewing with any of your who's
| who companies in the tech industry.
|
| Best of luck.
| belter wrote:
| Dont forget about all their tricks over the years. We got post-
| truth recently, but one day, post-ethics will catch up with SV
| companies.
|
| "LinkedIn is copying the contents of my clipboard on every
| keystroke" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23716451
|
| "LinkedIn accesses Gmail contacts via 'auto-authorization' "
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12769494
|
| "Stop Using LinkedIn"
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9045677
|
| "LinkedIn violated data protection by using 18M email addresses
| of non-members " https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18525511
| p49k wrote:
| The first "trick" you linked to was a bug in a library that
| they already open sourced before the issue was raised. Pretty
| clear that it wasn't nefarious or intentional and shows they
| didn't in fact copy the clipboard contents.
| thevagrant wrote:
| Wasn't LinkedIn the one who used to access people's emails to
| farm contacts? They did it by testing the password signed up to
| LinkedIn against common mail services (Hotmail). If the users
| used the same password across both services then their email
| got trawled.
| belter wrote:
| https://casetext.com/case/perkins-v-linkedin-corp-6
| taubek wrote:
| I got me current job thanks to LinkedIn. The recruiter found me,
| sent me a message and I got the job:)
| [deleted]
| nikanj wrote:
| Going through the front door has always been a dismal experience.
| That gets your CV in the big pile with 10000 other applicants.
| dep_b wrote:
| I landed my current job at one of the absolutely top paying
| companies through LinkedIn. Meta contacted me a short while ago
| and while I wouldn't want to work for them they did find me
| through LinkedIn and it was a serious recruiter directly from
| them not some third party shady stuff.
|
| It's my #2 source of jobs after TopTal for the last 10 years and
| comes before word of mouth. I don't think there are any other
| sources though one guy hunted me down through a YouTube comment
| which I thought was pretty cool.
| abledon wrote:
| can you give an overview of what type of jobs you find on
| TopTal?
|
| e.g.... is it 'migrate our huge legacy databse to Oracle
| Version X' or, our PhP wordpress site needs a css banner that
| shows a clock counting down?
|
| Do they pay only if the contract is met or do they pay hourly
| then fire you if they don't like the results delivered at each
| sprint?
| dep_b wrote:
| Anything. Legacy to green fields but loads of green fields
| for me. A lot of startups but also a few well-known names. I
| did mobile.
|
| After a one week trial you either get hired and paid 100% or
| rejected and paid 50%. Unless you totally fucked up. The
| client never pays anything but sometimes they try to abuse
| it. But >90% good.
|
| Paid every two weeks like clockwork.
| dghlsakjg wrote:
| You don't have to, but it doesn't hurt. They actually have a
| pretty good jobs platform built in.
|
| The advice I got when I started in tech 5 years ago was: you
| don't have to like using linked-in, but you should use it.
| woodruffw wrote:
| No. I have never used LinkedIn to apply for a job, and have
| received multiple offers (and solicitations to interview) without
| ever having one. But I've also never worked or applied at a place
| that seemed to _expect_ me to have a LinkedIn.
|
| In my experience, having a personal website has all of the
| upsides of being on a "professional" social network with none of
| the downsides.
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| We can't read the mind of your hiring manager, but most places
| don't strictly require a LinkedIn.
|
| However, it's so easy that you might as well just do it. You can
| have it set up and filled out in 10 minutes and it's an easy link
| for people to pass around when discussing you as a candidate.
| mellavora wrote:
| yes, but no, it isn't "just 10 minutes", you should give it the
| care and attention you'd give to your cv or any other
| professional presentation of yourself.
| washadjeffmad wrote:
| I've never been on LinkedIn or hired anyone because of it. I've
| used it cursorily to contextualize the org chart of a company I'm
| not familiar with.
| surajs wrote:
| habeebtc wrote:
| I've gotten hired twice via a linkedin "Stumble Upon" type
| process, but not used it to apply for a job (successfully,
| anyways). I typically have done that with the recruiter or
| company directly.
|
| I don't switch jobs that often. My career has been at only 4
| companies over 20 years so far.
|
| I agree with other comments here, your LinkedIn profile is useful
| for showing people what you're about and what you can do at a
| high level. I know people who don't have linkedin because they
| are in-person networkers. They go to conferences to build
| relationships, and when they need a new job they work that social
| network that they built into their "little black book" by hand.
| AlchemistCamp wrote:
| No. I quit LinkedIn quite a while back when they made my physical
| location a hard requirement, and it's been a net plus. LI was
| never a primary job hunting channel, though. Mostly, it's a
| cesspool of spam.
|
| In recent years though, I've had more inbound interest due to my
| online presence, and haven't done any proactive job seeking
| activities.
|
| YMMV. If I were applying to Microsoft, for example, I'd probably
| create a LI account.
| not2b wrote:
| I deleted my LinkedIn account some time ago because every contact
| it generated was useless spam and people I have never heard of
| asking to be in my "professional network". If I ever want to
| move, I don't need LinkedIn; people in the relevant competing
| companies to mine know who I am. People just starting out don't
| have that luxury and may feel that they have to put up with it.
| auntienomen wrote:
| A funny fact: if you apply for a job at LinkedIn, they ask you to
| upload a resume instead of autofilling with data they already
| have. There are good reasons for this of course (e.g., public vs
| private info), but does provoke some WTF the first time you see
| it.
| aynyc wrote:
| I haven't had much luck in the last 10 years getting interviews
| via company's own hiring site. All my interviews come from
| recruiters (internal or external) pushing for me in the
| companies.
| lrvick wrote:
| I get multiple invites to interview every week and I do not have
| a LinkedIn. Just my self-hosted jsonresume site:
| https://lance.dev
| chriswarbo wrote:
| I've never used LinkedIn; I find such business models unethical
| (essentially: selling access to information that is provided
| free-of-charge by users). Their subsequent spamming of phone
| contacts, and aquisition by Microsoft has reenforced this
| opinion.
|
| I've never had a problem getting a development job, for the past
| 11 years. I'm in the UK.
| GoodbyeMrChips wrote:
| I'll second this.
|
| LinkedIn was toxic when it started..... sending spam to your
| email contacts saying you had invited them to join. How the
| fuck they gained _any_ respectability after this is beyond me.
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/07/linkedin-...
| Philip-J-Fry wrote:
| I haven't used it to get a job yet. But I do use it to keep a
| look out for future jobs, it's worth having. Every week I get a
| couple of messages from recruiters and it's just nice to know
| what the going rate is for different jobs and sometimes something
| might catch your eye.
| c64d81744074dfa wrote:
| The wide range of answers to this has been really helpful. What
| I'm getting out of it is this: If you're a linked-in refuser
| (like I've been so far) then it limits you somewhat, filtering
| out some potential employers, but possibly in a good way.
|
| But you don't HAVE to use it. Good to know!
| irrational wrote:
| I hope not. I don't have a LinkedIn account and don't plan on
| ever having one. I avoid social media as much as possible.
| good8675309 wrote:
| I've landed at least 2-3 major jobs through LinkedIn. My current
| job and one in 2015 that moved me from making 5 figures at a
| local company to making 6 figures contracting remotely with a
| digital agency and it lasted 5 years. Also, part of this was
| making connections in the open source community, and optimizing
| my profiles, getting as many connections as possible. Taking on
| any interview I could get even if I wasn't interested in the job,
| just for the interview experience. I think there is a lot more to
| it than just throwing up a fresh empty LinkedIn profile. You've
| got to work hard to make it good and to make connections both on
| and off LinkedIn. And make sure you work on your soft skills,
| those have often won me jobs over more qualified candidates.
| [deleted]
| numbsafari wrote:
| No, except for companies that require you to submit your resume
| with a required LinkedIn field. /eyeroll...
|
| If that company is one that you really want to work for, perhaps
| try finding an alternative way of applying. See if you know
| anybody there and get them to submit your resume. Having an
| internal referral is good for them, and probably helps your
| chances vs. coming in via a web form.
|
| If you are personally opposed to setting up a LinkedIn profile,
| the fact that the firm requires one for submitting your resume,
| probably indicates that they aren't a good match for you.
|
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| can provide one... https://www.bainbridgehealth.com/careers
| fancyfredbot wrote:
| You can get hired without LinkedIn.
| fragmede wrote:
| No, but look at it this way. From a UX perspective, we're
| familiar with reducing friction to get people to sign up for our
| product, whatever it is. Even with some irelevent friction,
| you'll get some sign-ups, but you'll get more with a more
| optimized flow. Same for linked in. Is it _possible_? Yes, you
| 'll get many answers saying they didn't. So you don't _have_ to,
| but why make it hard for employees to hire you. Especially if you
| 're at the start of your career.
| fossuser wrote:
| I've found internal referral to be the only reliable way to get
| an interview at competitive companies. Generally I think the
| below is true when it comes to getting interviews.
|
| - Internal Referral (this is the best way)
|
| - Twitter leading to internal referral
|
| - Inbound recruiter leading to interview (only happens if you've
| already succeeded at 1 or 2 previously).
|
| ---
|
| - Have gone to famous school like MIT or Stanford.
|
| There are a lot of ways to get an internal referral, but most
| involve making friends with someone who already works at a place
| or knows someone who does. You can do this by making friends on
| twitter, HN, github projects etc. Moving to an area that has a
| lot of the industry (SF Bay) if possible helps too, though with
| remote work is less important now.
| fatnoah wrote:
| I think mileage may vary depending on location, role, and YOE.
| I didn't go to a top/famous school, but I do have 20+ years of
| experience, including Principal level IC and several years of
| management experience as tech lead manager, manager of
| managers, and executive (at a small startup, so not a huge org)
| experience.
|
| Of the six rounds of interview/job offers I've gone through
| since 2016, 5 were the result of a recruiter finding me on.
| LinkedIn. Caveat for one of those was that one of those was a
| reachout from a big name tech company a couple years previous,
| so I then reached directly out that recruiter. For another big
| name tech company, I submitted my resume directly through their
| online portal and got a call the next day.
|
| My LinkedIn spam level is probably about 75%, which isn't
| actually a terrible ratio. I consider spam to be something
| that's clearly irrelevant to my role or far too junior. For the
| spam, I ignore, and for the others I always reply with a polite
| "thanks, but no thanks" which people generally respect and has
| occasionally led to a more appropriate job link.
| fossuser wrote:
| Yeah I think you're right, I suppose I was thinking in the
| context of early career or first job. I think you get more
| attention if you have a lot of YOE.
| s09dfhks wrote:
| I deleted my linkedin in ~2016 and have been fine without it. All
| it ever did was allow low effort recruiter spam for jobs I had
| nothing to do with
| james_impliu wrote:
| As an employer, I find LinkedIn profiles faster (and thus nicer)
| to screen (we're a company that doesn't ask for a set application
| format) - since you don't have to adjust your brain to the
| format! I'm less likely to miss stuff, but might skim faster
| versus reading your story.
|
| That said, if someone just sends me (I'm cofounder, post series B
| startup) an email directly which is well thought out connecting
| your skills with what we're working on, I will 100% read it /
| consider it. This ticks a box that you're interested in what
| we're working on - which we need to feel to hire you.
|
| I do not now look at the vast majority of submissions, since the
| vast majority of those are generic, so we have a full time
| recruiter looking through.
| kerneloftruth wrote:
| You do not need LinkedIn. I closed my account there early last
| year, and have never regretted it or feel that I miss out on
| anything. Instead, needless distraction has been removed. I was
| on LinkedIn for 12 years, and never once got a consulting gig
| from it; rather, those all came from colleagues, Craigslist, and
| DICE. I looked for new opportunities this past autumn, and found
| _plenty_ without LinkedIn.
|
| YMMV, and for me a key factor is that LI is heavily slanted to
| full-time employment. For consultants, its value proposition
| isn't so great.
|
| Good luck!
| heybecker wrote:
| LinkedIn eliminates friction better than anything else in my
| opinion. Applying to a job with a single click is brilliant. I
| wouldn't bother with anything else unless I was targeting
| something specific like climate, startups, etc.
| kradeelav wrote:
| I'm not a recruiter, but I am a (design) manager frequently on
| interview panels.
|
| LinkedIn is _useful_ for me behind looking at the design
| portfolio (most important), and the resume. I 'll scan the
| connections to see if we have a mutual friend, college, previous
| job, etc as a topic to talk about in the interview, and it
| frequently brings up a great discussion that might not have
| happened otherwise. Definitely not required, though.
| fshee wrote:
| No. When I attempted to create a LinkedIn a few years ago they
| flagged my account as spam and requested a photo ID. They will
| not get one from me.
|
| GitHub under Microsoft also flagged a new-ish work related GitHub
| account as spam. They eventually reversed the suspension after
| four/five months. Luckily my day-to-day work does not have GitHub
| in the loop. On one occasion a co-worker did me a favor and
| submitted a PR for me.
|
| * In LinkedIn's case I used some Czech in my profile. Maybe that
| made it seem suspicious.
|
| * GitHub doesn't like when you delete a GitHub account, wait some
| amount of time, then create another GitHub account with the same
| email address.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| I joined LinkedIn early on. When I was working as an individual
| contributor I first thought it was super effective and I became a
| "LiON" who tried to build as large and as open a network as I
| possibly could.
|
| At that time I got numerous jobs thanks to my LinkedIn profile.
| On top of that I would tell anybody who was listening,
| particularly anyone who was struggling in job searches, that they
| should join LinkedIn too.
|
| I went through a phase of business development for a new idea and
| found that LinkedIn attracted an unlimited number of bullshitters
| to the point that I was starting to become a bullshitter. I was
| getting sick and tired of the spam email I was getting. I was
| angry and resentful all the time and starting to feel guilty for
| thinking horrible racist thoughts like "They should rename it to
| linked.in", etc. It just seemed everybody was a "consultant"
| named "Joe Blow" who had a company called "Joe Blow Incorporated"
| or a personal trainer, life coach, etc.
|
| Around the time Trump got elected I deleted most of my social
| media accounts including my LinkedIn account.
|
| Since then I did two job searches without LinkedIn. In one case I
| went from "damn i really have to get a job" to having a job in a
| month, in the other case it took a few months.
| ohCh6zos wrote:
| I think Linkdin is largely a productivity trap. There are whole
| articles out there about how to optimize Linkdin, but I've never
| glanced at it for the 100's of people I've hired over my career.
| darepublic wrote:
| As others have said, in the current climate at least if you have
| a good linked in profile recruiters will proactively seek you
| out. And I have indeed found work via these cold call recruiters.
| But it's not strictly necessary at all.
| pkrumins wrote:
| You don't really need LinkedIn. The quickest way to get hired is
| to create a technical blog, write a bunch of interesting
| articles, create a couple of interesting projects, and make them
| go viral. You'll get flooded with emails from headhunters. (This
| is what I did.)
| hackernews777 wrote:
| vineyardmike wrote:
| This is sarcasm right?
|
| > The quickest way to get hired is to create a technical blog,
| write a bunch of interesting articles, create a couple of
| interesting projects, and make them go viral.
|
| Is obviously not quick. But tbh is a dream way to land a job.
| summertime42 wrote:
| Last 2 gigs were directly through LinkedIn, so to me, it's a huge
| win. If a good recruiter/lead contacts me, I get their email and
| add them to my 'rolodex' so I can contact them when I need a
| future job.
|
| However, 98% of it is total and complete garbage. Unfollow
| everyone. Follow 2-5 people you actually care about. Ignore spam
| messages - don't even get emotional about your time being wasted
| - just delete it and move on.
| cecilpl2 wrote:
| My two most recent job changes have been via LinkedIn. My profile
| is minimal (no photo, just a short blurb and a super-old
| copy/paste of my resume).
|
| The first was an ex-colleague recruiting me directly for a
| position he was trying to fill. LinkedIn was just the easiest way
| for him to find me since we were already connected there.
|
| The other was random recruiter spam, to which I always respond
| with my standard blurb - basically "Is this position fully remote
| and what's the salary range?" They came back with a number 40%
| higher than what I was making then, so I pursued it.
| mathattack wrote:
| Not mandatory but helpful, especially for mgmt roles. It's an
| electronic business card, helpful for people who used to carry
| cards.
| wizzerking wrote:
| I have been offered 2 contract positions without linked-in
| profiles So my answer it is not necessary. I mostly use linked-in
| to post articles of interest to me in the various groups as a way
| to promote open source code repos from authors who publish their
| software as well as their findings It is my hope that by posting
| such articles/work I will encourage more authors to publish their
| code so we can all grow together
| danfromberlin wrote:
| I usually just submit www.notlinked.in and it has worked fairly
| well.
| k3liutZu wrote:
| I don't think it's required, but it can be a big help.
| vineyardmike wrote:
| You can totally get hired without linkedin. Where you will get
| hired will depend a lot on who you are and your skills.
|
| If you're a relatively junior IC, you may not have time to build
| up an IRL professional network to help you get a job. You may not
| have a crazy in-demand resume that jumps to the top of the list
| for senior/staff jobs. This means you need to find jobs instead
| of letting them come to you.
|
| I've seen people say that reading linkedin is the ultimate resume
| - standard format, easy to read and parse, and all look the same.
| So if you're just doing resume drops on online web forms, missing
| out on that tells the hiring person they have to do more work to
| evaluate you. That could mean its "too much work" and they just
| skip you. YMMV but its a risk you take.
|
| I've heard a lot of different takes on recruiters from linkedin.
| As a relatively mid-level engineer at FAANG, i get constant
| recruiters messaging me (1 per week min). I found 50% to be not
| worth my time ever, and the other 50% are recruiters for
| big/reputable companies (eg. faang et al.) and some of them have
| given me interviews/leads, - i've even taken a job that started
| on linkedin via a recruiter cold message.
|
| Personally, i understand why linkedin is annoying to use. It has
| lots of antipatterns, etc. That said, part of getting hiring is
| "playing the game" unless you're truly 1/1000000. By sitting out
| linkedin (when doing resume-drop style applications), you're
| signaling to the company hiring you that you either are too lazy
| to update a profile once a year, or your morals against linkedin
| are stronger than your desire to help them hire you. Its like
| people who don't keep their resume < 1 page. They are either
| truly incredible and it can't be fit on one page, or they just
| don't know how to or refuse to do the simple things that are
| expected of them.
|
| TLDR: Unless you're special enough to make your own, or you have
| a strong personal network already, following the status quo may
| help you.
|
| (also its LinkedIn not linked-in, skip the hyphen)
| ftomassetti wrote:
| Consider also that many companies promote job ads on LinkedIN or
| search candidates on LinkedIN. So even without the "submit your
| application" LinkedIN is pretty important to get hired, imho
| not2b wrote:
| For the original question, I'd just say to put 'n/a' or similar
| in the LinkedIn field, or whatever gets you past that box but
| indicates that you don't participate in LinkedIn. If that alone
| causes your application to be rejected, you probably don't want
| to go through that channel anyway.
| tomiplaz wrote:
| No. I got all of my contracting jobs via HN (except the first
| one, which was a natural transition) and am very grateful for
| that. All of my clients were / are great, professionally and
| personally.
| throwmeaway666 wrote:
| It is the only social network that I find worth engaging with and
| by that I mean just create your profile and fill in some of your
| data so recruiters have an idea of what you can do. You don't
| NEED it to get hired but it sure has helped me find new jobs more
| than once.
| completelylegit wrote:
| I've never gotten a job from linkedin despite having an account
| (and references). I closed my account about 5 years ago and still
| manage to get competitive salaries in senior level tech jobs.
| dookahku wrote:
| I've gotten a couple high quality leads via engineering managers
| on LinkedIn. One was of Apple. I forgot what a regex was after I
| got nervous though so no job
| enigmatic02 wrote:
| It's a good way to get recruited, but no you can definitely get
| away with resumes and referrals into jobs without a linkedin
| profile.
|
| LinkedIn is also better for big tech, hard to do research on
| smaller startups. For that, I prefer using crunchbase and
| topstartups.io
| johnklos wrote:
| You do not need to use LinkedIn. They are a scammy, spammy
| company that was so bad that getting acquired by Microsoft made
| them better, not worse.
| eerikkivistik wrote:
| I use LinkedIn as a honeypot/blacklist for companies that do
| unethical spam. Just keep a text file with companies/people I
| won't work with.
| bhandziuk wrote:
| Yes but how do you store such a large file?
| sys_64738 wrote:
| To me LinkedIn is simply a marketplace for resumes that
| recruiters research to find people they match to their positions.
| They then contact you. It's also for maintaining a professional
| network of current and former work associates to get possible job
| leads if you're looking or they need to hire.
|
| All the other stuff seems like filler material to me so I ignore
| it all.
| rosgoo wrote:
| I'm actually currently building a LinkedIn alternative to fix a
| lot of the pain points in this thread: https://leapful.dev/
|
| - Minimalist social network for engineers: no feed, no messages
| from anyone not in your network.
|
| - Input ideal job criteria and get matching and vetted job
| requests with standardized fields instead of paragraphs of texts
| from random recruiters.
|
| - Private, no Google Analytics, and open-source.
| abadger9 wrote:
| Definitely not! I deactivated my linked in 5 years ago and got
| emails from Amazon, Snapchat, and some stealth company that
| didn't want to disclose their name since Monday. I think it's not
| as necessary on the engineering side, but I did pass all the
| rounds of interviews @twitter but have a manager pass on me
| because i didn't have a linkedin profile (this was through a 3rd
| party contracting agency and not the FTE application route)
| jcadam wrote:
| Got my last two jobs via LinkedIn. I don't engage much with
| LinkedIn beyond using it as an online resume and a job hunting
| tool - they basically ruined the groups feature a few years ago
| AFAIC.
| soneca wrote:
| I am a midlevel frontend developer. I had to look for a job one
| time per year for the last 3 years.
|
| 3 years ago I tried everything. I applied to (literally) hundreds
| of position. More than 100 on LinkedIn, which led to nothing (50%
| ghosted, 50% automated rejection). Applied to a few from HN ("Who
| is hiring"), a couple of interviews, no offer. A fez dozens on
| AngelList, a few interviews, one offer, got hired.
|
| 2 years ago I mostly gave up on LinkedIn. Still applied to a
| couple of dozens there, same result of 50% ghosted 50% automated
| rejection. Applied to a few dozens on AngelList, a few
| interviews, no offers. This time, on HN, I applied to all
| positions that I could be a match (for two "Who is hiring"
| threads). A few interviews, got hired by one of those.
|
| Last year I ditched LinkedIn completely for applications. I did
| not apply for a single job there (but kept my profile updated and
| I could see that my profile was visited by people from the
| companies I was applying). Applied to all of HN positions of
| December's thread, several interviews, two offers. Applied to
| about 20 positions on AngelList, a few interviews, one offer,
| which I ended up accepting.
|
| So LinkedIn is a complete waste of my time when applying to jobs
| there, but I believe keeping a profile there helps a little
| (although probably a good enough resume file could do the job).
|
| Some caveats, with more experience my application-to-interview-
| to-offer ratio improved a lot, except on LinkedIn. There a couple
| of reasons for this I think. Big companies use LinkedIn more. Big
| companies have more silly (imo) requirements, having a CS degree
| (I don't) or the recruiter recognizing where I studied (I went to
| college in Brazil).
|
| Also, this last time I was back living in Brazil, so I wanted
| companies that hire globally remote and that's mostly small
| companies that don't use LinkedIn for hiring.
| octobus2021 wrote:
| Seconding that. The quality of positions on Linkedin is not
| just down, I found them essentially worthless (applied to less
| than 100 positions but still a lot). Some positions are there
| for more than 1 year (and shown as recently posted), dead
| links, some links lead to job boards that force you to register
| with them just to show the job description, etc etc.
|
| The "Home" page feed is full of inspirational quotes/memes and
| heartwarming videos, so they're building a social network which
| I have no need for. I only have the profile because
| recruiters/employers increasingly require LinkedIn profile with
| your application.
| abledon wrote:
| export resume function is their killer feature imo
| didip wrote:
| Why don't you want to use LinkedIn? It's a low effort tool to get
| used to.
| invalidname wrote:
| No. But it is useful and solves a lot of problems for me.
|
| It's pretty easy to see who you and the interviewer know in
| common. That way we can get references and pass the interviews
| more easily. I'm very experienced and at my level, if I didn't
| have references it would be unacceptable. LinkedIn lets people
| instantly see who we both know so they can ask about me and get a
| reliable answer.
|
| I do the same when I'm hiring. It helps with my confidence level.
| chuckdotis wrote:
| bityard wrote:
| I blocked all email from linkedin on my mail server back in 2005
| or so when they were relentlessly spamming _every_ email address
| they could find. I still have them blocked. I never bothered to
| create a linkedin account because from what I hear, 99.9% of the
| content is inane self-promotion and a never ending stream of
| begging from low-quality recruiters with low-quality offers.
|
| 100% of all the jobs I've had in my two-decades-long technology
| career have been from my real, in-person social network. "Hey
| bityard, I work at this cool place and think you should too."
| aidenn0 wrote:
| Oh man that was terrible. I graduated in late 2004, got a job
| in 2005 and I literally got 10 e-mails from linked in per week
| to all of my e-mail addresses.
|
| It's why, to this day, I do not have a linked in profile.
| Obviously if my family were starving I'd do what it takes to
| get a job, but given that programming jobs are fairly easy to
| find, I am not signing up.
| yakkomajuri wrote:
| It's certainly not a necessity, but it can help.
|
| Back when I used to work as a consultant I got 3 good clients
| mostly via LinkedIn, including a Fortune 500 company that cold
| messaged me.
|
| As for regular employment, there's often a multitude of ways to
| apply, so LinkedIn isn't necessary. If you need a good LinkedIn
| profile to get hired, well, that's another debate.
| jlturner wrote:
| No, but employers usually look at it for past work experience and
| positions. All of this will be on your CV/resume anyway. I
| believe that I get a lot more recruiters reaching out because of
| it (for better or worse).
| geocrasher wrote:
| LinkedIn has been a great tool for me and was instrumental in
| getting my latest job. What started as an answer to a call for
| technical writers ended up in a full time job in my industry (web
| hosting) with people I'd never have known otherwise. So yeah. Why
| not? Sure, there are downsides to LinkedIn, but get what you want
| out of it, ignore the rest.
| zmb_ wrote:
| I just completed a successful job search, including landing a
| great senior level IC role at a large tech company. I do not have
| LinkedIn (or GitHub etc.).
|
| Based on what I've read and heard from hiring managers, I
| optimized two things: CV and video call setup. My CV was
| customized for every application, a single page dense with
| information but designed to be easy to skim and pattern match to
| the role requirements. For video calls, I had a high quality
| camera, microphone, lighting and background arrangement. There
| are tons of guides for YouTuber setups, which I followed.
|
| I have no control experiment (it could be due to a hot job market
| or my experience profile) but I was honestly quite surprised how
| effective it all seemed.
| bredren wrote:
| I agree that video call setup is important. I'd suggest it is
| way undervalued.
|
| People don't understand how important production quality is.
| Virtual backgrounds and automatic cropping / lighting adjust
| can be good but aren't as good as getting it right in the first
| place.
|
| Setting up quality video conference production for remote
| interviewing is often easier than buying and caring for all of
| the clothes in the grooming often needed for in person
| interviewing.
| lvspiff wrote:
| I love the callout for a video call setup - have something more
| than just a pixelated camera and blank wall in the background!
| Things like lighting and ability to see and hear you can make
| or break an interview if not at least make you stand out for
| being clearer than the rest.
| [deleted]
| bennyp101 wrote:
| I have never got a job via LinkedIn, and when I did have an
| account years ago when it first started, I closed it because of
| the crazy amount of spam I used to get from it.
|
| It's a social media account. Instead of posting about how great
| your cats are, you post about how great this article that you
| wrote is.
|
| I guess if you MUST have one, just put a link to your own site
| with CV and stuff that you want - then its there for normal
| people to see, and those that insist on using a social media
| platform to decide if they should hire you or not.
| bmitc wrote:
| > It's a social media account. Instead of posting about how
| great your cats are, you post about how great this article that
| you wrote is.
|
| A trend I've seen is the absolute bombardment of overly flowery
| "I'm leaving my current company and joining this other". It's
| exasperating.
| jokethrowaway wrote:
| I never found a job via LinkedIn. I found a job via GitHub but I
| mainly found jobs in my personal network.
|
| At first they were cheap startups, then they turned into better
| paying companies.
|
| The jobs I get offered on LinkedIn are mostly paying less than
| 50% of what I'm making via personal contacts. A few can get to
| 90% of what I'm making.
|
| I tolerate LinkedIn because I'm too lazy to have a CV and because
| it's nice to gauge how the market is changing by looking at their
| salary ranges. I also add everyone and ignore them if they're
| selling services / jobs I'm not interested in.
| sshine wrote:
| I never used LinkedIn to land a job. I once received a relevant
| offer (compiler specialist located less than 500km away that
| requires relocating; the recruiter actually did a good job). I
| never got a ton of spammy offers, but I got enough to delete
| LinkedIn.
|
| But YMMV. I also don't have Facebook; I use GitHub as a portfolio
| page and do have some open source going on there.
|
| Witnessing what happened to Marak, who broke his own npm
| libraries and got locked out of GitHub, my conclusion is that the
| platform does not operate on the user's terms. Yet another mega
| corp.
| jonathankoren wrote:
| Pretty much every job I've gotten in the last 10 years has come
| either directly or indirectly from LinkedIn.
|
| It's a good product, and I don't understand the hate it gets
| here.
|
| What's the alternative? Begging some old coworkers or friends for
| a referral? That's a relatively small net.
| [deleted]
| aidenn0 wrote:
| I don't use linked in, I have been hired. Put "N/A" in the
| linked-in field.
| xunn0026 wrote:
| You can probably find a local job on LinkedIn but nothing decent
| remote.
|
| I found my best remote job due to an announcement right here on
| HN. My 2nd best (and longest running) due to some open source
| involvement.
|
| LinkedIn has been terrible in finding jobs. I actually tried to
| apply to a Google job being suggested to me and was shocked to
| see that I am being take to another portal to fill-in my data. I
| would have assumed my data being filled into LinkedIn
| automatically gets shared with the employees I apply to. Which
| means LinkedIn it not very practical.
| xyzzy_plugh wrote:
| This isn't true at all. We hire remote folks sourced from
| LinkedIn all the time. In fact, it's one of the _best_ ways to
| find global remote candidates as most folks refer people they
| know, which are mostly local or centered around some economic
| area.
| xunn0026 wrote:
| I guess LinkedIn delivers for you.
|
| Since I work entirely remote my (previous) team is already
| distributed.
|
| But LinkedIn itself has basically little support for this
| scenario. I noticed that although my previous startup was in
| SV they started promoting me local jobs as soon as I marked
| I'm "open for work".
|
| I had to change my location to SV to get SV jobs but then
| some of those had timezone requirements, etc.
| friendlydog wrote:
| How else do you track your old work colleagues and ask for a job
| when they get hired at a place to work? Recruiters are there too,
| but if you know someone it can ease the hunt especially if you do
| good work and they remember you.
| Taylor_OD wrote:
| No. I'd just post a link to your resume in that spot. Companies
| like it but no one will hard pass on you because you dont have
| one. That being said making it easier for companies to hire
| you/reach out to you is good if you are actively searching for a
| new job.
| DoubleGlazing wrote:
| I have never got a job through LinkedIn, even though I get loads
| of contacts from recruiters - as many as 10 per week. The problem
| is that those contacts are poor quality. They are spammy as heck,
| basically mass emailing anyone who has a specific search phrase
| anywhere in their profile.
|
| For the last year my profile bio has opened with the statement
| "Recruiters: Please tell me what your favourite colour is if you
| want me to respond to your message." Not one recruiter has
| actually done that. They literally do not even look at your
| profile.
| evanelias wrote:
| I feel like the quality issue is only getting worse over time.
| Yesterday I received a LinkedIn message from a recruiter that
| began with "I wanted to reach out as it is almost the end of
| the year" ...
|
| The same recruiter previously emailed me in December and did
| not use that phrase, so it's not like he always copy-and-pastes
| the same thing. However, in his December message, he misspelled
| my name (which is only 4 letters long), and never even
| mentioned which company he is hiring for -- it was only
| apparent in his signature line.
|
| This was a Google recruiter, hiring for staff+ level SWE roles.
| 908B64B197 wrote:
| I think we have this post every few months on this site, so
| let me explain how recruiting works. There's 3 types/market
| for recruiters and they almost never overlap.
|
| The first are "body shop style" recruiters. It's basically a
| numbers game where they try to cold-call as much people with
| githubs/linkedin or blogs that reference programming. They
| don't know programming (not even what's the difference
| between languages or front-end/back-end) and are looking for
| a list of buzzwords. They'll send copy-pasted messages (you
| can tell because it references tech you never used or never
| even claimed to have used). If you respond (and really you
| shouldn't) you won't be able to get any relevant information
| about the position because... they don't have it. These
| recruiters are often contracted by external firms in "best
| value countries" and are given canned response to message
| you. That's probably what the author encountered.
|
| Second type are professional recruiters. Their salary is by
| commissions will often be a percentage of your salary. They
| are knowledgeable about programming and tech (often former
| engineers who wanted a break from coding!). They typically
| are looking to match specific profiles to specific jobs at
| client companies. This goes all the way to recruiters
| specialized in C-Suite executives (and you can picture the
| commission finding a CEO will bring in). Their messages will
| be personalized and you shouldn't hesitate to reply back even
| if you aren't looking for a job. They know that most great
| software engineers are almost never openly looking for a job
| so their goal is to be on good terms with a large number of
| talented developers so that the minute they start looking for
| a job they can match them with positions. You'll know when
| you encounter one.
|
| Third type is basically referrals. A players attract A
| players, smart companies know it. Make sure your referral
| bonus is a percentage of total comp. It's probably the most
| effective way of recruiting (it has an insane signal to noise
| ratio). But you only get access to that type of network by...
| bringing value and being part of it in the first place!
| evanelias wrote:
| My point was more that even Google -- a company with a 1.9
| trillion dollar market cap -- is now relying on cut-and-
| paste-error recruiters, even when sourcing for roles which
| pay $500k+.
|
| I've seen a lot of cringey recruitment communications over
| the years, but rarely encountered it for very senior roles
| at top companies in the past. Seems way more common now.
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| In my experience, Google and Amazon recruiter emails tend to
| be the most poorly written, confusing and unprofessional
| emails I receive from recruiters.
| gspencley wrote:
| My personal pet peeve is when recruiters talk about the
| qualifications and tech stack at length but completely leave
| out what the product / company is.
|
| I know there are a lot of devs out there, particularly junior
| and intermediates, who are looking to work with their
| favourite tools or something they've not worked with before.
| But after 25 years in the industry, having worked with
| several "stacks" and programming languages and worked through
| many popular paradigm shifts, I care far more about what I'm
| building than I do what tools I'm using to build it.
|
| So yeah, I ignore those recruiters.
| nikita2206 wrote:
| I find this is much more often emphasized by developer
| interviewers.
| DoubleGlazing wrote:
| A really common one I get is emails about Java jobs where the
| recruiter praises me for all my Java skills and experience
| and talks about how I would be the perfect candidate for the
| job they have. The thing is nowhere in my profile does it say
| I have Java experience (I'm all C#/.Net), however it does
| mention JavaScript in a few places. They couldn't be any more
| obvious with their laziness.
| wizzerking wrote:
| That is why I have a NO JAVA Gmail template that tells the
| recruiter to learn to properly use their search engine
| https://www.lifehack.org/articles/technology/20-tips-use-
| goo... https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/topics/googleapps/
|
| Since it is a template it takes 20 - 30 seconds to respond
| jliptzin wrote:
| Yea that's the best, when they start out saying how they
| went over your profile and all the amazing things you've
| done in XXX language even though that's not listed on your
| profile at all!
| rapfaria wrote:
| While I understand the sentiment and don't like LinkedIn, I
| would assume a recruiter view in the app shows aggregated data,
| or they would be looking at hundreds of profiles everyday.
|
| I also did something similar saying that "My rates start at
| $150", and recruiters were still contacting me for $13.
| edmundsauto wrote:
| My counter anecdote 1 I'd never really used LinkedIn much, but
| a FAANG recruiter found me on it. That's how I got my
| interview, which I passed, which changed my life for the
| better.
|
| Mass recruiters are the problem here. I've never tried the
| brown M&M strategy, Instead I prefer to just tell them no
| thanks when it's not interesting.
| paulcole wrote:
| If they can fill their roles with acceptable candidates without
| reading individual profiles, what's their incentive to do so?
|
| Do you want a new job enough to be inconvenienced by
| recruiters? If not, then this system seems to be working
| perfectly.
| DoubleGlazing wrote:
| There is a high likelihood that that those scatter-gun
| recruiters aren't placing people into appropriate jobs.
|
| Most recruiters have one goal, get candidates into a job -
| any job. Then they get their fee. They do not have an
| obligation to get a candidate in to the most suitable job. In
| my experience they will happily lie, flatter and cajole you
| in to doing their bidding and taking a job that is not right
| for you.
|
| I don't want to deal with recruiters like that and that's why
| I try to filter them out.
| CSSer wrote:
| I love the bio bit. That's a hilarious and really nice touch.
| DoubleGlazing wrote:
| It's interesting what happens when certain recruiters send a
| follow up message when I don't answer first time. When that
| happens I tell them to read my profile carefully. Some then
| get it and send me a colour and a few have got a bit shirty
| saying I am being unprofessional or that I am being
| unreasonable expecting them to read my profile given the
| pressures they are under.
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| Wait, _you 're_ contacting _me_. Why should I care what
| kind of pressure you 're under?
|
| Who's being unprofessional here? Isn't it the recruiter?
| paulcole wrote:
| If this person needs a job more than they don't want to
| be inconvenienced by recruiters, then they really don't
| have a leg to stand on.
|
| You can always be as demanding as you want but don't be
| surprised when somebody else doesn't give in.
| tata71 wrote:
| Just seems like GGP is trying to avoid being hired by a
| string of people not detail oriented.
| DoubleGlazing wrote:
| Pretty much. I have always found that it is better to
| send out fewer customised job applications, rather than
| send out loads that are all the same.
|
| I wish recruiters would do the same. If I engage with
| recruiters that use the scatter gun approach then it is
| inevtable that they will be wasting my time as they just
| aren't interested in detail and effort.
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| True, but DoubleGlazing _didn 't answer the first time._
| That isn't someone who "needs a job more than they don't
| want to be inconvenienced". That's a recruiter that wants
| to find someone to fill a job more than they want to
| respect your desire to not be inconvenienced. And I don't
| have any sympathy.
| nsxwolf wrote:
| I had one send me a 4th follow up email this morning which
| seems excessive. The funny thing is, all the emails are
| spammy - it's clear that she sends all 4 of these to
| everyone on some schedule.
| encryptluks2 wrote:
| This is why I deleted my LinkedIn profile and would suggest
| others to the same. It has become nothing more than a spammy
| network that collects way too much personal information.
| [deleted]
| Mc91 wrote:
| I am a programmer and indirectly got my current job via
| Linkedin. In 2019, a big four accounting firm contacted me on
| Linkedin to do consulting work for them. I would not have
| thought of applying to them but since they reached out I talked
| to them and was hired, and was placed at a Fortune 100 company.
| A year later (2020) I was hired by the F100 company.
|
| Recruiters from Meta/Facebook and other companies have reached
| out to me since then. The non-spammy ones directly from
| companies I respond to, but told them I am not currently
| interviewing.
|
| In your settings you can check if you're active looking,
| casually browsing etc. If you're marked as actively looking you
| might get more incoming.
| givemeethekeys wrote:
| I suggest putting the blurb somewhere in your employment
| history. Your LinkedIn profile gets scraped and imported by
| various recruiting software. They often don't import the bio
| blurb (although they probably should).
|
| This won't eliminate the spam, but will increase your chance of
| a recruiter seeing the blurb.
| sokoloff wrote:
| Are you _trying to force them_ to see the blurb though? Van
| Halen could have put a callout to the brown M &M clause in a
| very prominent place in the contract, had a lot more venues
| see the clause and, by so doing, make it no longer a useful
| measurement of their attention to detail and level of effort.
|
| https://www.insider.com/van-halen-brown-m-ms-
| contract-2016-9...
| ericalexander0 wrote:
| Hiring is a signal to noise problem. Know the signal they're
| filtering for, filtering tools in use, and you'll get an
| interview. If they're asking for a linked in profile, then it's a
| tool in use.
| BigBalli wrote:
| More than "have to" I wonder "can you"...
| 999900000999 wrote:
| I've been lucky enough to get almost all my recent jobs off
| LinkedIn,
|
| The Easy Apply is straight up revolutionary, because you don't
| need to wade through a 20-page job application anymore. I don't
| need to answer a personality quiz to apply for a job . Job .
|
| That said, I absolutely hate the photos on LinkedIn. My physical
| appearance and my qualifications are two different things.
| jrockway wrote:
| I've never had a LinkedIn account and have held several jobs
| throughout my career.
| tupac_speedrap wrote:
| swagtricker wrote:
| I've gotten hired due to LinkedIn exactly once, and it was
| helpful. However, that's not how I "use" it. LinkedIn's best use
| is what it was intended for: a professional networking social
| media space. Here's how I've used it successfully.
|
| Put your resume on LinkedIn. Send connect requests to people
| you've worked with and who you'd be willing to work with again.
| Accept connect requests from people you've either worked with or
| know from professional networking (meet ups, conferences, user
| groups, open source project collaborators).
|
| Why?
|
| If someone asks for your Resume, you can first point to your
| LinkedIn profile (less of a pain). If someone has a job opening,
| they'll have a way to contact YOU about the opportunity (yes -
| I've had this happen multiple times). If someone with a job
| opening pings you (hiring manager or team member NOT A
| RECRUITER!) you can "introduce" people and help a former co-
| worker find a job or contract work (I've done this a couple of
| times). From time to time you'll get pings from former co-workers
| who might not have another way to contact you - It's nice to talk
| shop over beers.
|
| Summary: LinkedIn lets you keep your professional network
| separate from your personal network.
| garciasn wrote:
| As a counter to your anecdote, my last three jobs have come
| through LinkedIn and I use it as the SOLE platform for anything
| work-related. I refuse to apply for a job that doesn't ingest
| my LinkedIn profile information; my resume is just a PDF copy
| of my LinkedIn profile (which is fully public too); and I tell
| people to go to my LinkedIn profile because business cards died
| 20+ years ago.
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