[HN Gopher] Loopy Pro
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       Loopy Pro
        
       Author : alin23
       Score  : 90 points
       Date   : 2022-01-07 19:15 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (loopypro.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (loopypro.com)
        
       | gmcerveny wrote:
       | Fantastic to see Michael Tyson releasing this update. I've relied
       | on his contributions to iOS music app development tools (the
       | amazing audio engine, audiobus, the spectacular sync engine)
       | throughout my career.
       | 
       | Of particular note is the custom yearly / keep forever pricing
       | model he is trying with this release.
        
       | emptybottle wrote:
       | Does loopy pro have a retrospective looper?
       | 
       | By retrospective looper I mean can it loop audio after it
       | happens, as opposed to punching in?
       | 
       | I learned about this approach using https://endlesss.fm and have
       | been looking for a standalone version ever since.
        
         | LegitShady wrote:
         | Yes. There's a video on their site that's about an hour that is
         | a pretty effective demo.
        
       | I_am_tiberius wrote:
       | Ok, I clicked the link because I thought there is a new trackball
       | available.
        
       | SloopJon wrote:
       | I bought Loopy HD several years ago after seeing Jimmy Fallon and
       | Billy Joel use it for "The Lion Sleeps Tonight." YouTube has some
       | slide shows with audio, but I can't find a video that shows Jimmy
       | using the app.
       | 
       | I can't say that I've used the app to as good effect.
        
         | realo wrote:
         | Here you go:
         | 
         | https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/ji...
        
       | codeptualize wrote:
       | Wow that looks really cool! I was watching the demo from Dub FX,
       | really cool how it hooks up to the APC40, now I want to try it
       | out. (Although I'm pretty sure it will be a bit disappointing as
       | my music skills are less great haha)
       | 
       | Very reasonable priced btw, audio stuff is usually stupidly
       | expensive, but this seems fair.
        
       | comboy wrote:
       | Can anybody who used "new" loops interface in Logic say how it
       | compares? I like not reinventing my workflows.
        
       | seertaak wrote:
       | As the creator of zenAud.io I'd like to congratulate you for this
       | super cool app. I wish you all the best with your release :)
        
         | bryans wrote:
         | Are you aware that your website is currently compromised and
         | redirecting to malware?
        
           | wsinks wrote:
           | I'm not OP, but just confirming that their site does go to
           | the unexpected.
        
       | iamcreasy wrote:
       | Is it correct to say that Loopy Pro is a DAW for iOS devices?
        
         | mortenjorck wrote:
         | Not a conventional one, but it checks the boxes of recording
         | audio on multiple tracks and the ability to edit on a linear
         | timeline (in song mode), plus the ability to host plugins. Like
         | Ableton Live, it's both a DAW and an improvisation/performance
         | environment.
         | 
         | One common DAW feature it lacks (that many, including Ableton,
         | also lacked in the early days) is MIDI sequencing, but it's on
         | their roadmap.
        
       | eweise wrote:
       | Really cool UI
        
       | rhizome wrote:
       | I only jumped around to get the gist, so I apologize if he goes
       | over this: is the musician restricted to a measure length
       | configured for a particular track-as-a-whole? Can you have loops
       | of arbitrary length, quantizing or not as you see fit? I imagine
       | this might break the automatic loop detection, but just from a
       | polyrhythmic standpoint it's nice to have the ability for some
       | parts not to be locked to the same time signature.
        
       | dlojudice wrote:
       | I thought it was https://ncase.me/loopy/ pro version. I would
       | love if there was a pro version to better demonstrate or simulate
       | feedback loops
        
       | maxwell_xander wrote:
        
         | clajiness wrote:
         | nice. thanks for the recommendation. i like her sound, so
         | that's an instant sub.
        
           | breakfastduck wrote:
           | Yep just came back to comment after checking it out. Not sure
           | why comment has been flagged... I'd say a reccomendation of
           | that type is likely to interest people checking out a looping
           | DAW.
           | 
           | Really nice sound, subscribed.
        
             | maxwell_xander wrote:
             | I suppose since my name is green, and I said I'm shilling,
             | and linked to Youtube, someone assumed it was some autospam
             | promotion bot thing.
        
             | wsinks wrote:
             | who was it? I don't think I can see a flagged comment
        
               | maxwell_xander wrote:
               | ANNI. The specific video I linked to doesn't involve much
               | live looping, but here is one of her vids that does:
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgNDY2qKZGo
               | 
               | I'm quite a fan
        
       | andybak wrote:
       | Curious if there's a HN specific angle?
       | 
       | I'm fascinated by this category but especially if there's a UI
       | innovation.
        
       | can16358p wrote:
       | I love this honest and straight model of purchase regarding a
       | 7-day trial and one time purchase with 12 months updates, while
       | letting the user keep whatever they have or upgrade only if they
       | want to.
       | 
       | Will give it a try.
        
         | jjcm wrote:
         | As a counter to this, Sketch uses similar pricing and it was
         | one of the things that made migrating off of it to a competitor
         | at my last company so easy. Since Sketch licenses were
         | permanent, it was a no brainer of a decision. We could continue
         | ongoing support at the last version of Sketch we had licenses
         | for while embracing the new product, at no cost.
         | 
         | As a consumer I love it, but it's a risky strategy from a
         | stickiness standpoint.
        
           | Larrikin wrote:
           | If the product does everything you want why should you be
           | forced to pay for updates forever for features you don't
           | want?
           | 
           | I would love to pay for Acrobat from like 7 years ago.
           | There's been no value add for me.
        
           | delgaudm wrote:
           | > _As a consumer I love it, but it 's a risky strategy from a
           | stickiness standpoint._
           | 
           | And why we should support Sketch and similar companies with
           | buy-once licensing and shun those that force you into the
           | _subscription hell_ model.
        
         | pizza234 wrote:
         | IntelliJ offers a similar pricing: if one subscribes for at
         | least an year - which has a fair price - they'll get a
         | perpetual license.
        
         | wsinks wrote:
         | That was my biggest takeaway as well, I thought that was really
         | interesting!
        
         | alin23 wrote:
         | Yep, I feel it's the best of both worlds between subscription
         | and one-time purchase, while also supporting the dev when a
         | high-effort upgrade is needed.
         | 
         | I've done the same for Lunar (https://lunar.fyi) but people
         | were very confused at first and didn't understand the model.
         | 
         | I had to respond with "It's not a subscription." and a lengthy
         | description of how it works more than I'd have liked to.
        
         | mortenjorck wrote:
         | It's honestly a breath of fresh air. I wish Apple made it
         | easier for developers to adopt this business model instead of
         | having to choose between an unsustainable one-time purchase and
         | an unpalatable rent-forever subscription.
         | 
         | I wonder how much work went into building the framework to
         | enable a "subscription to new features" on iOS. Perhaps it's
         | even something the developer might be interested in open-
         | sourcing so more developers can go this route?
        
           | rhizome wrote:
           | I don't know how the purchasing gets set up, but couldn't all
           | of these just be separate products? 7-day trial, permanent
           | version license, upgrades for two years...all with different
           | prices? Does Apple prevent you from applying more than one to
           | a single app or something?
        
             | TheJoeMan wrote:
             | Because the 12 months are from purchase date not
             | development cycle, so you'd have to track features
             | available to each user.
        
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