[HN Gopher] Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) - Notes, whiteboarding, a...
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Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) - Notes, whiteboarding, and daily
planner in one tool
Hi HN, This is Tom, Adam, and Brandon from Clover
(https://cloverapp.com) - a digital notebook that blends notes,
tasks, whiteboards, and a daily planner into one streamlined app.
We've spent our careers working on creative tools. Tom started
building web-based design products with Apple back in 2011. Our
first startup - Macaw - was one of the first no-code tools on the
market. It was acquired by InVision years ago, where we went on to
build numerous other design tools. We are also long-time
productivity junkies, having built nine different note-taking and
task management apps over the past eight years. These were passion
projects that were fun to build and use. Working in the design
industry, we noticed how designers struggle to communicate their
ideas with design tools alone. They often spend more time in a text
document outlining feature specifications than they do in their
design program designing the actual interface. Task management is
done in yet another program, and so on. At the same time, we
noticed how text editors don't do a good job of supporting
thinking. Our brains naturally think in a non-linear fashion. Great
ideas don't flow out of us with a beginning, a middle and an end--
they require an iterative process of divergence and convergence
(the 'double diamond model', for those familiar). Forcing people to
record their ideas in linear documents is a terrible constraint.
It's much more intuitive to work in a non-linear fashion like
designers do within their design tools. Conclusion: Thinking tools
lack communication and productivity features. Writing tools lack
thinking and iteration capabilities. This means you need to string
together multiple tools across an idea's lifecycle, which is
difficult to manage. This gave us the idea for Clover: a single
workspace to support all stages of an idea's development: from
brainstorming, design, planning, all the way to execution. It
should be as good for thinking and iteration as design tools, have
powerful text and knowledge management capabilities, and support
planning and task tracking workflows. The mission is to help you
think more creatively and get more done every day. The heart of
our implementation is a new type of document, which we call a
Surface. It's a freeform spatial document with a heavy emphasis on
text capabilities. This required us to build a new type of text
editor from the ground up. At its core, it's similar to other
modern markdown-style editors (like Dropbox Paper) but it also
borrows mechanics from design tools (like Figma). Instead of
working down a page from top to bottom, you can work in any
direction, drag and drop text the way you would move layers in a
design tool, sketch on top of your documents, embed rich media from
across the web, and a lot more. Building a workspace like this
requires meeting users' expectations of not just one but many
different tools: digital whiteboarding, note-taking, tasks, and
knowledge management. Consolidating technology and UX into
something that actually works across all of those different
functions is an interesting and challenging systems design problem.
Text editors are deceptively complex to build, and we had to
rethink a number of things about traditional text editors to enable
Clover's spatial capabilities. We don't have all of the features of
the traditional programs, but we think having all of your tools
together is more valuable. We also spent a fair amount of time
thinking about how a product like this should fit into your daily
workflow. Our Daily Notes feature is intended to be a place to
return to throughout your day to take notes, plan tasks, journal,
etc. It has some special functionality to automatically roll over
any tasks that you didn't finish from day to day, and it aggregates
tasks across all of your pages, so you have one location to see all
of your priorities. Having notes, whiteboarding, tasks, and a
daily planner all together in one tool makes it frictionless to
carry out ideas from beginning to end and ensures nothing gets lost
in the cracks. Clover is used for a wide variety of things -
taking notes, planning tasks, etc. Some of the more interesting one
ones we've seen are: planning out presentations and practicing them
with Clover's frames and presentation mode; outlining a vision for
a sales team using our diagramming tools; drafting blog posts and
using a Clover surface to iterate on the text or take notes in the
margins; simple kanban to manage small projects; watching videos on
a surface while taking notes and pasting screenshots directly next
to the embed. We charge a simple monthly subscription and you can
try it out here: http://cloverapp.com. We'd love to hear what you
think of the product and ideas on how to improve it. Thanks!
Author : attasi
Score : 95 points
Date : 2022-01-11 14:57 UTC (8 hours ago)
| defluct wrote:
| No desktop app? That's a dealbreaker.
| attasi wrote:
| I agree, desktop is critical. We actually have one you can
| download here! https://cloverapp.com/download
| urlwolf wrote:
| Amy plans for a Linux app?
| smoldesu wrote:
| Wow, both desktop OSes! That's like... every computer!
| davidjfelix wrote:
| I'm working on adding this to brew cask right now.
|
| Edit: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-cask/pull/117242
| My first cask, help appreciated.
| klohto wrote:
| Wow, that was fast. Thanks!
| insomniacity wrote:
| +1 for encryption. I currently spend money on Standard Notes, but
| would probably move to this if there was end-to-end encryption.
| screye wrote:
| I will be following this very closely. I have been asking for
| this for about 10 years now. Signed up, will be using it for a
| few weeks to evaluate.
| gesusc wrote:
| Awesome! Let us know what you think.
| candiddevmike wrote:
| FYI the animations for your signup and "where ideas grow" are
| killing my browser performance. Beefy desktop, Google Chrome. I'd
| get rid of them personally or use standard CSS animations when
| the elements come into view.
| epaga wrote:
| This reminds me of an iOS app I built years ago (primarily for
| myself) called Mindscope https://apps.apple.com/de/app/mindscope-
| thought-organizer/id... - a visual, hierarchical text canvas.
| Scapple meets Workflowy if you will.
|
| I always loved this freer and more visual form of note-taking so
| it's really cool to see a full-fledged, more complete solution
| with media/images and the whole nine yards. Very cool!
| navigator8 wrote:
| Hey! I also use mindscope even on ios 14. Any chance of
| updating ios 15.
|
| It's a great app!
| attasi wrote:
| Oh cool! I haven't tried Mindscope, but it does look similar.
| Nice work!
| ciarlill wrote:
| Some initial feedback after noodling around for 20 mins:
|
| Initially this looked like the perfect replacement for my notion
| + good notes setup. Inking is really important to my workflow so
| most of my feedback is around that. I also love having the
| calendar integrated into my daily notes.
|
| - Daily notes don't appear to be a surface so cannot be inked on?
| This is pretty vital for me. In GoodNotes I basically have a new
| note page every day for scribbling. Otherwise this feature looks
| perfect for how I currently work. - The inking in general does
| not feel great in comparison to Notability or GoodNotes. It
| appears to do some path correction and overall everything feels
| very "stiff". Could use more pen tip size options and pen options
| in general as well as highlighting. - It's too easy to
| accidentally activate the context menus for text / shape / non-
| drawing areas when panning around with fingers or accidentally
| brushing them with your hand. Maybe a long press on these to
| activate those menus?
|
| I love the idea of having notes, tasks and calendar in one place.
| You nailed the integration with google calendar, I just wish you
| could do something similar with tasks but I doubt it will fit
| into your current paradigm. For me, as a mixed OS user (Android
| phone, iOS tablet, MacBook for work) I need a task manager that
| is fully cross platform with notifications, quick add, etc. no
| matter which device I'm on. I could see using the tasks in your
| app for non-deadline, more project-management style things. But
| not as a daily "to-do style" app. And maybe that is the
| objective, just my 0.02.
|
| Overall this looks _super_ promising and I would love to
| consolidate my current workflow into one place. And there are
| great ideas here, unfortunately the UX (at least on iOS and
| specifically in regards to inking / touch input) just falls
| slightly short of the competition.
| attasi wrote:
| Hey, thanks for trying it out!
|
| We agree there is plenty of room for improvement with our pen
| tool. It's an area we're constantly refining. We're hoping to
| get pressure in there soon.
|
| Surfaces on Daily Notes has been highly debated by the team. On
| one hand, it would be pretty excellent to us. On the other, it
| could inhibit other workflows by adding too much cognitive
| overhead. Because you can create a Surface inline using `[[New
| Surface Name`, we have pushed this decision off for the time
| being. Would love your thoughts on how you would like it to
| work.
|
| Would also love to know what makes a daily driver to-do app for
| you. Maybe we can work that in. Either way, thanks for all the
| feedback. It's very helpful!
| tchock23 wrote:
| I had a somewhat similar setup to you with Notion and
| Notability. I tried Clover and at first it didn't stick but I
| gave it another shot and eventually transitioned over entirely.
|
| The only thing I miss from my previous setup is the syncing of
| audio to notes from Notability, but it's a worthy sacrifice to
| have a simpler all-in-one workflow.
| swingbrother wrote:
| one missing feature seems to be the latex support. notion and
| many other note takings apps has inline support for latex
| equations.
| klohto wrote:
| Wanted to try the desktop, but it still requires Rosetta under
| M1. Any plans for an ARM build?
| scrumper wrote:
| Delighted to see this. Nearly a decade ago I made a sort of
| virtual desk blotter which let you put notes or drawings
| anywhere. It was during paternity leave after my first child was
| born and I was in that weird head space of free association
| caused by extreme sleep deprivation. I've since discovered One
| Note which has that as a core UX device, but I still think mine
| was nicer, though I never really finished it.
|
| Clover's Surface seems like a grown-up, slick version of what I
| was trying to achieve on my own. So I'm really pleased you're
| making a business out of it. And it's a desktop app!
|
| I wish Apple hadn't ditched the whole OpenDoc thing - it'd be so
| good to draw a frame and have that frame be, say, an Affinity
| Designer document that you could edit directly in the Surface. (A
| bit like OLE with an Excel sheet in a Word doc in the old days on
| Windows.) This feels like such an amazing organizational model
| for complex, multi-tool, project-based work. At least, that's how
| I'll use it. But this is only 2 minutes into my use of the
| product...
|
| Congrats, it's great. And the price is attractive too - this is
| one I really hope I end up subscribing to as I go through the
| trial.
| yodon wrote:
| Can you let me drag/add a slack message to a page with the
| message summary and link to the message just like I see when I
| reference a message somewhere in slack? I desperately want to be
| able to accumulate a stack of messages I need to follow up on or
| respond to, but without that auto-populating context thumbnail
| it's too hard to know which opaque link is which.
| attasi wrote:
| Dang, that's a pretty cool idea. We'll look into it!
| amznbyebyebye wrote:
| This would be awesome to have
| u2077 wrote:
| As others have mentioned, I want to try it first without having
| to create an account and give you my personal information.
|
| Also, your FAQ says "We do not track any personally identifiable
| information. Additionally we do not sell or share user data with
| third parties." but your privacy policy says " We may share your
| personal information with third party advertising companies to
| market our own Services and grow our Services' user base, such as
| to provide targeted marketing about our own Services via third-
| party services as described in the advertising purposes section
| above."
|
| I would like to use sign in with apple so I don't have to use my
| personal email, especially considering you cannot change your
| account email at this time.
|
| Looks like a great app from what I can see, but between obsidian
| & procreate my needs are covered without a subscription.
| jmann99999 wrote:
| I really like this. I use DEVONthink currently for most of my
| notes. However, I really like the "daily" note nature of this. I
| have a couple of questions that would make this very useful and
| maybe change my current process.
|
| First, can I tag parts of a daily note? My use-case would be
| tagging sections of a daily note related to a customer. In a
| given day, I may have 5 meetings with different customers. If I
| could tag each section with the customer name, it would help me
| in searching/reviewing those notes at a later time?
|
| Second, can I add a Surface to the daily note? My desire is to be
| able to draw with the Apple Pencil on the iOS app on my daily
| note, just like if I added a Surface to the Page Tree.
|
| Thanks and great job getting something fairly polished out the
| door.
|
| Edited for spelling
| attasi wrote:
| Thanks for the questions and ideas. We do support tags, which
| you can add inline using the format `#tagname`. This will
| create a Labels section in your sidebar which will show a list
| of all pages tagged with that. We've had many feature requests
| to make this more granular - to show blocks tagged with the
| labels - which we've been working on but haven't shipped yet.
| As for Surfaces on Daily Notes: I typically create a new
| Surface inline from Daily Notes by typing `[[Page Name`. This
| gives me a clean Surface to work on without messing with
| everything else going on in my day. It also generates a
| backlink for you from that Surface back to any days linking to
| it. Would love to hear if this helps your use cases at all.
| Thanks!
| jmann99999 wrote:
| Attasi-
|
| Thanks for the info. I tried your suggestions:
|
| _Labels:_ That worked really well for my use case once I
| figured out the non-stated trick. I kept trying to inline a
| #label. It didn 't work and I got frustrated until I realized
| I needed to be a Pro user to get this feature. So, you may
| want some messaging on that when someone tries to inline a
| label but they don't have the right plan.
|
| Of course, if it could deep link into the daily note that
| would be more useful, but I think you have heard that from
| others. The current state doesn't stop me from using it but
| deep linking would be much more useful.
|
| _Surfaces:_ From an input perspective that actually works
| far better than I suspected. However, my concern would be
| having so many surface pages in the Page Tree. Myestimate is
| that I draw on about 3 out of 5 notes. So in a month, my Page
| Tree would be overwhelmed. Perhaps there is a way auto-place
| these into a folder.
| attasi wrote:
| Oh, I should have mentioned labels were Pro only. Sorry
| about that. We should probably message in the app when
| trying to do it as well. Good call.
|
| Auto-placing pages is a pretty cool idea! We were
| considering making the Page Tree an opt-in area where you
| could just place pages you really need to build up in there
| and let you access everything else from the All Pages
| section.
| sahaskatta wrote:
| How does this compare to OneNote?
| astatine wrote:
| Looks very interesting. Any chance that it can be made to work
| with Remarkable?
| attasi wrote:
| Hmmm... We haven't looked into that, but it would be pretty
| neat!
| ketzo wrote:
| Despite many, many tries, I've never found a note taking tool
| that _really_ captures the way I think, and I until I do, I'll
| always welcome a new entry into the field.
|
| Congrats on launch and good luck!
| attasi wrote:
| Thanks! I'm curious to know more about how you think :) Why
| hasn't anything really capture it yet?
| awb wrote:
| Clover is a pretty well-used name. When searching for "Clover" on
| Google:
|
| https://www.clover.com/
|
| https://www.cloverfoodlab.com/
|
| https://www.clover.co/
|
| https://www.cloverhealth.com/
|
| When I hear "Clover", I think payment processing and health care.
| Apparently it's also a dating app and a food service.
|
| In a crowded namespace you might want to consider using a
| descriptive term like "Clover Notes" in your branding so people
| can find you better and mentally separate you from the other
| Clover companies out there.
|
| Also, when I hear "Surface", I think of the Microsoft laptop.
| They position "Surface" as a tool for creativity, productivity,
| efficiency, etc., much like you do. Are you sure you're in the
| clear to use that term?
|
| "Use Surface as a whiteboard for better brainstorming, enhanced
| memory, intuitive organization, and workflows you simply can't do
| elsewhere", seems like a statement that would easily apply to the
| Surface laptop.
| spoonjim wrote:
| You can't really trademark Surface since it's a generic word
| that describes the thing that it is, but Microsoft lawyers
| could probably make you regret testing that.
| awb wrote:
| Check this out: https://secureyourtrademark.com/can-you-
| trademark/common-wor...
|
| Apple got a trademark because it's not used to trademark
| fruit, it's used to trademark technology.
|
| Same here, "Surface" isn't being used to describe a physical
| surface, it's being used in both cases to describe technology
| that facilitates collaboration, creativity, productivity,
| etc.
|
| Imagine this out of context: "Log into Surface and enhance
| your creativity by collaborating live with others on your
| team through brainstorming, organizing and improving
| workflows."
|
| In pretty detailed terms you could describe both the
| Microsoft Surface and the Clover Surface products. Even if
| one is a physical product and the other digital, it's very
| confusing.
|
| I don't think Microsoft trademarked it, but it's still a
| little too close for my comfort as well as like you said
| there's no telling what the Microsoft lawyers will argue if
| motivated enough.
| spoonjim wrote:
| That's why I think that Microsoft could make it a painful
| experience but in general, both products do describe
| surfaces. The hardware is a physical surface and Clover has
| a virtual surface.
| attasi wrote:
| Yes. Clover is a widely used name and we _are_ exploring ways
| to differentiate that to help our findability. I like the
| "Clover Notes" suggestion!
| [deleted]
| leppr wrote:
| https://clover.finance/ launched in 2021
| dsomers wrote:
| I like the idea here, but it does not seem to support the Apple
| Pencil feature for handwriting to text when I try to write in
| text fields, which is a bit of a deal breaker for me. I hope you
| can fix that because I do like most everything else.
| g051051 wrote:
| I hate signing up for trials. And they committed a cardinal
| sin...adding me to a mailing list, even though I specifically
| left that box unchecked.
| anonymouse008 wrote:
| Very, very interesting... a few quick things:
|
| Events should be more group than single item, aka able to contain
| multiple note types, not just be assigned a surface or a note.
|
| Someone already mentioned the pen -- but that is table stakes for
| a hand written note app.
|
| Lastly, the canvas preview should be smooth, not 'gridded' as
| designed. I know that becomes a huge pain in the rear since
| everything has to be redrawn on the main thread... that said,
| these are the differences between good and great apps.
|
| ----
|
| Finally - these thoughts are only given because your team seems
| incredibly capable and brilliant. Very few could come up with
| paradigms such as these, and you deserve the success you seek.
| gesusc wrote:
| Thanks for the feedback and the kind words. We're always
| working to improve our hand writing features so stay tuned for
| that. I added all the other items to our list as well. Let us
| know if you think of anything else!
| attasi wrote:
| Thanks for the suggestions! Always pushing to move from "good
| to great." Love the idea of multiple notes per event.
| leppr wrote:
| _> ideas on how to improve it_
|
| - E2EE
|
| Anecdotal personal data point: I already pay $10/mo for an E2EE
| note app with a passable/mediocre UX. I would easily pay up to
| $15/mo for a polished experience like your app seems to have, and
| more if it becomes part of my professional workflow.
|
| - Android and Linux support
|
| For personal use, you may have no issue ignoring these market
| segments, but it might be a hard sell for teams. One of the great
| thing about an app like Notion.so is that it works everywhere and
| you don't need to buy your team members specialized devices just
| to interact with the project stack.
|
| Otherwise I'm really curious to see how you handle the transition
| of an infinite 2D space created on large screens to smaller
| devices, whether it's collapsing the space in some way, or using
| bespoke navigation controls.
| attasi wrote:
| Thanks for sharing. We do feel a need to provide Android
| support even for personal use cases, so we're working on that.
| Completely agree that it's critical for teams, too.
|
| Transitioning infinite space on mobile works to varying degrees
| depending on the content. Treating the documents like editable
| maps works relatively well especially for the consumption
| experience. We're iterating on some ideas on how to improve
| editing there as well. We've seen some tools completely ignore
| coordinates and place everything in one scrolling section, but
| we feel that is very detrimental to the mental model you
| construct of your documents and aspire to maintain space while
| still providing a smooth UX.
| xanaxagoras wrote:
| Couldn't agree more. My trust in third parties holding my data
| is approaching zero. Anything that holds deeply personal
| information like this without e2ee is a non-starter.
| boxmonster wrote:
| My experience in case it helps:
|
| Open it up, looks like mobile only. I do my planning an
| organizing on my big desktop monitor with good keyboard so this
| is a no go
|
| Wants my email a lot. Maybe this guy is harvesting Hacker News
| emails
|
| Subscription model. I hate those because I always forget to
| cancel. Besides I have free and open source note takers that are
| pretty good. Not everything I want but good.
|
| Someone asked about Desktop further down in comments so you gave
| them a link
|
| https://cloverapp.com/download
|
| Download a large Electron app. Windows 11 refuses to run it
| because it's untrusted but I are smart and know how to get around
| that
|
| If can do an Electron app why not just make it a website for
| people to try?
|
| Asks for my email again.
|
| It wants to connect to me Google Calendar and Email. It looks
| like a simplified interface to those two tools.
|
| Sketchpad is an interesting idea. They've been tried since the
| 90's but maybe these guys got it right.
|
| edit: I use Obsidian. They got me to become addicted to their
| software by having no fanfare or ceremony and allowing me to see
| what's great about it right away by trying it. It opens to a big
| download button. It doesn't ask for email. It's free forever for
| personal use.
| smoldesu wrote:
| > I use Obsidian. They got me to become addicted to their
| software by having no fanfare or ceremony and allowing me to
| see what's great about it right away by trying it. It opens to
| a big download button. It doesn't ask for email. It's free
| forever for personal use.
|
| I know other people are giving you shit for this, but I'm
| exactly the same way. Combined with Syncthing, other software
| (particularly paid stuff like this) doesn't look even remotely
| capable in comparison. People hydroplane over the essentials
| and then act surprised when their unicorn app isn't the runaway
| success it should have been.
|
| Dear Notes Apps:
|
| Everyone else has already done you, and better. If you want to
| compete (like, actually compete), you have to match them on
| features _and_ be better somehow. Things like being "cloud-
| based" are not selling points; they're detriments when compared
| to your competitors.
| gesusc wrote:
| Hey thanks for checking us out. We do have a web app available
| that can be accessed here https://app.cloverapp.com/login. We
| are cloud based which is why we require you to create an
| account to use the app. With that being said we offer a free
| plan (that has some limitations) and a free Pro plan trial
| (with no credit card required) so you can try out all the Pro
| features beforehand. Hope that helps!
| boxmonster wrote:
| I definitely will. The sketch feature could be really useful.
| CedarMills wrote:
| >Besides I have free and open source...
|
| Waiting for the obligatory Dropbox comment here.
| boxmonster wrote:
| Not from me. I personally don't need Dropbox but I can see
| the utility if a company want to share a 1 TB storage area
| between employees. I'm guessing that's how it's used since
| I've never used it.
| boxmonster wrote:
| >Besides I have free and open source
|
| I took a look in my note taking bookmarks folder to see
| what I meant. I thought Obsidian was open source but it's
| not. I was thinking of Joplin, which I haven't tried yet,
| but will today
|
| https://joplinapp.org/
| urlwolf wrote:
| Wonderful take on what's missing in current notetaking. Agree
| that text editors are not good for thinking (forcing the
| constraint of linearity "Great ideas don't flow out of us with a
| beginning, a middle and an end"
|
| I use only native apps for thinking. Latency kills my train of
| thought. And web apps have plenty! Both typing latency
| (typometer, a java app, shows 45ms in best case scenario!) and
| creation/navigation latency (going back to a previous page,
| creating a new one). But I know my requirements are pretty
| unique, I'm not representative of the general public. Best of
| luck!
| FajitaNachos wrote:
| The hover effect on the buttons on the home page are so nice. I
| haven't seen it before and absolutely love it.
| attasi wrote:
| Feel free to steal them! I can send you the React components if
| helpful :)
| 0x0000000 wrote:
| This looks really interesting, and you're speaking right to me
| with things like "infinite canvas" and "work in any direction",
| it's exactly what I've been looking for (and disappointed with
| current apps, e.g Miro).
|
| That said, I would never use something like this on a
| subscription model.
| attasi wrote:
| Hey, subscriptions aren't for everyone. We do offer a free plan
| with up to 1,000 blocks, so if you are diligent about cleaning
| up work later, you might be able to use it free for a while.
| delinikiblakb wrote:
| jitl wrote:
| Cool app! I think your design and messaging are well-positioned,
| I would pick this over Craft as a personal user for sure.
|
| What data model are you using for collaboration/sync?
| attasi wrote:
| Appreciate that, thanks! Our collaboration model is similar to
| that of Notion under the hood. It's operation based and
| resolves conflicts using a last-edit-wins on a granular level.
| jmkd wrote:
| Looking good. You got me with the Goldeneye references in the
| Feature Overview. Am now culturally obliged to try and make this
| work for me :)
| attasi wrote:
| Just understand that we have a "No Oddjob" rule :)
| kndjckt wrote:
| Love this! Current user of Notion (structured planning +
| sharing), Bear (small on the go notes (mobile mainly), Roam (work
| + research notes), and Noteshelf (any written notes + sketches).
| Will be interesting to see if this can replace some of these.
| I'll write feedback here if I have any. :)
| azinman2 wrote:
| Curious why/how you use multiple apps that seem to cover the
| same basic functionality?
| jamesTurnbull98 wrote:
| I've been using this for a month or so and find it incredibly
| useful. Job well done Clover team!
| threwawasy1228 wrote:
| I've said this many times but I dislike that I have to make an
| account before I even know what the product is or if I will like
| it enough to justify an account. I hunted around for a sec and I
| could not find anything that would let me see a real demo or
| example of the product that didn't require making an account.
|
| Doing something like Airtable[0] is much more effective (not
| affiliated just a product I use), where I can go from the landing
| page to embedded product demos that require no login in seconds.
| It would be great to have something embedded like this or more
| detailed screencaps at least which showcase the product prior to
| me having to sign in.
|
| [0] https://www.airtable.com/templates
| adi_lancey wrote:
| Interesting comment and felt like I was supposed to find this!
| My team is actually working on something along those lines so
| companies can directly embed a "demo-able" version of their
| product whether its on their website, sales outreach, or share
| through emails without opening up their actual product to
| everyone.
|
| Check us out (still in beta but I want to practice what I
| preach and get my own product on our page once its a bit more
| polished): https://www.getlancey.com/
| visarga wrote:
| I searched around for about 10 seconds, didn't find a way to
| demo or see a video, turned back.
| blitz_skull wrote:
| How does this differentiate at all from NotePlan3? Just from the
| landing page is looks damn near identical.
| yodon wrote:
| Not from Clover, but my read on differences is Clover has an
| infinite canvas for drawing & widgets and cross-platform app
| support. They share support for Markup, Tasks, and Calendar.
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| ianstormtaylor wrote:
| Absolutely love the idea of combining regular note taking with
| the power of an infinite canvas. Congrats on the launch!
| attasi wrote:
| Thanks Ian!
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