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Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local
media report
Author : pizza
Score : 198 points
Date : 2022-01-10 15:53 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| mrweasel wrote:
| Two newspapers have also refused to let the police question their
| journalists, because it's not specified why they want to
| interview them, and given that they won't name sources,
| questioning becomes pointless.
| duxup wrote:
| Do those requests usually go through a newspaper and not to the
| individual?
| hutzlibu wrote:
| Maybe, but since it is work related, the individual
| journalist can still informs their newspaper and lawers who
| can take action.
| [deleted]
| mrweasel wrote:
| No, they go to the individual, as explained in a debate on
| Danish TV yesterday. The journalists then bring the
| information to their employeers, which call their lawyers and
| handle the matter from there.
|
| The journalists aren't legally required to allow themselfs to
| be questioned. That's only if the case goes to court, but no
| one is refusing to testify in that case, because then the
| charges are public and a judge is present.
| danielovichdk wrote:
| "Microsofts datacenterregion vil sikre Forsvaret adgang til IT-
| og datakapacitet, som vi ikke kan udvikle selv. Mange af de
| losninger, vi er afhaengige af i fremtiden - inklusive losninger,
| der bygger pa kunstig intelligens - kraever computerkraft, der
| kun er mulig ved brug af cloud-losninger. Jeg ser derfor frem til
| samarbejdet med Microsoft i forhold til de konkrete muligheder,
| som den nye datacenterregion abner for Forsvaret," siger Kristian
| Vengsgaard, Chief Information Officer i Forsvaret"
|
| Source:
|
| https://news.microsoft.com/da-dk/2020/12/07/microsoft-invest...
| danielovichdk wrote:
| Translated
|
| "Microsoft's data center region will ensure the Armed Forces
| access to IT and data capacity that we cannot develop
| ourselves. Many of the solutions we depend on in the future -
| including solutions based on artificial intelligence - require
| computing power that is only possible using cloud solutions. I
| therefore look forward to the collaboration with Microsoft in
| relation to the specific opportunities that the new data center
| region opens up for the Armed Forces, "says Kristian
| Vengsgaard, Chief Information Officer in the Armed Forces"
| HumanReadable wrote:
| I have a feeling the computing demand for every AI use case the
| Danish military could want to pursue, could be met by a few
| mainframes with fewer security risks. Given the work that goes
| into verifying the data center meets some assumably very high
| requirements, I imagine mainframes might even be the cheaper
| solution too.
|
| Seems to me like yet another example of companies successfully
| lobbying governments to buy unnecessary things.
| Mizza wrote:
| Secret charges and courts corrupt democratic society.
| Extrajudicial "intelligence" agencies must be dismantled.
| kzrdude wrote:
| Maybe arresting the director is a good first step? (Alas, it is
| not, because the conflict seems to be mostly about leaking info
| about the security state operations to media, not doing any
| such operations that they shouldn't have.)
| tomjen3 wrote:
| We have lots of secret charges in Denmark. Usually it is
| because there are more than one person involved and we don't
| want to tip anybody of.
|
| Often the identity of the person involved is also secret, but
| that is to protected that person, in case he or she is
| innocent. Such orders are always removed when the person is
| found guilty (to my knowledge anyway).
|
| I think charges have to be revealed when the actual proceedings
| start, and of course the defendant and their lawyers know.
| throwaway4good wrote:
| This is an absolutely bonkers story by Danish standard. The guy
| is amongst the highest ranking civil servants, holds the order of
| Dannebro. On top of this a number of Danish journalists have been
| "taken in for a chat" by the intelligence services.
|
| The charges are still secret, but appears to be related to this
| story:
|
| Danish secret service helped US spy on Germany's Angela Merkel:
| report
|
| https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on...
| miohtama wrote:
| Do fiber cables land in Denmark, or what special does Denmark
| have to make it a good partner for NSA?
| poizan42 wrote:
| Exactly, more specifically Blabjerg is one of the landing
| points of TAT-14 as well as Havfrue/AEC-2.
| hammock wrote:
| They are Nine Eyes (coalition that excludes Germany),
| willingly cooperative and with different charter/regulations
| than NSA. Bit of a tautological answer and I hope another
| commenter has more insight.
| 4gotunameagain wrote:
| https://www.submarinecablemap.com/
|
| Also Denmark has been a US protectorate for quite a while for
| reasons (e.g. Thule airforce base)
| pc86 wrote:
| "Protectorate" has a very specific definition and Denmark
| is most certainly not one.
| phkahler wrote:
| When the head of the agency can't stop the agency from doing
| something he doesn't like...
| keewee7 wrote:
| If anyone is doubting how much influence US intelligence has
| over Danish intelligence:
|
| >Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the
| Danish foreign and finance ministries as well as a Danish
| weapons manufacturer. The FE also cooperated with the NSA on
| spying operations against the US government itself.
|
| https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on...
|
| The NSA made the Danish FE spy on both the Danish and US
| government. That is wild.
| samwillis wrote:
| > "The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations
| against the US government itself."
|
| It's long be standard practice for intelligence agencies in
| 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens when
| it would be illegal to do so themselves.
|
| The NSA for example would find it difficult to spy on
| Senators, this is there way around it. And there is no
| denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the last four
| years.
| hlbjhblbljib wrote:
| > It's long be standard practice for intelligence agencies
| in 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens
| when it would be illegal to do so themselves.
|
| This goes against the actual agreements in place, where
| they have to treat the other citizens as their countries
| do.
| skrebbel wrote:
| > And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause
| to in the last four years.
|
| Isn't this the same as saying that you don't think there
| should be fundamental rights for people you don't agree
| with?
| samwillis wrote:
| Not at all, it's saying that sometimes rules have to bent
| in order for the intelligence services to go about their
| mission to protect the citizens of their country
| (including their rights). Sometimes potential threats
| come from within (even potentially from government
| ministers or civil servants) making them legally
| difficult to investigate quickly. Asking their mates to
| take a "quick look" is a good way of checking out if
| there is a problem that warrants further investigation.
|
| Having said all that, I'm no expert, I'm just a John Le
| Carre fan.
| jonnybgood wrote:
| Collection and analysis of intelligence on a US person by a
| US intelligence agency is subjected to the same laws no
| matter where it came from. There is no way around it. If
| GCHQ collected and NSA analyzed and used that intelligence
| in any way then the law regarding US persons applies. I'm
| not aware of anywhere in the law that makes exceptions for
| these cases.
| jollybean wrote:
| There are practical reasons for the US to work with
| Danish intelligence (and others) that would have nothing
| to do with circumventing the law.
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| There is a way around it for people subject to a
| background investigation. The 4A gets suspended for them
| by EO12333. Technically not "the law" but you don't see
| Congress doing anything about executive overreach.
| Mikeb85 wrote:
| > And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause
| to in the last four years.
|
| If there's actually reasonable cause go to a court, get a
| warrant and investigate.
| mannerheim wrote:
| We can't let archaic and outdated conventions like the
| Fourth Amendment get in the way of protecting citizens
| from themselves.
| vintermann wrote:
| Getting a hand-picked guy in a wig to sign off on it is
| just too much effort.
| JackFr wrote:
| > The NSA for example would find it difficult to spy on
| Senators,
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-
| spy...
| artificialLimbs wrote:
| >> And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause
| to in the last four years.
|
| Yea who needs laws when we can just instate shadow
| government agencies with shadow budgets and their own set
| of alternative laws.
| samwillis wrote:
| That's not for a second what I am suggesting.
| netizen-936824 wrote:
| Really? Because from your original comment, the NSA is
| circumventing protections that are in place to spy on US
| citizens
|
| That is _exactly_ what you are suggesting. These rules
| should not be "bent" because there are legal mechanisms
| to investigate that are being blatantly bypassed to make
| things easier
| samwillis wrote:
| First, artificialLimbs comment has been edited and toned
| down significantly since it was first posted.
|
| Second, my personal opinion on how intelligent agency's
| operate is irrelevant. I am only trying to inform on my
| understanding how they sometimes operate in relation to
| the original far more interesting article.
|
| Checks and balances are obviously essential and are the
| priority in all cases.
|
| Finally, while I don't believe in the boogie man, people,
| anyone, can be bad.
| [deleted]
| artificialLimbs wrote:
| >> First, artificialLimbs comment has been edited and
| toned down significantly since it was first posted.
|
| No it wasn't. Unless you could see what I typed into the
| web form before I hit submit.
|
| >> while I don't believe in the boogie man
|
| Well you should. They're here. They are the NSA, the FBI,
| the CIA, and other government agencies that regularly
| operate out of bounds of legality. If the horrible things
| that they have done and continue to do don't shock you
| and create the desire for their radical change or
| elimination entirely, you are stupid or malicious.
| samwillis wrote:
| Apologies if I'm mistaken, I just thought I recalled it
| being phrased differently. I'm not renowned for my short
| term memory.
|
| I'm not American and so have little interest in their
| internal politics other than as a spectator.
| netizen-936824 wrote:
| I think you should be interested, because whether you
| like it or not the politics and actions of these
| organisations effect _everyone globally_
|
| That's why we should all care
| tomjen3 wrote:
| This may be an extreme belief, but I don't think we need
| intelligence services to operate anywhere wear regular
| courts would be an answer. The FBI can get a warrant if
| they have a reason and the intelligence services obviously
| don't stop things they should, such as corruption and child
| sex abuse.
| jollybean wrote:
| It's not wild at all.
|
| A Danish arms manufacturer planning on doing a deal with
| Gaddaffi during sanctions era?
|
| A member of the White House in Europe to meet with Russian
| contacts, off his calendar, in the middle of an investigation
| into possible illicit ties between the White House and
| Russia?
|
| The Head of US Olympics suspected of taking of bribes, having
| meeting with Addidas in Copenhagen with big money changing
| hands?
|
| There are plenty of things like that going on.
| LatteLazy wrote:
| People think it's west Vs China or USA vs others. It's not.
| It's these "services" Vs the people they're meant to be
| serving.
| skinkestek wrote:
| It is also the west vs China.
|
| Although not Westerners against Chinese (my kids are
| welcome to play with the Chinese kids next door and the
| Chinese next door are just as welcome as any other neighbor
| to a garden party).
|
| But it should be the world against crimes against humanity.
|
| And then we Westerners will also have to clean up our own
| systems; that is just as important, but a smaller task.
| trasz wrote:
| It's not China who killed million random civilians in the
| Middle East. Was there a more severe crime against
| humanity in the past two decades?
| dybber wrote:
| And it has been going on for 25 years, the deal being cited
| as the reason Bill Clinton visited Denmark in the 90's (we
| usually never get visits from US presidents)
| decebalus1 wrote:
| Do you mean 'Dannebrog' (Dannebrogordenen)?
|
| Dannebro reads like a title a fraternity would give you
| cinntaile wrote:
| Welcome to our secret order where everyone is called Daniel,
| we're all brothers.
| throwaway4good wrote:
| Yeah - missing the g - it is serious business in dk though:
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dannebrog
| kzrdude wrote:
| The 'g' is not sounded out loud anyway in Dannebrog, so your
| interpretation still lives, I can happily report.
| pomdapi wrote:
| Oh jeez, so that bunch of drunk Danish students I've seen
| do all the bars in the street was in fact a wild pack of
| Dannebros...
|
| Duly noted.
| rvense wrote:
| Exactly. If you prononuce it "Dannebrok" we will complain.
| dirtyid wrote:
| Was matter of time before effected EU countries start tackling US
| infiltration. Surprised this is handled so publically.
| olliej wrote:
| Seems like the type of group we could definitely trust to have
| access to "emergency use only" back doors in encryption
| algorithms.
| topper-123 wrote:
| The timeline of this is very strange:
|
| - in august he had been put on administrative leave
|
| - he was imprisoned on the 9th of december
|
| - on the 13th of december an independant commission set up by
| parliament (consisting of three judges) exponerated everyone
| implicated in this case
|
| - on the 14th of december, the minister of defence welcomed him
| back to work
|
| - today, 10th of january the public learned for the first time
| that he was imprisoned and still is imprisoned.
|
| So even though he was exonerated by the independent commitee AND
| welcomed back by the minister, he is actually in prison. Very
| strange situation, makes we wonder if there are aspects of the
| case the public does not know about, or if someone has made an
| enormous error.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| > experated
|
| I assume this is a typo for exonerated?
| pfortuny wrote:
| That means to irritate but guess he meant exonerated.
| topper-123 wrote:
| Yes, corrected.
| willhslade wrote:
| Ah, yes, exponerated.
| speed_spread wrote:
| Innocence, squared.
| tgv wrote:
| The earlier case was about handling data of Danish citizens,
| according to the Dutch news agency, which had been denounced by
| the oversight authority.
| SiempreViernes wrote:
| The charges are about leaking to the media, not for breaking
| the law when spying on Danes, the latter being what the
| commission was set up to investigate.
| vintermann wrote:
| So they exonerated everyone for the spying, and punished the
| guy who revealed the spying?
| nerdponx wrote:
| Seems reasonable from an "evil authoritarian" perspective.
| Make a show of trying people for spying (but don't actually
| convict anyone!) for the public, and then really punish the
| person who blew the cover on the operation.
| dannyw wrote:
| Yes.
| SiempreViernes wrote:
| I guess the conclusion they only did legal spying, and that
| any errors where accidental and not systematic breaches of
| the law so it was ok? Don't know what the commission
| concluded (most details are probably secret anyway).
| luser007 wrote:
| A bit of background:
|
| Since WW2 Denmark has aligned itself with the US. This has been
| the consensus since then across all the major parties
| (Conservatives, Liberals, Social-Liberals and Social-Democratic
| (with a noteworthy exception[1])).
|
| The stance has during all those years from time to time been
| challenged by fringe parties like the Communist Party and the
| far-right Progress Party (who suggested that the Danish defence
| budget should be cut entirely and replaced with a answering
| machine saying "we surrender" in Russian).
|
| The Danish populace has not always wanted this "hard alignment".
| As an example, Denmark would not allow American bases in Denmark
| (contrary to UK, Germany, etc). But we allowed the Americans to
| build an Airforce Base at Thule on Greenland
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Air_Base).
|
| The Social-Democratic prime ministers also communicated publicly,
| that Denmark would not allow nuclear weapons in peacetime. Yet,
| it was communicated to the American ambassador in 1960 that
| Denmark would ignore it, if US had nuclear weapons at Thule (as
| long as they didn't tell anyone). All was well until 1968 when an
| American B-52 crashes near Thule with thermonuclear bombs on
| board. It is worth noting that English wikipedia does not have an
| account of the incident, but the Danish does:
| https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule-sagen_(1968)
|
| Well, the cold war "won" and after 1990s aligned even more with
| the US. In the late 90s the previously state-owned TeleDanmark
| company (telephony monopoly) was privatized and sold to the
| American company Ameritech beginning in 1997.
|
| Around the same time the Americans approached the Danish
| politicians again. And a deal similar to the nuclear weapons on
| Greenland was reached: "You're allowed to use our infrastructure
| to spy on people, but we're not going to make it official". As
| the same time Denmark was in "the coalition of the willing"
| sending troops to both Iraq and Afghanistan.
|
| Now, it is worth noting, that this is not a partisan issue within
| the Danish political elite. We've had Conservative, Liberal and
| Social-Democratic Ministers of Defence the last twenty years and
| they have all been briefed about this cooperation. The same goes
| for their permanent secretaries.
|
| Snowden revealed a lot about this cooperation back in 2015. The
| "nifty" part from the American perspective is, that they can tell
| the Danish "We won't spy on Danish people, only foreigners". They
| then approach Britain and says: "We won't spy on British people,
| only foreigners". The do the same with Norway, The Netherlands
| etc. and... well, suddenly they're able to spy on all Europeans.
| Denmark has a great position for spying because a lot of traffic
| from Eastern Europe travels through Denmark (and Sweden, but they
| are not part of NATO). Also, hearsay is that the spying on German
| Chancellor Merkel was done from Denmark.
|
| Around 2014 the Danish politicians decided to establish "Tilsynet
| med EfterretningsTjenesterne" (TET) aka. "Supervisory Authority
| on the Intelligence Agencies" to keep an eye on the intelligence
| agencies replacing some toothless organisation that previously
| had the task.
|
| In 2020 TET made a press release: "We cannot get the information
| we require from the intelligence agencies". The Minister of
| Defence at this time is Trine Bramsen, who is most known for
| complaining about nerds being hard to approach and understand for
| her friends and it is impossible to understand why they all wear
| white tennis socks (I kid you not:
| https://www.version2.dk/blog/opraab-til-it-noerderne-smid-te... -
| use Google translate for a cringe experience).
|
| She is totally clueless.
|
| But that was great in this situation, because as any politician
| she wants to show how she can solve issues in a resolute manner.
| So she sends home a bunch of civil servants (including head of
| the Defence Intelligence Agency, a previous permanent secretary,
| etc. The top brass). Apparently she didn't get (or understand)
| the verbal memo about: "Don't ask and don't tell about our
| cooperation with the Americans".
|
| Like an elephant in a porcelain store.
|
| And retired Ministers of Defence were all gunning at her for
| "ruining the cooperation with our greatest allies" etc. They, of
| course, do not want it to be revealed, that they had this
| information.
|
| Well. Time passes. And just before Christmas it was announced
| that the matter has been investigated. The public are not allowed
| to hear, what has been investigated. Or who. But the conclusion
| is that the intelligence agencies has done nothing wrong. Nothing
| to see here. Move along.
|
| A couple of days later, the directors (not the editors!) at a
| couple of major newspapers are called to a meeting with the head
| of the Police Intelligence Agency and the Defence Military Agency
| (temp head) where they are politely told: "We just want to let
| you know, that harming our cooperation with foreign powers carry
| a 12 year sentence" (it's a very long sentence in Danish terms).
|
| The Police Intelligence Agency has been playing "whack a mole",
| literally, for some time: Who leaked to TET? Who leaked to the
| press?
|
| We are currently in a situation, where the state-sponsored
| national Danish broadcaster (DR) is reporting, that the Police
| Intelligence Agency (PET) has been surveilling, including wire-
| tapping, the head of the Defence Intelligence Agency:
| https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/hemmelig-pet-taskforce-afl...
| (again, Google translate).
|
| I hope this provides some context. There has since the 1960s been
| an understanding in the top of Danish society that "The Americans
| are our friends, we cannot say 'no'.". Even if the Danish
| population has been kept in the dark. A clueless Minister of
| Defence by accident kicks the hornet's nest and now somebody must
| take the fall. But be aware that they're all in on it. No
| minister (left or right) is innocent and the same goes for the
| civil servants at the very top.
|
| But it is not all bad! Whereas Germany was earlier our primary
| trading partner, Denmark nowadays export more to the US than to
| our neighbouring country. A few dead soldiers and no privacy for
| your population was totally worth it.
|
| [1] During the 1980s some parts of the Social-Democrats wanted
| Denmark to re-align. This caused the so-called "footnote
| politic". Whenever NATO wanted to take some initiative, the
| Danish foreign minister had to negotiate footnotes saying
| "Denmark is not part of this and that".
| shantara wrote:
| Thank you! This was a very enlightening comment, which adds a
| lot more context to this news story.
| jollybean wrote:
| So before the tiny Danish nation of just few million people was
| allied with the US, you were occupied by the Germans, your Jews
| exported and murdered, many citizens dead.
|
| And the Americans (and English, Canadians etc.) liberated you.
|
| And then for decades, you were up against the Soviet Empire
| where the Americans provide a pillar of security.
|
| And somehow this relationship with the Americans is bad,
| exactly how?
|
| You haven't provided any evidence of wrongdoing in terms of
| cooperation with the Americans.
|
| The US collects intelligence on everyone - so does Germany. And
| the UK. And ... Denmark. That's normal in 2021.
| luser007 wrote:
| Arguing that "it's okay to do it because the others do it as
| well" is kindergarten-level argumentation.
|
| A key factor in a friendly relationship is to be able to tell
| your friend "no" without him/her getting angry. If one of the
| people in a relationship is forced to be subservient at all
| times we normally call it an abusive relationship.
|
| And I think you kinda missed the point: Danish politicians
| have done everything in their power to please the US since
| the 1960s and have done so increasingly since Bill Clinton
| was president. That's fine, if they told the populace that is
| what they're doing. Instead what they're doing is making
| hidden agreements with the US, that includes spying on our
| closest allies and neighbours
| (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-
| spie...) all the while they tell the Danish people that it is
| impossible to say if Americans are spying in Denmark.
|
| If it is such a great benefit to Denmark to act as a lap dog
| for the US, you would think the Danish politicians was proud
| of it, wouldn't you?
| znd wrote:
| The english Wikipedia seems to have the article of the
| B52-crash in Thule here:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash
| luser007 wrote:
| Thanks for the correction! Didn't find it at first.
|
| It supports my assertion that the Danish politicians
| "indicated" something to the Americans and told the Danish
| public something else:
|
| " Denmark's nuclear-free zone policy originated in 1957, when
| the coalition government decided in the lead-up to the Paris
| NATO summit not to stockpile nuclear weapons on its soil in
| peacetime.[77][78] The presence of the bomber in Greenland
| airspace in 1968 therefore triggered public suspicions and
| accusations that the policy was being violated.
|
| [...]
|
| The report blamed Danish Prime Minister H. C. Hansen for
| intentionally introducing ambiguity in the Danish-U.S.
| security agreement: he was not asked about, nor did he
| mention, the official Danish nuclear policy when meeting with
| the United States ambassador in 1957 to discuss Thule Air
| Base. Hansen followed up the discussion with an infamous
| letter pointing out that the issue of "supplies of munition
| of a special kind" was not raised during the discussion, but
| that he had nothing further to add.[87] In doing so, the
| report concluded, he tacitly gave the United States the go-
| ahead to store nuclear weapons at Thule.[88]
|
| [...]
|
| The report also confirmed that the United States stockpiled
| nuclear weapons in Greenland until 1965, contradicting
| assurances by Danish foreign minister Niels Helveg Petersen
| that the weapons were in Greenland's airspace, but never on
| the ground."
| lloydjones wrote:
| Borgen prophesised this!
| csa wrote:
| My guess is that this guy said "no" to the wrong person, and this
| is payback.
|
| I will also guess that this chief is probably on the ethically
| correct side of the situation.
| hutzlibu wrote:
| Do you have more information, than what is written in that
| article?
|
| Because I see your conclusion only as a vague possible
| hypothesis among many other options.
|
| And intelligence services are by default usually into very
| grey, if not dark areas of ethics. So all this might just as
| well be an internal power struggle of which the public will
| only get to view a very distorted picture, of what was actually
| going on.
| vintermann wrote:
| Not really. He's charged with leaking to the media. There's
| only one story that's been recently leaked to the media: The
| one about helping NSA to spy on domestic and allied political
| leaders.
|
| Intelligence agencies can only wish they were able to distort
| the picture for the public reliably, and frequently mess
| things up.
|
| So the most likely explanation is the obvious, apparent one:
| He was shocked at the extent of the friendly spying, and
| leaked it to the media once it became clear it would be
| buried.
|
| The interesting thing is how Denmark will handle this.
| csa wrote:
| > Do you have more information, than what is written in that
| article?
|
| No specifics, and I doubt that there will ever be any more
| unclassified specifics.
|
| That said, this is SOP for some sectors of the world.
|
| > Because I see your conclusion only as a vague possible
| hypothesis among many other options.
|
| Sure. That is probably how it will remain.
|
| > And intelligence services are by default usually into very
| grey, if not dark areas of ethics.
|
| Yep.
|
| > So all this might just as well be an internal power
| struggle of which the public will only get to view a very
| distorted picture, of what was actually going on.
|
| Yep.
| beebeepka wrote:
| I was going to say "that's what you get" which would be pretty
| much the same.
|
| An interesting case indeed. I hope more info surfaces. We know
| things are bad, question is in what exact ways. Maybe something
| of substance will trickle down to us mortals.
| [deleted]
| irthomasthomas wrote:
| Is this related to "Major Danish newspaper apologises for only
| covering government Covid narrative "
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29872162
| kzrdude wrote:
| I don't see any connection at all
| mrweasel wrote:
| It should be noted to our American friends that their reasoning
| isn't some anti vaccine agenda, but the lack of critism of a
| government exibiting a more totalitarion retroric than Denmark
| is acustom to. There has been little critisim of the Covid
| handling until late last year, but a series of logical failures
| between the presented policies and actual implementation are
| now being reported on.
| neom wrote:
| He allegedly leaked information to their domestic media about
| the NSA working with the Danish on spying missions.
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