[HN Gopher] Could Germany's obsession with homeopathy explain th...
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Could Germany's obsession with homeopathy explain the low
vaccination rate?
Author : mrzool
Score : 18 points
Date : 2022-01-05 20:27 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| jelliclesfarm wrote:
| I took homeopathic Byronia Alba for three weeks as a loading dose
| before the vaccines were available. I also formulated my own
| constitutional homeopathic remedy 12 years ago from a specific
| snake venom after trying various other snake remedies.
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| I have used it on my animals too. Not just pets like cats and
| dogs but also horses. I have saved dozens of animals while the
| vets insisted that euthanasia was the only option. In India,
| without resources while volunteering at an animal shelter, I
| learnt it to help street animals and feral cats. I mix and match
| homeopathic and allopathic modalities all the time.
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| I am not willing to cut off my nose to spite my face in the name
| of 'scientific thinking'. So I don't reject any healing modality
| that works.
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| There is literally no science that proves homeopathy doesn't
| work. A lot of anti alt medicine rants is just as unscientific as
| medicinal quackery(this also exists). YMMV.
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| I was also willing to participate in the mass experimentation of
| covid vaccines even though I didn't know much about it..none of
| us did..we all acted on the basis of faith. I was under no
| illusion about the alleged effectiveness of the vaccines. It was
| a crapshoot. It is the same attitude that I had when I first
| adopted homeopathy. In balance, I have had more success with
| homeopathy than with allopathic (or even herbal/Ayurvedic)
| modalities and I tend to favour homeopathy over all else.
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| Also: let's not forget that it's cheap and somewhat open source.
| Anyone with time and effort can learn it. So it's not a profit
| gusher. If anything, it diverts profits from Big Pharma. I adore
| Big Pharma, but I am not going to shell out thousands of dollars
| and hours of my life in waiting rooms for a headache or flu or a
| broken arm or asthma or migraines if I can figure it out myself.
| I can. Many can't. I am glad that they have other options. Just
| don't want others to diss mine. Especially by those who don't
| want to educate themselves about other healing modalities and
| would simply parrot others in the name of 'science'.
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| I have literally never met a scientist who disagrees at once with
| someone who carries a different point of view. Scientific
| temperament is one that is ever searching. I have known
| intelligent, thoughtful and highly educated scholars who would at
| the most crinkle their foreheads with not so much as a smirk
| ..and they'd very politely ask for reasons why..this is how I
| filter scientists from non scientists. Not by the degree they
| earn from books and parroting lecturing professors. The trademark
| of science is curiosity and a questioning attitude. When that
| dies, science dies. IMO..even within my relatively short
| lifetime..scientific temperament has dimmed considerably and I
| expect it to die soon..with only the gatekeepers managing the
| flow and direction of new discoveries and science.
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| Edited to add: that is an idiotic article. Equating homeopathy to
| 'nazi medicine' and an anti Semitic motive is just bad
| journalism. I find it repulsive that this author is published.
| gumby wrote:
| I found one sympathetic use of homeopathy. My mother in law had
| cancer and had several years of treatment (really excellent
| treatment in a variety of hospitals and clinics around Germany
| over the years) but eventually they ran out of things that might
| work and sent her home for good. I noticed that she was quite
| diligent with her homeopathic medication, and as she became more
| disabled, her kids and the Diakonie nurse continued this right up
| to the end.
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| Why would they bother? Why would the insurance continue paying
| for this (she certainly couldn't have afforded it)? I think they
| did this because it gave her a sense of agency, and therefore
| increased the quality of her life at the end. She was sent home
| to die, but she remained a human being up to the end.
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| This radically changed my view of homeopathy, mainly because I
| think it provided (IMHO) good value to her. Before that I
| considered it an unmitigated scam.
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| However if this article's thesis is correct, it's worse than
| merely a scam.
| SigmundA wrote:
| Ah Homeopathy its like vaccination but without the science:
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| "A popular homeopathic treatment for the flu is a 200C dilution
| of duck liver, marketed under the name Oscillococcinum. As there
| are only about 10^80 atoms in the entire observable universe, a
| dilution of one molecule in the observable universe would be
| about 40C. Oscillococcinum would thus require 10320 times more
| atoms to simply have one molecule in the final substance."
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| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathic_dilutions
| uniqueuid wrote:
| Great question!
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| There certainly is a connection to homeopathy and the wider
| context of alternative spiritual beliefs, some of which were
| invented and/or have deep roots in Germany.
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| But there is a recent study (German only, sorry) [1] which
| investigated precisely this hypothesis and came up with a more
| nuanced view:
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| - There is a synergy between valuing opposition for opposition's
| sake and alternative spiritual beliefs
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| - Those beliefs include fringe christian sects, radical
| anthroposophic believers, oppositional well-off citizens and
| traditional political opposition
|
| So there is an amalgam of all of these, and they're currently
| linked by a shared opposition against a perceived over-bearing
| state.
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| [1] https://boell-
| bw.de/sites/default/files/2021-11/Studie_Quell...
| mrkramer wrote:
| 71% vaccination rate is low?! How can you explain then low
| vaccination rate of US? They have 62% fully vaccinated.
| davidkunz wrote:
| See also "Wer Globuli sat, wird Impfgegnerschaft ernten":
| https://www.spektrum.de/kolumne/grams-sprechstunde-wer-globu...
| (in German)
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