[HN Gopher] New Temperature Records for the UK
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New Temperature Records for the UK
Author : infodocket
Score : 124 points
Date : 2022-01-01 17:42 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| breakyerself wrote:
| Record high temps outnumber record lows by 2:1. The planet is
| hotter than its been in 100,000 years. Co2 levels are higher than
| they've been in 800,000 years. 4 Hiroshima bombs per second worth
| of extra heat energy are being trapped in the climate system by
| the co2 we've emitted. The oceans are 25% more acidic because of
| how much of our co2 has been absorbed by the oceans. Absolute
| humidity has increased 7% because a warmer atmosphere can hold
| more moisture and warmer oceans evaporate more readily.
| jacquesm wrote:
| NL as well, one record after another is broken. Today I saw some
| very confused wasps and bees flying around, in 15 degree Celsius
| weather.
| jfk13 wrote:
| Here (in the UK) we went for a walk this afternoon, and I
| noticed primroses in flower... at least a couple months too
| early.
|
| I guess they're hoping some confused bees will come along...
| [deleted]
| mytailorisrich wrote:
| That can be a problem because there's still a high chance of
| frost, not least because the coldest period of winter is
| still ahead of us: when it's too mild and plants start to bud
| early they run the risk of being burnt by frost later on...
| Scoundreller wrote:
| -20C in Thunder Bay if you're ever thinking about coming back.
| And that's the high!
|
| https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/weather/ontario/thunder...
| jacquesm wrote:
| Ah, Thunder Bay. That is one of the nicer spots that I've
| visited. Lake Superior is more like an inland sea and Thunder
| Bay is on of the best spots on the lake.
|
| The chances of me coming back to Canada are very, very low.
| Another country in Europe however, especially one of the
| Nordics or the Baltics, that might just happen.
| hardlianotion wrote:
| Same here in France. Chased a bumblebee out of my living room
| and any number of confused flies. The weather has gone from
| unusually deep and early snow to scenes resembling later
| spring. Similarly confused weather patterns in West Africa in
| the last few years - the regular weather pattern of my youth
| seems to be breaking down into something altogether less
| reliable and worrying.
| jacquesm wrote:
| It's pretty wild. People keep saying that 'climate change is
| happening too slow to be noticed over a human life span', but
| I actually think that isn't true, it is in fact very
| noticeable. The winters from my youth are gone and my parents
| thought that the ones in the 70's were mild (with one or two
| exceptions).
|
| Here we now have essentially 6 months of autumn that switches
| straight into an early summer.
| michaelcampbell wrote:
| > People keep saying that 'climate change is happening too
| slow to be noticed over a human life span',
|
| No one seriously says this, unless they're pushing their
| own anti-science narrative.
| jacquesm wrote:
| I think they mean this as in 'compared to a road
| accident' (or a pandemic, for that matter).
| lordnacho wrote:
| This is good if you pay for energy in the UK. Prices have shot up
| recently, and there are fears that a lot of people will get
| surprised if the winter is chilly. Of course we've yet to see how
| it plays out.
|
| Friends on mine in the energy business think it could get really
| really bad if it's cold.
| bserge wrote:
| dijit wrote:
| Much in the same way that burning down your house is a comfort
| for those who cannot afford their gas bill?
| jstanley wrote:
| No, in the same way that warm weather is a comfort for those
| who cannot afford their gas bill.
| samwillis wrote:
| I think you are right, there is certainly a lot of people here
| hoping for a very mild winter. Hopefully the relief from rising
| energy prices this winter doesn't distract from the bigger
| picture of climate change, but we must also not be dismissive
| of those in need.
|
| There are so many people in the UK who have to make difficult
| choices each winter about heating their house or spending
| elsewhere. It's estimated to be 1 in 10 households (3m
| people)[0]. So we can take a small amount of comfort that in
| the short term that this is help for them, but we must as a
| society address both these problems (income inequality and
| climate change)
|
| 0: https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/25/one-
| in-10-uk...
| irthomasthomas wrote:
| It was 15C NYE and the record was 18.0C at Abergwyngregyn,
| Gwynedd in 1972.
|
| I am pretty happy to be honest, considering the fuel crisis, this
| is a blessing to some. I am not convinced that life everywhere
| will suddenly be terrible just because it is a little warmer. We
| had warm periods before and things got better. The Late Bronze
| Warm Period, The Roman Warm period, and the Middle Age Warm
| Period.
|
| https://imgr.search.brave.com/v3hRyzU6Mm1ShpkX2Z4SEYasQRtDD-...
|
| Also see global greening https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-
| of-the-earth-mitigates...
| ben_w wrote:
| First, it's going to be a bigger change than those periods. The
| "business as usual" scenario is warmer than today by the degree
| to which today is warmer than the ice ages. (And I think at
| least some of those were local climate changes, not global
| ones?)
|
| Second, it's not about life _everywhere_ except for people who
| stop as soon as they finish the headlines. Some farmland will
| go from marginal to good, others from good to marginal.
| Unfortunately the latter is going to hurt more than the former
| will help, fortunately there are already solutions,
| unfortunately they are expensive. _Probably_ more expensive
| than green subsidies, even if the tech never improves.
|
| Thirdly, IIRC, we don't yet know the conditions which would
| interfere with the thermohaline circulation, but we have
| observed the bit near the the U.K. -- the Gulf Stream -- moving
| north. Mess that up and the U.K. _suddenly_ turns from a
| pleasant mild-ish climate all year round into something more
| like Newfoundland, which is at the same latitude.
| malandrew wrote:
| Do you know of any maps showing the relative position of the
| guest team over the UK over time?
|
| Curious to see if there's a prediction that Scotland becomes
| a lot nicer weather wise as it is at the northern end of the
| UK.
| irthomasthomas wrote:
| It is well known that the Romans had many vineyards in
| Scotland making wine during the RWP.
| irthomasthomas wrote:
| I added a greenland temperature chart overlayed with
| historical events. Yes, the previous warm periods mentioned
| where global, they where a lot warmer than today and things
| mostly got better. The last IPCC report fails to account for
| global greening, which is a giant effect.
| https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-
| mitigates...
| ben_w wrote:
| I've worked with MODIS satellite data.
|
| Quoting your own link: """The vegetation cooling effect is
| large from the energy dissipation perspective, but only
| about 10%-20% compared to the pace of global warming. The
| cooling effect from greening is less significant in
| tropical forests with high leaf areas."""
|
| Regarding the previous warm periods, I was right, and I
| just now found the following reference to demonstrate this:
|
| """More recent research, including a 2019 analysis based on
| a much larger dataset of climate proxies, has found that
| the putative period [the Roman Warm Period], along with
| other warmer or colder pre-industrial periods such as the
| "Little Ice Age" and "Medieval Warm Period," were regional
| phenomena, not globally-coherent episodes.[7] That analysis
| uses the temperature record of the last 2,000 years dataset
| compiled by the PAGES 2k Consortium 2017.[7]"""
|
| [7] https://boris.unibe.ch/132301/7/333323_4_merged_1557735
| 881.p...
| irthomasthomas wrote:
| Luning et al. June 2019.
|
| "Abstract The Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA) is a well-
| recognized climate perturbation in many parts of the
| world, with a core period of 1000-1200 CE. Here we are
| mapping the MCA across the Antarctic region based on the
| analysis of published palaeotemperature proxy data from
| 60 sites. In addition to the conventionally used ice core
| data, we are integrating temperature proxy records from
| marine and terrestrial sediment cores as well as
| radiocarbon ages of glacier moraines and elephant seal
| colonies. A generally warm MCA compared to the subsequent
| Little Ice Age (LIA) was found for the Subantarctic
| Islands south of the Antarctic Convergence, the Antarctic
| Peninsula, Victoria Land and central West Antarctica. A
| somewhat less clear MCA warm signal was detected for the
| majority of East Antarctica. MCA cooling occurred in the
| Ross Ice Shelf region, and probably in the Weddell Sea
| and on Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf. Spatial distribution of
| MCA cooling and warming follows modern dipole patterns,
| as reflected by areas of opposing temperature trends.
| Main drivers of the multi-centennial scale climate
| variability appear to be the Southern Annular Mode (SAM)
| and El Nino-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) which are linked
| to solar activity changes by nonlinear dynamics." https:/
| /www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00310...
|
| Edit: Bonus climate reconstruction from 1268 studies of
| the MWP https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1akI_yGS
| UlO_qEvrmrI...
| verisimi wrote:
| It could do with being a little warmer.
| tremon wrote:
| _https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-
| mitigates..._
|
| And what exactly is the point you think you're making with
| that? From the link:
|
| > Stopping deforestation and ecologically sensible large-scale
| tree-planting could be one simple, but not sufficient, defense
| against climate change.
|
| So "global greening" is an anthropogenic phenomenon to counter
| global climate change. It actually confirms that we humans have
| the means and the possibility to meaningfully impact the
| climate, and that some of those efforts are proven effective.
|
| Is that what you were trying to say?
| kpmah wrote:
| Science denial. It's not going to stop at 'a little warmer'.
|
| https://skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm
| polotics wrote:
| It is not going to be a little warmer: do you know about
| averages? Two degree higher average temperatures means many
| European forests will burn and not recuperate. With four, even
| Ireland desertifies. Climate change is only just getting
| started, by the time people like you realize action is needed,
| it will be much too much too late. The movie "don't look up"
| comes to mind.
| irthomasthomas wrote:
| Desertification was predicted but it didn't happen. The earth
| has greened instead. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-
| of-the-earth-mitigates...
| nemo44x wrote:
| But you won't get funding saying this. You need to make
| your subject of study a crisis in order to secure the
| funding to study it further. And of course the politicians
| that unlock the funding would do well if your model could
| align with their re-election strategy.
| toun wrote:
| French Brittany, was sunbathing this morning at 10:00 at 15degC
| on the beach, with bees flying around. These are summer
| temperatures, and even in summer it's usually colder than that at
| this time of the day. Felt completely unreal.
| iqanq wrote:
| Given the terrible problems we are having with energy prices, I
| will interpret this as God laying His hands upon us :P
| irrational wrote:
| Why? We seem to be doing a great job of punishing ourselves.
| DaiPlusPlus wrote:
| > We seem to be doing a great job of punishing ourselves.
|
| We're not all Catholic
| mhh__ wrote:
| As far as I'm aware, the Bible does instruct the faithful
| Christian to look after god's creation. Considering the zeal of
| American Christianity, this has apparently been lost on many
| (i.e. the cold atheists in Europe are doing a better job).
| groundhogday3 wrote:
| toast0 wrote:
| > Considering the zeal of American Christianity, this has
| apparently been lost on many
|
| As an american atheist, an awful lot of American Christians
| don't seem to follow much of the teachings of the Bible.
| coolso wrote:
| Perhaps there is a knowledge that behind every politician
| claiming to want to care for the environment, it means more
| money taken out of their pockets, among many other shady
| ulterior "progressive" motives. They see through the BS, in
| other words.
|
| Most people want to look after God's creation. They just
| don't want to get screwed over by politicians in the process,
| nor do they necessarily want to buy into the false prophet
| scientists who have been claiming the end is nigh regarding
| this subject for decades now (always pushing the new end
| further down the line, but this time it's for real, they
| swear!)
| mhh__ wrote:
| Maybe they should vote with their wallets, which as far as
| I'm aware isn't happening.
|
| Also, Fossil Fuel subsidies? Did the progressives do that?
| DaiPlusPlus wrote:
| > nor do they necessarily want to buy into the false
| prophet scientists who have been claiming the end is nigh
| regarding this subject for decades now (always pushing the
| new end further down the line, but this time it's for real,
| they swear!)
|
| I see your straw-man.
| DFHippie wrote:
| > nor do they necessarily want to buy into the false
| prophet scientists who have been claiming the end is nigh
| regarding this subject for decades now (always pushing the
| new end further down the line, but this time it's for real,
| they swear!)
|
| Meanwhile, what has actually happened: the scientists keep
| finding that their earlier predictions were too optimistic.
| OtomotO wrote:
| To strangle us?
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| esarbe wrote:
| Central Europe, 10degC - Bees and Wasps, shrubs and bushes are
| budding.
| Zenst wrote:
| Which is a worry as a couple of months left of winter. Also a
| tendency these days for the colder/snow weather to be in the
| later part of winter/early spring.
| misnome wrote:
| There's also stories flying around about hedgehogs coming out
| of hibernation early
| throwaway5752 wrote:
| I see people talking about weather getting unpredictable.
|
| This was predictable, and was predicted:
| https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/. The technical summary is 160
| pages and should be required reading for anyone over the age of
| 13:
| https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6....
| The Paris Agreement, for all its problems, tries to keep increase
| below 1.5 C over pre-industrial. We are locked in for 20-30 more
| years of increases like this if we stop emitting net CO2 in 5
| years, best case. This is the _beginning_ of global warming, it
| will be getting worse. I plan on retiring from software soon to
| devote the rest of my life to technical and political work to
| keep Earth habitable for subsequent generations while retaining
| the knowledge and technological progress made possible from the
| carbon age. Too many people in software - just my experience, and
| definitely not limited to software - have no concept of the
| orders of magnitude of energy involved and unreasonable
| expectations of other engineering fields to solve this problem. I
| hope more people will join me.
| spywaregorilla wrote:
| Climate change does make the weather less predictable, as in
| higher variance on things like storms. So... they're probably
| not disagreeing with you.
| f311a wrote:
| Unfortunately, educating people is very hard and covid-19
| clearly shows it.
| th9283749238 wrote:
| From talking to my (degree-holding) colleagues, they seem to
| think that everything will be well, and no amount of evidence
| would convince them otherwise. Felt like I was talking to
| antivaxxers.
|
| The IPCC report suggests first-world citizens reduce their
| energy footprint by 80% if we are to have even a remote chance
| of keeping things under control. Yet everybody is now making
| plans where to travel next when the pandemic becomes milder.
|
| Meanwhile Germany closed half its nuclear reactors yesterday
| and people were cheering.
|
| Are you sure you want to save this version of humanity?
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| > Are you sure you want to save this version of humanity?
|
| This fatalistic, sneering attitude is the least effective way
| of discussing climate change with people who don't yet
| understand the issue.
|
| I think a lot of people don't realize just how much of a
| turn-off these attitudes are to people who are on the fence
| or otherwise doubtful. It's not helpful.
| [deleted]
| kerneloftruth wrote:
| I'm genuinely curious: does "technical and political work to
| keep Earth habitable for subsequent generations" include
| efforts to reduce the earth's population size? I ask this
| because sometimes such efforts fail to address the root cause,
| often deliberately.
| mempko wrote:
| I recommend people watch Paul Beckwith who does a fantastic job
| explaining what he calls The Climate Casino.
|
| https://m.youtube.com/user/PaulHBeckwith
| bserge wrote:
| joebillingsley wrote:
| I'm interested. Have you found anyone/an area who needs
| software developers?
| b_emery wrote:
| Bill Gate's book has a good summary of the technical challenges
| and the scientific and engineering needs. It's an easy read and
| I highly suggest it.
| notreallyserio wrote:
| What do you plan to do, specifically? I hope to soft-retire
| soon, meaning switch to another lower-paying kob or
| volunteering, but I'm not exactly sure what I want to do.
| jonp888 wrote:
| I do, I just don't see any pointles in fighting a hopeless war
| that is already lost.
| mattygh wrote:
| Brutal attitude, also wrong. 2 degrees warming is probably
| inevitable at this point. Not great. But 3 degrees is much
| worse than 2, and 4 is much worse than 3, etc. There's no
| concept of losing, just how bad it will get for future
| generations.
| LightG wrote:
| You're the kind of guy I'd follow into battle.
|
| I will follow you, my liege!!!
| agilob wrote:
| Now, that's the spirit!
| cheschire wrote:
| I suspect people tend to mean unstable when they say
| unpredictable. Not that they think science is unable to see
| what's happening.
| wolverine876 wrote:
| > I plan on retiring from software soon to devote the rest of
| my life to technical and political work to keep Earth habitable
| for subsequent generations
|
| That is fantastic and inspiring. I'm shifting my life around in
| order to focus on similar priorities.
|
| For people who think it is extreme, this is my perspective:
| Previous generations built 99% of what we have - the political
| system (freedom, democracy, peace, better justice), the
| economy, the knowledge, arts and culture, the endless social
| goods (school, healthcare, FOSS, etc.), the technology. How are
| we building on that for the next? Environmental catastrophe?
| Political chaos and social distrust? Online manipulation,
| cryptocurrency scams, and lulz? So far, IMHO we are mostly
| liquidating, as vulture capitalists, that largess by our
| predecessors - by their hard work, their forward thinking to
| build a 'More Perfect Union', and their sacrifices:
|
| Many sacrificed everything. Some saw nothing more of life than
| high school, boot camp, and a bullet. Too grim? Too dramatic?
| Too serious? That's reality; it's too late in the day, in our
| myriad crises, to hold back so that it's not too challenging or
| upsetting. I'm not saying everyone should do what I do
| (certainly not - they should figure out what is right for them,
| as individuals), but I think we all have very serious
| obligations. We have the free choice to do good or bad; the
| good news is, the results are up to us.
| Yuioup wrote:
| How do you 'retire on software'. I'm a software engineer and I
| have nowhere near enough savings for retirement, not even
| close.
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| A lot can be written on the topic, but it all comes down to
| the difference between your income and your expenses over the
| span of a couple decades.
|
| A median income with a median cost of living and a median
| lifestyle won't do it, obviously. Otherwise everybody would
| be retiring early.
|
| There's a lot written about finding remote, high-paying jobs
| and then living like an ultra-frugal bachelor. That's
| actually much harder to do than people like to admit and the
| lifestyle isn't for everyone.
|
| The more common approach is to get married, keep expenses
| reasonably low but don't torture yourself, and one or both
| spouses should have a moderately high paying professional
| job. Consistently invest the difference between income and
| expenses for a few decades and you'll get there.
|
| Nobody is retiring at 30 and living like a king unless
| they're extraordinarily lucky with a startup or some other
| gamble. However, it's very reasonable to retire before the
| age of 50 or even 40 if you're smart about it and willing to
| live a moderately priced lifestyle.
| gambiting wrote:
| Yes, that's very nice and all, but what does it have to do
| with saving the planet? Even if you don't need to have a
| job to survive, how do you go about helping? I'm not trying
| to be sarcastic, I'm genuienly curious.
| hiptobecubic wrote:
| Spending your efforts on environmental work rather than
| building blockchain-powered juicing machines or tinder
| for sweatshop workers.
| gambiting wrote:
| Yes but it's not one or the other - there's million
| different things to do in software before getting to the
| level of building blockchain crap.
|
| Also I'm really curious what people consider valuable
| environmental work - like, if you didn't have to work for
| money tomorrow, what kind of environmental work exactly
| would you take on?
| throwaway5752 wrote:
| It was a typo, and I corrected it to read "retire from
| software". I expect it will impact my lifestyle.
| chucksmash wrote:
| You make enough money from working in software that however
| much you will make in your second act (note: not necessarily
| zero) plus what you've saved up and investment proceeds
| thereof is enough to sustain you.
|
| The same as retiring in any other field.
| ticviking wrote:
| If you only spend %50 of your paycheck, and invest the
| savings well it's basically 5-10 years to FIRE.
|
| It's more complicated than I make it sound there but
| ultimately it's a matter of deciding it's important to you to
| do this and making it happen.
| hunter-gatherer wrote:
| I think it is closer to investing 70% for a 10 year target,
| actually. And that is a pretty "great case" scenario.
| Retric wrote:
| Yea, there is often an unspoken assumption of moving to
| some ultra cheap location which is central to those ultra
| short time periods. If you can live on 10% of your income
| in retirement then you can save that up very quickly.
| gruez wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29691039
|
| make half a million dollars per year total comp, duh.
| wazoox wrote:
| This is very menacing, more than could seem at first glance. All
| sort of crops could bloom much too soon, and be destroyed at the
| next cold event. And every summer from now on, we'll be under the
| menace of an extreme hot event destroying major cereal crops
| around the world. Global food shortage could be around the corner
| every year, forever. Combine that with a looming fossil fuel
| supply crunch, and we're on the verge of civilisational collapse,
| just like that.
| irthomasthomas wrote:
| Don't worry, this is roughly the opposite of what has been
| observed. The growing seasons are getting longer, the earth is
| greening. [0]
|
| And looking back at previous warm periods it looks like things
| mostly got better during warm ages and nose dived during the
| cold.
| https://imgr.search.brave.com/v3hRyzU6Mm1ShpkX2Z4SEYasQRtDD-...
|
| [0] Global Greening
|
| Greening of the globe and its drivers - Nature 2016
| https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004 "Satellite records
| from 1982-2009 show a persistent and widespread increase of
| leaf area (greening) over 25% to 50% of the global vegetated
| area, whereas less than 4% of the globe shows decreasing leaf
| area (browning). Ecosystem models suggest that CO2
| fertilisation effects explain 70% of the observed greening
| trend, followed by nitrogen deposition (9%), climate change
| (8%) and land cover change (4%)."
|
| Elevated CO2 as a driver of global dryland greening - Nature
| 2016 https://www.nature.com/articles/srep20716 "Recent regional
| scale analyses using satellite based vegetation indices such as
| the Normalized Difference Vegetation Index (NDVI), have found
| extensive areas of "greening" in dryland areas of the
| Mediterranean, the Sahel, the Middle East and Northern China,
| as well as greening trends in Mongolia and South America. More
| recently, a global synthesis from 1982-2007 showed an overall
| "greening-up" trend over the Sahel belt, Mediterranean basin,
| China-Mongolia region and the drylands of South America."
|
| Global Greening Is Firm, Drivers Are Mixed - Harvard 2014
| http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015AGUFM.B31A0515K "Evidence for
| global greening is converging, asserting an increase in CO2
| uptake and biomass of the terrestrial biosphere. Global
| greening refers to global net increases in the area of green
| canopy, stocks of carbon, and the duration of the growing
| season. The growing seasons in general have prolonged while the
| stock of biomass carbon has increased and the rate of
| deforestation has decelerated. Evidence for these trends comes
| from firm empirical data obtained through atmospheric CO2
| observations, remote sensing, forest inventories and land use
| statistics."
|
| Rise in CO2 has 'greened Planet Earth'
| http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36130346 Prof
| Judith Curry, the former chair of Earth and atmospheric
| sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, added: "It is
| inappropriate to dismiss the arguments of the so-called
| contrarians, since their disagreement with the consensus
| reflects conflicts of values and a preference for the empirical
| (i.e. what has been observed) versus the hypothetical (i.e.
| what is projected from climate models)
| s_dev wrote:
| It was 16 Celcius in Ireland yesterday. I have my window wide
| open in the middle of winter to cool the apartment. I can
| appreciate climate != weather. However it is a very odd warming
| event.
| teh_klev wrote:
| I had my patio doors open at midnight last night _in rural
| Perthshire_ and was just wearing a t-shirt (and jeans). I
| thought I had "the fever", but upon checking the met forecast
| I was gobsmacked to see the temperature at around 15C. Yet only
| two days before I was scraping ice off of the car.
| jmugan wrote:
| Yep, Austin just had the warmest December on record. About 12
| degrees F above "normal."
| https://www.kvue.com/article/weather/december-2021-warmest-o....
| 123pie123 wrote:
| tongue in cheek uk weather seasons (but close to the truth)
|
| https://imgur.com/gallery/1Brt04C
|
| I think there should be an extra winter in there after summer
| begins
| nikkinana wrote:
| [deleted]
| swarnie wrote:
| I'm starting to think these global warming chaps have a point you
| know....
| wedn3sday wrote:
| An alternate reading: this is the coldest winter for the next
| century.
| subpixel wrote:
| A comment that stuck with me during the summer of 2021, when
| heat domes baked Sweden and Seattle and California and Greece
| were on fire, was that it was likely the coolest summer of the
| next decade.
| [deleted]
| wedn3sday wrote:
| Alternative reading: this is the coldest winter in the next
| century.
| jacquesm wrote:
| That has a fairly high probability of being true. And it's
| _very_ scary if true.
| beebeepka wrote:
| I don't have a habit of checking temperature but felt like 15
| degree here on Bulgaria. Spent most of the day outside and there
| were all kinds of insects flying around.
|
| Guess the summer is going to suck. Either too hot or too cold.
| polotics wrote:
| My bet is this will be the next 2003, after western Canada last
| year, mainland Europe may well be due for the next roast.
| b_emery wrote:
| For those of us used to degrees F, keep this in mind:
| 10 C ~= 50 F 20 C ~= 68 F 30 C ~= 86 F
|
| So 15 C is about 59 degrees F.
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