[HN Gopher] The Burning Desire for Hot Chicken (2016)
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The Burning Desire for Hot Chicken (2016)
Author : Tomte
Score : 45 points
Date : 2021-12-31 18:54 UTC (2 days ago)
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| sigmaprimus wrote:
| "The body thinks it's on fire, so it unleashes a wave of
| endorphins to help quell the burning. You start to feel something
| akin to a runner's high. The sharp stinging pain will subside,
| but the rush -- and subsequent sense of tranquility -- lasts a
| bit longer."
|
| This is called going into Shock!!
|
| I've always liked spicy food but not to the point they cause
| physical discomfort this just seems like a waste of good spices
| to me, a far more economical solution would be to just eat a
| piece of conservatively spiced chicken then have your buddy kick
| You in the balls.
| Mikeb85 wrote:
| Dunno, I (and most people around the world) quite enjoy the
| feeling.
|
| Keep in mind, chilies are native only to Mexico/Central
| America. Yet almost every culture on earth has adopted them
| into its cuisine (India, China, Thailand, basically every Asian
| cuisine except maybe Japan, African cuisines, a bunch of
| European cuisines, etc...).
| xkgt wrote:
| I may be wrong but I am curious to know whether there is any
| correlation between spicy cuisine and a hot climate? There
| are some counter-examples ( e.g., certain northern Chinese
| cuisines are spicier than Cantonese) but typically spicier
| cuisines are associated with tropical countries.
| Mikeb85 wrote:
| There's _a_ correlation for sure, chilies also only grow in
| relatively warm weather, but the fact they spread so far in
| the first place is testamount to their appeal.
|
| They're _so_ popular in so many countries that people
| forget they originated _only_ in the new world...
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| One explanation I've heard proposed is that the sweating
| induced by spicy foods helps you cool down faster in hot
| climates than just your body trying to maintain
| homeostasis.
| sigmaprimus wrote:
| I think there is a definite enhancement to foods that spices
| provide but there is a big difference between enough spice to
| break a sweat and having a numbness on your pallet for
| example and feeling like you are going to die.
|
| Like I said I like spicy food but not to extreme that my
| stomach is upset for hours after eating it and finding myself
| suffering on the back end for 3 days after eating it.
|
| At some point it is just self abuse and should not be seen as
| a sign of strength or masculinity but rather stupidity along
| the lines of eating Tide pods or doing the cinnamon challenge
| solely for the entertainment of others watching you suffer.
| Mikeb85 wrote:
| I mean, most of the people who say they think they're going
| to die are just using it as hyperbole...
| sigmaprimus wrote:
| Probably the best example of a good balance is the
| legendary Sushi chefs who use the blowfish as an
| ingredient to allow enough poison to achieve the desired
| effect but not so much as to make the customer gravely
| ill.
|
| Another example might be what seems to be occurring with
| the opioid endemic.
| dustintrex wrote:
| The single most popular dish prepared at home in Japan is
| curry rice. Most Japanese curries are not particularly spicy,
| but they definitely do have a chilli kick and chains like
| Coco Ichiban do a brisk business selling up amped-up
| versions.
| zentropia wrote:
| I remember eating spicy level three and my body was
| sweeting and shaking.
| Mikeb85 wrote:
| Fair enough, I wasn't sure about how much Japanese enjoyed
| chilies, in my limited experience (we have tons of sushi,
| ramen and Izakaya style joints here but relatively few
| Japanese people) Japanese food seems much milder than most
| other Asian cuisines.
| tasogare wrote:
| They like to advertise spicyness but most of the time
| it's not really as spicy as it's marketed. Once however,
| I tried that Tabasco Scorpion sauce I found at a 100-yen
| Lawson, thinking it would be the usual bullshit and I've
| been taken for a ride.
| addaon wrote:
| This has nothing to do with shock, which is about blood flow
| and oxygen delivery, not hormone release.
| sigmaprimus wrote:
| Please research shock and endorphin release and reconsider
| your argument.
|
| I understand that many people enjoy the sensations related to
| eating highly spiced foods but as the article mention this
| can result in hours of digestive discomfort and sometimes
| there is a 3 day price to pay for indulging in such activity
| when expelling what was consumed.
|
| I feel there is a reasonable argument that pleasure through
| pain is a self destructive activity along the lines of
| "cutting" or auto erotic self asphyxiation.
|
| Glorifying such things is in my opinion has a negative
| outcome.
| BenjiWiebe wrote:
| And for some (including me), they can enjoy high heat
| levels, a rush of endorphins, and no side effects.
|
| What's wrong with that?
| sigmaprimus wrote:
| Absolutely nothing, the article I read was about the pain
| and suffering a tourist experiences when they order extra
| spicy hot chicken. I think that if you enjoy the spice
| and feel no discomfort then the spices are at the correct
| level for you.
| [deleted]
| kranner wrote:
| Great article!
|
| Interesting aside about the 'Ghost Pepper' (Bhut Jolokia)
| referred to in the article, a former world record holder for
| hottest chilli pepper, native to Northeast India: the 'ghost'
| (bhut) label arises from a fun linguistic misunderstanding.
|
| Using IAST notation/Devanagari, the 'bhut' is actually
| 'bhot/bhott' (which means 'Bhutanese' in this context, from the
| Sanskrit for 'Tibet'), not 'bhut/bhut' or 'bhut/bhuut' (which
| means ghost/spirit, from the Sanskrit for 'past'). So Bhut
| Jolokia actually means 'Bhutanese Pepper', which is decidedly
| less interesting than 'Ghost Pepper'; hence (probably) the
| popularity of the latter meaning.
|
| https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bhut%20jolokia
| contidrift wrote:
| If you like this stuff you may also enjoy Portuguese peri peri
| chicken https://wetravelportugal.com/piri-piri-chicken/
| doodlebugging wrote:
| I think chicken is a perfect vehicle for spices. I like to
| experiment with spices so I look for things that will give me a
| taste of how the rest of the world enjoys their food. A couple
| of years ago I found a Peri-peri spice mix in the import
| section of our local grocery store so I bought some to try it
| out.
|
| It is spicy and the heat level can be too much for someone who
| doesn't enjoy a good burn after the burst of chili flavor. My
| family is a mix of high heat lovers and mild heat lovers so I
| found that a couple of us wanted less heat while the others
| enjoyed it. I grilled the chicken over coals and the
| combination of spice and char makes a delicious flavor profile.
| I had totally forgotten about this spice blend. Thanks for the
| reminder.
| sweetheart wrote:
| Mikeb85 wrote:
| This is a different topic altogether...
| shepherdjerred wrote:
| Would it be more appropriate to eat not-spicy chicken, or are
| you advocating for not eating meat at all?
| paulcole wrote:
| I eat a plant-based diet and believe that almost everyone
| reading this comment can and should give up eating meat.
|
| That said, in theory some reduction in meat eating is better
| than none (although in terms of effect on climate
| change/future of humanity everything is just rearranging the
| deck chairs on the Titanic at this point).
|
| I think it's best if most people reading this comment think
| of meat as a rare treat rather than an everyday indulgence.
| So enjoy the spicy chicken sandwich once in awhile even if
| I'd rather you ate no meat at all.
| sweetheart wrote:
| I don't think anyone should eat meat, outside of those who
| cannot survive otherwise. That's almost nobody though.
|
| Any suffering that animals experience by being farmed which
| is not strictly necessary for survival, is totally
| unnecessary, and I think unnecessary suffering is wrong,
| regardless of the species of the victim.
| darksaints wrote:
| doodlebugging wrote:
| I wonder how the plant feels about us ripping those pungent
| leaves from its branches to flavor our soups or stealing its
| seeds to grind them into powder for our BBQ rubs. Does the
| sound of the combine harvester cause the wheat to envy the
| cow's mobility when you harvest and it has to accept the fact
| that it cannot escape? If you could convert the chemical signal
| that a plant sends to its neighbors that an insect is chewing
| its leaves into a sound, would that sound be a scream steadily
| increasing in volume as the insect crunches its way through the
| leaf? Would it be a mournful cry or a war whoop?
| sweetheart wrote:
| You don't actually think plants and animals have the same
| capacity to suffer, so you're not making that argument in
| good faith.
|
| Watch me kick a dog and a house plant and see which one you
| stop me from doing again.
| uoaei wrote:
| How much does pain weigh if the one experiencing it is a
| subject which cannot recognize its own suffering?
| throwanem wrote:
| Why assume a chicken can't tell that it's suffering? I mean,
| I'll go on eating it either way, but don't you think you
| might be kidding yourself a little here?
| uoaei wrote:
| The concept of "self" as distinct from "other/environment"
| is quite a complex cognitive construction and requires a
| lot of moving parts. It doesn't seem straightforward to me
| to assume that all beings share a means to achieve this
| understanding, when unthinking automata can relatively
| easily simulate the same behaviors in all scenarios that a
| chicken expresses vs, say, an elephant, dolphin, or human.
| throwanem wrote:
| There seems to be an implicit assumption here that
| understanding "suffering" as a concept is necessary in
| order to suffer. That may be justifiable, but it
| certainly requires justification.
| uoaei wrote:
| I think you are misconstruing. There is another
| possibility, which is that a negative experience is less
| metaphysically meaningful when the experience is _pure_
| "pain", without the added self-reflective component which
| can be distinguished as "suffering".
| throwanem wrote:
| I've been in pain bad enough that, had someone asked me
| my name, I'd have needed a while to come up with an
| answer that would itself have taken real effort just to
| say. I don't know whether that experience was more or
| less "metaphysically meaningful", a term I note you seem
| in no hurry to define, for the fact that it drove my
| consciousness so far into abeyance that I could no longer
| perceive even the passage of time. I don't think it
| matters either way, because while it's happening that
| kind of pain becomes the only real thing in the world.
| Why should this be any less true for a chicken than for
| me?
| uoaei wrote:
| The difference is the self-reflection on the other side
| of that pain. While you were in it, it was pure
| experience. It is only by reflecting on those moments
| that one transforms pain into suffering. If you are able
| to experience only pain, excluding selfhood, then perhaps
| ignorance really is bliss? Can you really say there is
| anything "bad" if there is no lasting trauma borne upon a
| sentient (self-knowing) being?
|
| "Metaphysically meaningful" is a bit of a copout, agreed.
| It can be tautologically defined as "that sentiment which
| describes the satisfaction derived from the quasi-
| optimality of outcomes with respect to the consensus
| moral framework". Concisely, "meaningful vs consensus
| morality". Of course there will be interplay between what
| morality the consensus achieves and what can be
| considered meaningful. But I think few would disagree
| that more closely analyzing the various kinds of negative
| experiences will inform our collective morals "for the
| better" (again tautological here, but to deny evolution
| of morality is simply reactionary philosophy and shall
| not be tolerated).
| doodlebugging wrote:
| I would make the case that a chicken fully understands the
| concept of pain, feels pain itself, and inflicts pain on
| other beings as a tool for maintaining a social compliance.
|
| Just the existence of something like a "pecking order" should
| demonstrate all you need to know to understand that the
| chicken doing the pecking knows in advance that the peck will
| inflict pain on the one being pecked and that the inflicted
| pain will cause that animal to alter their behavior by either
| recognizing the authority of the one doing the pecking, or by
| challenging that authority.
|
| The sweetest cat that I ever had, now enjoying her (9 - n)
| life somewhere else, was the one true queen and ruler of
| everything mobile or potentially mobile on our property.
| Scraps of paper thrown from redneck's trucks as they passed
| along the highway became objects of great amusement as she
| slapped them into compliance with what she considered to be
| their place in her personal space.
|
| Mice, rats, birds, lizards, raccoons, opossums, squirrels,
| and all manner of insects were both entertainment and
| sustenance. She had no fear of anything and a great love for
| all the humans she had chosen to adopt. She was the top of
| the food chain at our place until I decided to raise
| chickens.
|
| I purchased a dozen young hens, none of them taller than the
| cat, and kept them confined in a mobile cage that I moved
| around the property. I was hoping that I could one day use
| the grown chickens to help control the fire ant and
| grasshopper populations since chickens always seemed to me to
| be not only simple-minded, but single-mindedly focused on
| eating anything that moved.
|
| The cat watched these birds with obvious anticipation of
| their eventual freedom. She would sit outside the screened
| cage and observe them scratching and pecking and could
| occasionally be seen with a paw extended into the cage in an
| attempt to touch them. Within the cage the birds adapted to
| each other and a sort of social pecking order developed where
| one bird grew to be the dominant bird and ended up
| controlling the others like her own personal flock.
|
| In time, I released the birds from the cage and they adapted
| to life outside the wire. Several were killed by my two
| clumsy black Labs who chased them down and murdered them
| before I could jump the fence and stop the carnage.
|
| They were all still relatively small and the cat finally had
| an opportunity to touch them and exert some level of control
| over them. She would place herself in a position where the
| birds had to pass and as they passed she would reach out and
| pat or slap them on the head. This was all fun and games for
| her. Passing her and being slapped was a sort of toll
| inflicted on the birds and once she had patted them down she
| would wander off to find something more interesting.
|
| Finally Ruby, the dominant bird, decided that she had had
| enough of that cat's shit and as soon as she had been patted,
| she jumped onto the trailer beside the cat and pecked the cat
| hard on the head between the eyes sending the cat scooting
| across the yard like furred lightning putting as much
| distance between herself and the birds as she could manage.
| From that day on, the cat gave the chickens a wide berth and
| a healthy dose of respect. In fact, during one attack where
| we lost a couple of chickens to a hawk she rushed in to
| defend Ruby from the hawk.
|
| Sadly enough, Ruby eventually was killed by a couple of loose
| dogs belonging to a neighbor and my poor cat, queen of
| everything in our local universe, had to be euthanized. After
| 14 years as an outside cat she was ready for a new start
| somewhere else. I hope she found a nice warm spot with lots
| of distractions.
|
| This story got too long but the general summary is that a
| chicken knows pain, feels pain, knows how to use pain as a
| tool to force compliance and that anyone who doesn't know
| this needs to spend a little time watching them and how they
| interact in their social world.
| sweetheart wrote:
| How is a chickens ability to inflict pain relevant at all?
| LongTimeAnon wrote:
| mrhimguydude wrote:
| sigmaprimus wrote:
| I don't want to turn this into an argument about consuming
| chicken but I feel I must share my point of view regarding this
| matter. I am fortunate enough to have enough space to raise a
| personal flock of chickens and on occasion I am required to end
| their lives. This is absolutely not something that I take
| pleasure in but feel that I have provided a good life without
| pain and anxiety to my animals and although they do suffer a
| brief moment of anxiety and possibly pain, I have taken the
| responsibility of raising my own meat including the dispatching
| of their short lives in a humane way. I am personally against
| factory farms for their affect on the environment and in my
| opinion production of a lower quality meat but feel that my
| animals have one bad moment on my farm and a far better than
| average life otherwise, unlike what occurs in large factory
| chicken houses and processing plants. I respect life in all
| it's forms and believe there is a place where the consumption
| of animals and their welfare can coexist.
|
| Consider the humanity of euthanizing a pet, to argue killing is
| diametrically opposed to an animals welfare is a false
| statement.
| sweetheart wrote:
| NikolaeVarius wrote:
| Yeah, it tastes good. Get in my belly.
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