[HN Gopher] Internet debates have raged for too long - Let's Set...
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Internet debates have raged for too long - Let's Settle This
Author : sangeeth96
Score : 26 points
Date : 2022-01-09 20:24 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| newobj wrote:
| Unlike all the other questions which are subjective or
| philosophical, it's gif with a J for f*s sake. It's what we
| called it in the 80s, it's what the creator called it, it's Jif
| goddamnit.
| strombofulous wrote:
| It's true that the creator pronounces it with a J, but take a
| look at the slide he used to announce his thoughts on the
| matter https://www.chicagonow.com/lists-that-actually-
| matter/files/...
|
| (what letters are used to describe how the word "gif" should
| not be pronounced?)
| spicyusername wrote:
| Nothing is static, life is a moving river.
|
| Doesn't matter what it was, "G"if is what it is. Who knows what
| it will be.
| kyruzic wrote:
| People for some reason think that they get to decide how to
| pronounce a name rather than the creator of the name. Oh well.
| Its an easy way to determine someone's level of internet
| knowledge.
| antiterra wrote:
| Plenty of people in the BBS days didn't say it that way and
| creators aren't guaranteed control over the way their work is
| interpreted.
|
| Plus, pronunciations change. I assume you don't go around
| demanding people pronounce knife 'kunifuh,' right?
| kyruzic wrote:
| You realize you are actually arguing in favour of calling it
| like jiffy right? Because a direct reading of knife makes it
| kunifuh, and a direct reading of gif makes it the incorrect
| pronounciation as well.
| throwaway2331 wrote:
| Do you also pronounce gun as jun?
|
| How about girl as jirl?
|
| Giraffe as jiraffe?
|
| Frankly, I reserve my right to not care and have fun with
| language -- instead of being a curmudgeon (there's no point
| except to feel better about oneself).
| rat9988 wrote:
| The author has been clear it shouls be pronounced as J.
|
| > Giraffe as jiraffe? ??
| rcdemski wrote:
| I prefer to pronounce it Jithub
| croisillon wrote:
| I believe Giraffe is pronounced Jiraffe?
| INTPenis wrote:
| This is just like the scsi debate a geographical issue.
| Internet is world wide so you will have people from all over
| the world pronouncing things their own way. And that way is the
| only right way, the hard g.
| dahart wrote:
| Correct. Jraphics Interchange Format. :P. My friends and I
| called it Gif-with-a-hard-G all through the (late) 80s (edit:
| more like the 90s, but anyway) and unlike now, nobody corrected
| us then. I never heard the format's creator pronounce it
| though.
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| You do you, but Graphics having a hard G doesn't force GIF to
| any more than the Amplification in LASER forces the
| pronunciation of its A or the S from stimulated, or the E
| from emission. Or do you and your friends also say "lasseer"
| instead of "layzur"?
| Traster wrote:
| Gif vs jif? Isn't that like asking "Do you pronounce it like it's
| pronounced or like a different word is pronounced"
| mdoms wrote:
| Is it pronounced "gist" or "jist"? "Gem" or "jem"? "Giraffe" or
| "jiraffe"?
| sdenton4 wrote:
| Gingko or jingko? Given our jiven? Give or jive? Gill or
| Jill? Giddy or jiddy?
|
| Both patterns exist in the language.
| OldTimeCoffee wrote:
| > Give or jive?
|
| These are both words pronounced really differently, though.
| Give is a hard 'g' short 'i', jive is a 'j' and a long 'i'.
|
| I'd like to add 'Gaol' or 'Jail'? Debra vs Zebra (These are
| pronounced differently in the US).
| tremon wrote:
| Is it pronounced "beard" or "heard"? "Tear" or "tear"?
| "Grieve" or "sieve"? "Lover" or "clover"? "Device" or
| "crevice"?
|
| You're implying that there should be a logical correspondence
| between how English words sound and how they're spelled. I'm
| not convinced that is true.
| jffry wrote:
| Yeah a better option would be "like Gift" or "like Jiffy"
| xdennis wrote:
| Or, "Do you pronounce 'GIF' like 'giant/ginger/gibbon' or
| incorrectly?
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| > Or, "Do you pronounce 'GIF' like 'giant/ginger/gibbon' or
| incorrectly?
|
| ...you are aware that "gibbon" isn't pronounced with /dZ/?
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| A more better option would be "like Gin or like Ginkgo"
| because it makes it obvious that the "gift has a hard G,
| therefore..." people have made a mistake.
|
| So many people come up with so many fake rules for why it
| should have a hard G, but there are only two real rules for
| names, and, yes, GIF is a name (of a format). 1) If the named
| thing can't speak for itself, the people who named it dictate
| how the name is pronounced. 2) If it can speak for itself, it
| dictates. Nobody who isn't the named thing or its namer(s)
| gets to say how its name is pronounced regardless of what
| they think of the spelling.
| thebuzzsaw wrote:
| Nah. People don't get to change the rules. I can't tell you my
| name is spelled K-Y-L-E and insist it is pronounced "Mark". GIF
| is a crappy image format. JIF is peanut butter.
| robbedpeter wrote:
| My name is Blarfengar, spelled S-M-I-T-H.
| fouc wrote:
| Haha, it's totally trolling us. You can tell because of the
| little icon for the peanut butter
| jeppesen-io wrote:
| Love it
| marginalia_nu wrote:
| How can the Internet both simultaneously be so wrong and so
| correct?
| Andugal wrote:
| This was really funny! But is the majority always right...?
| fastaguy88 wrote:
| No vi vs emacs???
| xigoi wrote:
| Today it's Vim&Emacs versus IDEs.
| klyrs wrote:
| Nano won, get over it. _ducks_
| xwdv wrote:
| It's not over. The whole reason we fight in debates is to
| convince people to join our side or make sure people on our side
| stay convinced. It is a never ending battle and only the dead
| have seen the end of wars.
| scanr wrote:
| Eggs existed long before chickens.
|
| A whole 51% the internet currently appears to agree. Phew.
| technothrasher wrote:
| The question obviously doesn't mean any egg, it is asking about
| _chicken_ eggs. But the question still always seemed ambiguous
| to me only because the terms are vague. If you define a chicken
| egg as an egg that was laid by a chicken, then it is the
| chicken first. If you define it as an egg that a chicken was
| hatched from, then it was the egg first. Define your terms and
| the question is simple to answer.
| RosanaAnaDana wrote:
| I disagree
| ScaleneTriangle wrote:
| The g is silent. It's pronounced "if".
| h2odragon wrote:
| "the internet has decided.." wrong, in many cases.
|
| That's OK. There's a refreshing freedom in being the only sane
| person around. And the edge brownies are shunned by the herd so
| there's plenty for us.
| mgarfias wrote:
| Forgot .45 vs 9mm, and eMacs vs vim
| bryanlarsen wrote:
| And we find out that the internet is mostly wrong. Confirming
| what we already knew.
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