[HN Gopher] How I Build
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How I Build
Author : pketh
Score : 228 points
Date : 2021-12-28 15:16 UTC (1 days ago)
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| pxeger1 wrote:
| The content in this page is far too narrow compared to the whole
| page width. (Nice article and nice product, though!)
| montebicyclelo wrote:
| I liked the narrowness.
| reggieband wrote:
| Not totally related, but something like kinopio + spreadsheet
| would be pretty neat.
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| So often I find myself annoyed in Google Sheets that I either
| have to section off some subset of cells for some sub calculation
| or move that sub calculation onto another sheet.
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| I would love to have resizable independent tables/speadsheets
| inside cells on an infinite canvas like this that I could connect
| together.
| autopilot23 wrote:
| Nice! It work reminds me of this artwork from Dutch artist Harm
| van den Dorpel - https://harm.work/work/deli-near-info
|
| Unfortunately the actual web app doesn't seem to work anymore
| geenat wrote:
| Dark mode PLEASE. And thank you for building kinopio!!
| binwiederhier wrote:
| I love this so much. Will definitely try it out
| arikr wrote:
| Does anyone know if kinopio data is end to end encrypted when you
| sign up for an account that syncs?
| alserio wrote:
| Really nice tool, thanks!
| whalesalad wrote:
| Yes! I love this UI style! It's like Trello if it was designed by
| Nintendo.
|
| I'm working on a tangential yet similar tool for organizing
| thought in a graph and want it to feel like this - more like a
| fun/intuitive game and less like a brutalist tool.
| emretanirgan wrote:
| This looks amazing! Can't wait to dive in and make some of my own
| boards, really inspiring stuff :)
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| That's an awesome service!
|
| I'll have to play with it, a while, to see if it is something I
| will actually use.
|
| There are many great tools that I don't use, because I'm weird,
| but there are a few that I consider indispensable (also, because
| I'm weird).
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| If I decide it is one of these, I'll take a sub.
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| Whether I sub or not, it's definitely a labor of love.
| pketh wrote:
| I'm definitely weird so I can relate :) (kinopio creator here)
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| Kudos! Good job!
| vladstudio wrote:
| Discoveries like kinopio.club is precisely why I find myself
| browsing HN every morning. This is incredible! It is now going to
| take over the world, and I don't think it was meant to.
|
| <offtopic> This reminds me. For quite some time, I've been
| thinking about how the "infinite canvas" concept could be applied
| to a browser navigation (replacing tabs, history and bookmarks).
| Something like "tab overview" in Safari, but instead of just
| currently opened tabs, it takes you to an infinite canvas of
| tabs. </offtopic>
| ilaksh wrote:
| I think the issue is that the computer does not have infinite
| resources. Even with tabs where they are hidden most of the
| time it's a big engineering challenge. If you can zoom out and
| expect all activities to continue in the iframes.. it can work
| but there is just a limit.
|
| But besides the infinite thing, I had kind of the same idea
| last week when I was looking for a mind mapping tool that I
| could just embed web pages in.
| pketh wrote:
| Re infinite, Kinopio also uses tricks like this where the
| <canvas> you paint on is only viewport sized but moves when
| you scroll to give the illusion that it covers the page.
|
| That said, as cool as infinite sounds, you might not even
| want that irl.
|
| Truely infinite space, like in real life, is harder to find
| things in, and the content is likely less focused on a single
| topic, and therefore harder for a human to parse.
|
| (That said, I'm the kind of browser tab user to starts
| closing things after I get to like 10)
| vladstudio wrote:
| hey, you might like my wardrobe thing :-)
| https://wardrobe.vlad.studio/
| beaconstudios wrote:
| that's actually pretty cool! I often find myself
| researching a topic and then reluctantly having to close
| a ton of tabs when I have to do something else. This is a
| great solution - installing this, thanks.
| tshaddox wrote:
| I wouldn't focus that much on the word "infinite." It's more
| like "unbounded" or even just "big enough that you're
| exceedingly unlikely to run out of space."
| dang wrote:
| It was a Show HN in 2020--might be of interest:
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| _Show HN: Kinopio.club - visual thinking, brainstorming tool_
| - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24132631 - Aug 2020 (64
| comments)
| pketh wrote:
| bah, world domination just sounds like stress to me :)
| yawnxyz wrote:
| wow this is the first time I've heard of Kinopio... incredible
| that there are still weird, awesome, and highly complex projects
| like this out there!
| a_bonobo wrote:
| How is this different from Zettelkasten?
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zettelkasten
| lelandbatey wrote:
| I'd say that this product (https://kinopio.club/) is an
| implementation of the ideas of Zettelkasten[0], or at least
| shares a lot of DNA. However, lots and lots of things "are"
| Zettelkasten, or can work like Zettelkasten, or incorporate
| ideas of Zettelkasten. Examples of things which can be used
| like a Zettelkasten include:
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| - Org mode for Emacs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode
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| - Vimwiki for Vim https://github.com/vimwiki/vimwiki
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| - Notational Velocity, an OS X note-taking application
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notational_Velocity
|
| - Obsidian, a cross platform personal knowledgebase where its
| "DB format" is folders full of Markdown files
| https://obsidian.md/
|
| - A folder full of text files which you open in your favorite
| text editor can even work like a Zettelkasten (grep helps in
| this case though)
|
| [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zettelkasten
| unobatbayar wrote:
| Thanks for sharing.
|
| > Kinopio is free for 100 cards, afterwards it's $5/month
|
| How do you keep track of this? Can people just create another
| account when they reach 100 cards?
|
| Thank you, sorry for off-topic question..
| skinnymuch wrote:
| I assume people can do that. That's how it works with any
| free/freemium SaaS tier though. a few likely try to limit free
| usage abuse, but usually it's allowed because the benefits of
| going after the few people creating a bunch of free accounts
| isn't worth it, not financially or PR.
| pketh wrote:
| Yes this exactly. I would rather spend my time building cool
| new features than take on the burden of building and
| maintaining some over-engineered system to ensure that the
| card limit cannot be gamed in any way (which is probably
| impossible anyways)
| michael-ax wrote:
| please take a look at the performance. having made a change
| or two I've let the page sit in chrome for ~30mins before
| noticing that it was keeping that CPU at ~95%.
| pketh wrote:
| I'll look into that, can you share the space url?
|
| (I have a support forum at https://club.kinopio.club,
| which would be easier to use for bug reporting if you'd
| like)
| pketh wrote:
| I wrote about how I design, code, and market new features for
| https://kinopio.club
| yakshaving_jgt wrote:
| I think your approach is quietly brilliant.
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| This line in particular resonated with me:
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| > I started with words. If I can make something compelling in a
| .txt file, that's a good place to build from.
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| I love the animated examples and the video on the about page --
| they provide such immediate insight into the product.
|
| Wonderful work.
| svnpenn wrote:
| Doesn't work on Android Firefox...
| pketh wrote:
| Can you elaborate on what parts don't work? I'm tracking
| android issues in https://club.kinopio.club/t/bugs-on-
| android/346/2
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| I don't have android phone rn, so some interactions are a
| little janky on it right now. There's a warning about that
| which pops up on load on android.
| svnpenn wrote:
| I mean it doesnt work at all, I just get a blank screen. I
| thought it might be uBlock Origin, but nothing was being
| blocked on that page. I am using Firefox Android 68.
| selfup wrote:
| I am on latest FF for Android (95.2.0) and it works.
| jiggybling wrote:
| The paintbrush idea is brilliant.
|
| Also, not a plug, but I've used Roam Research
| (https://roamresearch.com/) before and it would be cool if
| there was some way to integrate how both you guys do linking.
| The difference being documents are linked together by basically
| a web hyperlink, whereas in kinopio the links can only happen
| at the card level, but the UI is much better.
| teitoklien wrote:
| This is such a beautifully made tool, heck, ive used figma
| jamboards before, and this is wayyyyy more intuitive and fun to
| use then that !,
|
| Congrats !, I hope you get tons of customers :D
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