[HN Gopher] Make the Internet Yours Again with an Instant Mesh N...
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       Make the Internet Yours Again with an Instant Mesh Network
        
       Author : ecliptik
       Score  : 49 points
       Date   : 2022-01-08 06:14 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | brnt wrote:
       | Sounds a bit like Zerotier. But I'm not sure how it's different.
       | How does it find other machines, deal with NAT, other corner
       | cases?
        
       | rnotaro wrote:
       | Related thread 6 months ago with 105 comments : _Yggdrasil -
       | Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6
       | network_ [1]
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       | [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27577201
        
       | mawise wrote:
       | I like the use of IPv6 addresses as a cryptographic identity.
       | 
       | Have there been any discussions about DNS-style layers on top of
       | the mesh?
        
       | buzzwords wrote:
       | Would this be useful to people in countries like Iran, where the
       | internet is restricted and completely cut out whenever the
       | government needs to shut people up?
        
         | dymk wrote:
         | Let's assume this is a perfect technical solution to a
         | government that wants to censor your speech - that doesn't help
         | much if the government has ball-pein hammers and rubber hoses,
         | and is willing to use them on people living in houses
         | broadcasting wifi.
        
           | commandlinefan wrote:
           | > houses broadcasting wifi
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           | Cell phones are popular with drug dealers in south america
           | because they're impossible to shut down - if the government
           | can't shut down drug dealers, they definitely can't shut down
           | people sharing offensive memes.
        
         | goodpoint wrote:
         | No. That's what Tor is for.
        
           | buzzwords wrote:
           | No, they cut out the internet entirely.
        
         | msla wrote:
         | No. This is useful against assholes, not fanatics.
         | 
         | Assholes will opportunistically shit on anything that isn't too
         | difficult for them to worm their way into. Crapping up DNS by
         | making all unknown domains resolve to an ad server? Sure.
         | Making unencrypted HTTP unusable by inserting ads and blocking
         | keywords? On it. Blocking any port they haven't heard of? Hey,
         | who needs ports 70 or 23 anyway, am I right? Assholes can be
         | state actors in a state which doesn't go to extremes censoring
         | the Internet, or they can be companies or other institutions
         | with assholes dictating IT policy.
         | 
         | Fanatics will poison BGP to blackhole YouTube and, if it knocks
         | out YouTube for a couple neighboring countries, well, those
         | countries either agree with them or are kiddie-porn-hacker-
         | atheist-terrorists who need to be put in their place by Morally
         | Righteous Leaders anyway. Fanatics will kill anyone who sends
         | or receives encrypted messages the authorities can't read, just
         | on general principles.
         | 
         | HTTPS and maybe some tricks with DNS will protect you from
         | assholes. You need legitimate tradecraft to thwart fanatics,
         | and even then you're rather likely to be killed by a government
         | that really doesn't care enough to even stage a convincing
         | accident.
        
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