[HN Gopher] Shrooms: What You Need to Know
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Shrooms: What You Need to Know
Author : yamrzou
Score : 202 points
Date : 2021-12-25 12:55 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| mam4 wrote:
| Tripsafe, Erowid, psychonaut and r/drugs are among the best
| ressources the web has been able to produce: thousands of actual
| trip reports, and empirically tested Risk Reductions procedures
| withtout stigma or judgement.
|
| Dont do drugs as a illegal thing that give you the thrill of
| being a bad boy. Take a scientifi approach of risk evaluation,
| read testimonies and reports and ensure your own safety, as you
| would do for something like diving and skydiving.
|
| Also never do drugs "because it makes you feel better when you
| are sad".
|
| Dont hesitate to ask more question
| temp0826 wrote:
| >> Also never do drugs "because it makes you feel better when
| you are sad".
|
| Unless in a proper session/ceremony with professionals/shamans
| __MatrixMan__ wrote:
| Agreed. I wonder about the bad things that didn't happen to me
| because I read about them on erowid instead, and recall fondly
| the ones that did happen to me because I read about them on
| erowid first.
|
| Friendly reminder that they're community/donation supported.
| mistermann wrote:
| > Also never do drugs "because it makes you feel better when
| you are sad".
|
| It's not risk free, but I disagree with this as absolute
| advice, a trip can fill up one's spiritual gas tank to keep on
| moving forward, they can demonstrate that one's depression is
| largely illusory.
| mam4 wrote:
| Sure. But for a "one time" or "very small number of times".
|
| I was mostly referring to falling into an habit to numb the
| pain
| mistermann wrote:
| > But for a "one time" or "very small number of times".
|
| Is this based on personal experience, clinical studies,
| something else?
| upstarter wrote:
| If you ever had this feeling telling you "This can't be it, there
| _must_ be more to this story... ", then you should at least
| consider this avenue.
| shaky wrote:
| I love this. This was me in 2017 and following the white rabbit
| led to a most spectacular year. It really is a birth right, and
| people chosing 'no' are really missing out on a fundamental
| aspect of being alive.
|
| On another note, I always love psych threads on HN. High
| quality posts all around.
| lawlorino wrote:
| I feel a bit sad hearing this, I'm a pretty anxious person so
| I'll probably never experiment. While I love reading about
| people's experiences I often hear warnings that people like
| me should stay far far away.
| hirundo wrote:
| I grew some last Spring but have been too chicken since to try
| them. They're dried, but I don't know if they're dried enough.
| Does anyone know if there's any additional risk if they've gotten
| at all rotten?
| theli0nheart wrote:
| You would probably know if they were rotten--smell and/or looks
| would be really off. As for whether they're dry, they're dry
| enough if they break apart easily--they should crack, not bend.
|
| There's also no such thing as a minimum dose. People have found
| benefits with very small amounts (1/20g) if you're just curious
| --it literally cannot hurt.
| __MatrixMan__ wrote:
| Bacterial infection in shrooms typically smells like feet.
| Naturally they smell a bit like farts when you're eating then
| (but are mostly odorless when dried proper). I'd avoid them if
| the former and tolerate them if the latter.
|
| They bruise blue (and it's hard to pick them without bruising
| the stems) which can look nearly black when dried. This can
| make them look moldy when they aren't. If they're actually
| moldy I'd toss them.
|
| When I used to grow I settled on letting them sit on a grate
| with a fan blowing at them for a few days (the air is dry here,
| ymmv), then I'd store them with desiccant packets. They should
| be crispy like potato chips, no mushyness.
|
| As for trepidation, that's understandable. I'd start with a
| super light dose (.5 g) at first just to see what you're
| dealing with. I'm glad I've had potent trips in the past (I
| usually find 3.5 g is enough, but it'll vary by batch and by
| human), but these days I usually dose lightly.
| monetus wrote:
| If there is a contamination then the risk is up to what
| contaminated them, but if they are just dried then the
| psilocin(1) breaks down eventually leaving you with just the
| psilocybin.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocin
| shroomer wrote:
| I did 2g of dried shrooms about a week ago, having almost no
| prior experience.
|
| It was fun - I was seeing funny things, my friends looked funny,
| I laughed a lot, was a lot more talkative and social.
|
| My only issue was a tension headache which started about when the
| first effects came on and was even worse the day after, lashing
| until about 24 hours after the mushrooms were taken. My friends
| did not get the headache.
|
| Otherwise, while I found the experience fun, and I'd do it again
| if it wasn't for the headache, I really can't fathom how people
| describe it as one of the most profound experiences of their
| lives.
| suikadayo wrote:
| Everyone is suggesting taking more but you can have a decently
| profound experience with just 2g.
|
| Try it with an eye mask and just music next time, and no other
| distractions, maybe with a trip sitter nearby.
| crawfordcomeaux wrote:
| I agree with this. Even the music may serve as too much of a
| distraction, as well.
| dwmbt wrote:
| when i first started experimenting with psychedelics on my
| own, i would set up stations in my room. i had a sketchpad
| on my desk and an assortment of pens and pencils, next to
| that i had a journal where i would routinely jot down my
| fleeting thoughts/feelings. across the room, i had my
| window open, so that i could look at the stars outside and
| feel like i wasn't trapped in a shoebox. on my bed, i had
| my phone and a nice pair of headphones. i also had my
| computer here, so that i could watch tv. sometimes, when my
| dog would let me, i would also curl up next to him on the
| floor. over time, i tried to introduce new stations, like
| programming and reading, but they never really stuck.
|
| all of these activities kept me busy, but none of them were
| quite as fulfilling as just closing my eyes and letting my
| mind do the work (even with music as a guide). eventually,
| i just started doing the opposite -> the stations remained,
| but only as tools to help me beat my anxiety and/or
| boredom. if i ever feel that i am approaching a period of
| overwhelming feelings, i distract myself with the
| activities i mentioned.
| benevol wrote:
| > I really can't fathom how people describe it as one of the
| most profound experiences of their lives.
|
| For this to be possible, you need to be alone (= undistracted)
| and (ideally) be surrounded by beautiful and calm nature, in a
| completely secure setting.
|
| Then, your inner state must be ready for this.
|
| Also, if your current level of consciousness is not ready for
| it, it won't happen at this point in time.
| inDigiNeous wrote:
| Each and every psychedelic experience can be totally different,
| not directly even related to the amount you take. Set and
| setting, and your mindset and preparation, the intention that
| you take while you do it matter a lot.
|
| Eating 2g of dried mushrooms can be a life changing experience,
| or just a fun evening wondering on about the world. It can even
| not work at all, or give you just a slight feeling of being in
| an altered state.
|
| Personally, after experiencing mushrooms and other psychedelics
| over a 10 year period of time, these days even a small under 1g
| dose can bring a very strong experience.
|
| Depends a lot also what you have eaten before the experience,
| how you have prepared for it etc etc .. maybe the headache is
| something that the mushrooms just brought to the surface in
| that moment, might not happen on your second time.
| arrakis2021 wrote:
| You fell just short of the "profound experience line"
|
| You need at least 3.5G to have that. While that may seem
| intimidating it's not that much more than 2G, but enough to
| make your inner consciousness turn up to 11
| dave_sullivan wrote:
| Agreed. Up the dose. Dunno about the headache, never had that
| happen.
| teaearlgraycold wrote:
| Depends. I had a mildly profound experience with 2.5g. I was
| alone in nature with my thoughts for 2 hours and came away
| with some nice revelations.
| crawfordcomeaux wrote:
| I ate 8g of dried shrooms a few days ago. Once things really
| got going, I spent the time mostly in the dark at home focusing
| on whatever came to me. The intentions I set were for ego death
| of some kind. Much of it was spent grieving childhood trauma
| and the state of the world, most of which was done while
| singing, snorting, making other mouth noises, laughing, crying,
| or some combination of those. Yesterday, I realized I have
| preverbal trauma and most people probably do, too. Sharing this
| with the person I'm partnering with, who went on a mushroom
| journey a few weeks ago to address their own preverbal trauma,
| seemed to open the door for them to soften toward me. We've
| been going through rough times, as she slipped into a PTSD
| episode upon getting pregnant, it's still going on, and how she
| acts when triggering into her trauma matches patterns of my own
| trauma, so we've had a difficult time over the past 3.5 years.
| I haven't been very compassionate/empathetic in how I receive
| her and often feel confused about what to do or say. Today,
| that wasn't the case. We both received each other graciously
| (and let it go quickly when we didn't), freely offered and
| accepted hugs, and created a lovely little Christmas scene for
| the child, as well as started collaboratively designing content
| for santaisdeadlonglivesanta.net.
|
| These are profound and immediate changes in my life. I look
| forward to what mushrooms have to further teach me.
|
| Oh, I also had the realization that ego death doesn't need to
| be this cataclysmic, big, scary, break from reality thing done
| with eyes literally closed and that if I already carry a cosmic
| identity, dissolving into the cosmos provides insight that can
| come from reflecting on being the cosmos.
|
| If you've read this far, do yourself a favor, look up CPTSD and
| preverbal trauma, and check to see if there's something you
| went through when little that's still alive and getting in your
| way.
| kcindric wrote:
| What is your experience with handling trips with CPTSD? I'm
| on the verge of exploring mushrooms and have pretty serious
| CPTSD symptoms and burdens. I'm doing therapy and a lot of
| self-therapy like somatic experiencing, dancing, IFS and just
| doing whatever my body wants to do. I hope that mushrooms
| would be a great addition to that 'do whatever I want'
| therapy by intensifying my child brain, but also I'm fearful
| that things could get bad in the moment or worse in the long
| run.
| fidesomnes wrote:
| lambdaba wrote:
| > tension headache
|
| take magnesium, recommend especially if you're going to take in
| any psychedelic
| renewiltord wrote:
| I know lots of people will warn you about this stuff but with the
| caveat that every person is different: I have friends with high
| anxiety and all these things. We trip together quite pleasantly
| and enjoyably.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| stevehiehn wrote:
| Hmm, I worry about the doses listed. 1.6g of potent caps will get
| you right fucked. If you haven't done them before and are
| planning on having a couple drinks and socializing etc I
| recommend no more than 0.5g (for at least 1.5hrs) then re-access
| from there.
| Nbox9 wrote:
| Different mushroom species have different quantities of active
| ingredients. Describing the dry weight of a mushroom is really
| only a secondary measurement of the active ingredients.
|
| Elsewhere on the website they compare 2.4g of mushrooms to
| about 100ug of LSD. So 1.7g of mushrooms would be equivalent of
| about 45ug of LSD, and the micro dose range of LSD is 5-25ug.
| Tripsafe is attempting to describe a light dose, which should
| include only minor visuals. They are likely using P. Cubensis
| to describe dosage, which is very common in North America, but
| only half the potency of the most potent psychedelic mushrooms.
| "Liberty cabs" or P. Semilanceata are more common in Europe,
| and are often more potent than P. Cubensis.
|
| There might also be a cultural difference on the expectations
| for a psychedelic experiences and the activities one should do
| during it.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Psilocybe_species
| criticaltinker wrote:
| Good point about the quantity of active ingredients varying
| by species.
|
| It's worth noting that GP may have been referring to the
| physical _distribution_ of active ingredients within the
| mushroom body. The "cap" of a mushroom almost always contains
| significantly more active ingredients.
|
| Thus, 1 gram of stems may yield a significantly different
| dose than 1 gram of "caps".
| antjanus wrote:
| I've done 4-5g several times before, I guess it affects
| everyone differently?
| hbosch wrote:
| Hm. When I first tried mushrooms, "splitting an eighth" was the
| common dosage which is slightly more than 1.6g.
| tyingq wrote:
| Never did any type of psychedelics. You don't read much about
| "death by misadventure" associated with them though. I'm curious
| about this.
|
| Alcohol, for example, is pretty famous for clouding judgement,
| reducing inhibition, and so on. Such that otherwise rational
| people drive intoxicated, get into fights, fall asleep in
| inappropriate places, fall off of and into things, etc.
|
| Psychedelics obviously cause you to hallucinate. So why don't I
| hear about more accidents? Does they seem to leave your common
| sense, judgement, etc, in place?
| acchow wrote:
| People drink alcohol and then try to do things like catch a
| subway train to get home - possibly while still drinking more.
| Psychedelic users don't really behave this way. If you're
| planning to trip so hard that you can't actually see reality
| anymore, people plan for this and do it in a safe space.
|
| People also dose their trips - they know how much they'll be
| taking that day. With alcohol, it seems people just keep
| pouring more down their throats as they get drunker.
| galaxyLogic wrote:
| Alcohol is a depressant. It reduces your awareness. It even
| reduces your awareness of how drunk you are. It gives you
| pleasure and then you feel the need to drink more to stay in
| that pleasurable state. The idea that your actions might have
| consequences doesn't much enter your mind because alcohol
| depresses your thinking. You think less and you observe less
| when you are drunk. That is dangerous.
| colechristensen wrote:
| Bad things do happen but hallucinogens tend to make you just
| not want to do misadventurous things. Like "I'd like to go walk
| to the store on the corner and get a sandwich, but that seems
| like it would be a little too intense right now" is a common
| sort of thought. Yes driving would be quite dangerous but it's
| usually also quite an undesirable experience and your reason
| just isn't so inhibited like with alcohol or many other kinds
| of drugs.
| klyrs wrote:
| My dad had some pretty wild stories about near-death
| misadventures. He stopped after he came home tripping and my
| mom made him change a diaper...
|
| I learned from these stories: don't drive on hallucinogens, and
| don't trip when you've got real-life responsibilities.
| stavros wrote:
| Driving on hallucinogens? Whenever I've taken LSD it was
| quite clear that I couldn't and shouldn't drive. It's not
| like alcohol, where you think you can drive. With LSD you
| very clearly have the presence of mind to know you can't.
| klyrs wrote:
| Well... the set of things we find self-evident today are
| not the same as those from the 70s... but once, he _did_
| realize that he shouldn 't be driving. So he pulled over,
| and climbed down a 50' cliff down to the beach to walk
| home. Which, I kinda find incredible: last time I was
| tripping near a cliff, I noticed that the height appeared
| to be getting short enough to jump down, so I advised my
| sitter that we should change locations.
|
| Oh, and it bears mentioning that folks who do drugs
| recreationally tend to mix hallucinogens with other
| substances. LSD on its own is comparably clear-headed, but
| I've known people to mix it with weed, cocaine, mdma,
| etc... and who knows what's going to sound like a good
| idea.
| defaultname wrote:
| "You don't read much about "death by misadventure" associated
| with them though"
|
| When stories do come out, they tend to be over the top. For
| instance-
|
| https://globalnews.ca/news/4735129/thomas-chan-guilty-mansla...
|
| People with certain conditions should stay away from
| psychedelics.
|
| Having said that, as others said a normal experience does not
| include hallucinations of the cliche "see weird crazy things
| that aren't there" variety. Instead you get more of an
| experience from patterns, music seems richer, colours deeper,
| etc.
|
| Our brain dulls reality for us as a evolutionary benefit to
| allow us to focus our brainpower only on changes/unique things
| (e.g. the predator sneaking up in our periphery). Shrooms roll
| that back a bit so suddenly the pattern on a blanket, the
| branches on a tree, or the backing track in a piece of music,
| or even the varying white points of lights, comes front and
| center. In many ways it's like experiencing things with fresh
| eyes and ears, and that really is the delight of the
| experience, de-jading our senses.
|
| This can be a disadvantage if you're doing something safety
| critical and suddenly you're amazed how you never noticed the
| features of some thing, distracting your attention. No one
| should ever drive or do dangerous things under the influence.
| The evolutionary benefit allows us to focus attention in a way
| that keeps us and those around us safe.
|
| But from a judgment perspective, I am a fairly average chess
| player (I mean among active players), and under the influence
| of shrooms I play at the same level as not. I manage time as
| well, etc. I have programmed some critical code that I later
| marvel over on shrooms. This is wholly different from under the
| influence of alcohol, for instance, where my ability drops
| precipitously.
| c54 wrote:
| The hallucination affected by psychedelics such as mushrooms
| isn't what you might expect. It's not a fully synthetic kind of
| "i now see an object that is not actually there". There won't
| be a floating pink elephant in the middle of the room.
|
| Instead the effect at most normal doses (3.5g) is more that the
| walls and floors seem to take on a slightly ephemeral breathing
| characteristic. You may see patterns in things of varying
| complexity and intensity. The patterns may seem to shift and
| meld into eachother in a kind of loop... Psychonaut wiki[0] has
| several approximations of varying quality, a lot of the gifs in
| particular (the cat lying on the couch and the wolf drinking)
| resonate with me.
|
| Sensory input can also include audio hallucinations, as well as
| perceptions that are simply normally filtered out of our
| experience by our brains--a sense of the organs inside your
| body, or the teeth in your mouth, or whatever.
|
| A lot of the effects are mental, prompting often amusing and
| revelatory departures from your normal thought patterns.
| Everything old is new again. You may find yourself deeply
| examining the complexity of your hands, or the bizarre fact
| that we're not always "like this", or in deep awe of the
| staggering complexity of civilization or the chemical machines
| that are our bodies. That kind of thing.
|
| The realization that we collectively have no idea what we're
| doing here, that a whole lot of what we believe to be real and
| permanent is imaginary and temporary, and that there are no
| rules to life, no winners, that we should take care of nature
| and each other, and that you should follow your muse to do what
| you find interesting and beautiful.
|
| Media portrayal of this varies but some shows do hit it quite
| on the head, actually Mad Men has an interesting trip episode
| that understates the visual component and emphasizes the
| mental[1]. Broad city's was particularly colorful and fun
| (S4e4, full ep. isn't on youtube).
|
| Some media can give you a bit of a taste of the experience,
| others grossly exaggerate it or flat out misrepresent it. You
| know how it goes.
|
| [0] https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Visual_effects_-
| _Psychedelic... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpWlKCfSPcU
| Bradlinc wrote:
| I was disappointed the first time I took mushrooms because I
| didn't see pink elephants. I thought I hadn't taken a high
| enough dosage. In its place I took a deep trip that allowed
| me to reflect on where I was in my life, which was more
| profound then seeing pink elephants. Oddly it too me a couple
| of weeks to realize that was the point.
| robbedpeter wrote:
| One trick to understanding what psychedelics are doing is to
| recognize that what's happening in those visual effects is
| also happening to all your other senses and cognitive
| processes. Having your sense of depth go into a reflective
| fractal spiral is a fascinating experience. People often hear
| sound go into a robotic type modulation. The circuits that
| trigger when you feel the meaningfulness of things go into
| overdrive.
|
| Smaller thought loops can take you over the exact same
| sequence of input/ output over the course of several minutes
| of nothing jars you or if it.
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| Note that you very much can get "floating pink elephants",
| but not from psychedelics -- you need to get into deliriants
| for that: Datura plant in small doses, red mushrooms,
| diphenhydramine or amantadine in large doses, and some other
| stuff (like these tablets from military first-aid kits:
| https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Aprofene).
|
| These things were somewhat popular in my language segment of
| the internet about ten years ago. A lot of people were
| experimenting with the stuff. Usually one trip was more than
| enough to never want to repeat that again.
|
| Try reading some trip reports on erowid if you're curious.
|
| https://www.erowid.org/general/big_chart.shtml
| Jim_Heckler wrote:
| Deliriants are fascinating, and the experience sounds
| absolutely nightmarish. The most interesting thing to me is
| how the most common feature of every trip of some of the
| drugs (I think Datura and dph) is repeatedly thinking
| you're smoking a cigarette, accidentally dropping it then
| realizing there was no cigarette. And it happens to people
| who've never smoked.
| Overtonwindow wrote:
| It takes 6 mg to make me trip. Even then it's very mild
| visual oddities.
| OGWhales wrote:
| This sub reddit has a lot of examples of people trying to
| recreate what they saw while tripping. There are some pretty
| good examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/replications
|
| Also, I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that some
| of the hallucinations you see on psychedelics are
| signals/noise your brain normally filters out, but stops
| getting filtered during the trip. I believe the context was
| for so called "sacred geometry". For example, if you look up
| the "flower of life", this is a pattern people regularly see
| while tripping and it's one I saw myself the first time I
| took shrooms.
| c54 wrote:
| Yeah! There's evidence for a reduction of the brain's
| normal input-filtering processes that I alluded to in the
| parent post. As Huxley says, 'the doors of perception are
| opened'
|
| These two articles discuss in more detail some of the
| biological/neurological correlates for the types of
| patterns seen during psychedelic experiences. Some of the
| pictures of retinal structure etc are pretty eye opening
| (hah):
|
| https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-math-theory-for-why-
| people-...
|
| https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-
| ha...
| beej71 wrote:
| From what I hear, the idea of doing anything complex like
| driving a car is extremely unappealing under the effects of
| mushrooms.
| convolvatron wrote:
| I've wrecked a car on mushrooms...not-really-driving like a
| maniac with a bunch of friends hanging out the windows was
| arguably the most fun I ever had.
| damontal wrote:
| It's hard to concentrate on traffic when the clouds appear to
| be in flames.
| CPLX wrote:
| 1) They're not addictive in the classic sense where people are
| habituated and have to take them every day.
|
| 2) As far as I know there's no straightforward way to test for
| them and I'd have to assume people who are high on psychedelics
| that get into an accident aren't excited to volunteer the
| information.
| toomanydoubts wrote:
| Once, I ate 9 grams of dried shrooms, which is something like
| 3-4x the average dosage and almost double of what's called an
| heroic dose. I went into the most intense trip I ever had.
| During the trip, I called a friend because I was kinda scared,
| he said that if I hadn't told him about the shrooms, he
| would've thought I was completely sober.
|
| Now, give me a couple of beers and I'll be slurring in no time.
| BrianOnHN wrote:
| It can be quite tough to get out of your seat on sufficient
| mushrooms, which limits many possibilities of misadventures.
| celticninja wrote:
| Most people when tripping wil be fully aware that they are
| tripping, and therefore usually more careful than if you were
| drunk.
|
| Of course I'm reminded of Bill Hicks who cautioned, "when on
| drugs, if you think you can fly, take off from the ground"
| betwixthewires wrote:
| I remember trying to imagine what it would be like before ever
| having taken any. Even the word "hallucinate" is misleading
| here. It's much more involved than that. It's also specific to
| the compounds and how they act on your body. They're not all
| the same, although similar molecules are similar. Specifically
| from tryptamines (ayahuasca/DMT, psilocybin, LSD, morning
| glory, etc) you don't hear about crazy accidents because they
| don't "do that" to you, they're not like that. You'd have to
| experience them to really understand, but I wouldn't say they
| leave your judgment in tact in the way you'd expect, but they
| do leave it in tact in the sense that matters, you're probably
| not going to find yourself running naked down the street from
| taking mushrooms or thinking you can fly and jumping off a
| building.
| jinjin2 wrote:
| Last year there was a pretty public case of a guy dying during
| a ceremony where they used psychedelic toad venom.
| https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52920291.amp
| tyingq wrote:
| Ah, that's a bad decision while sober, before taking
| anything, though. Different category.
| keb_ wrote:
| This is a great resource to anyone interested in psychedelics in
| general. I've only done psychedelics twice in my lifetime, both
| with the same friend, and both times _NOT_ in ideal scenarios
| (because we were both tripping without a sober person trip-
| sitting us). I would like to warn anyone interested that
| *tripping is risky if you suffer from high anxiety or OCD*.
|
| My first trip was an incredible experience, I couldn't wait for
| my next chance to trip. Unfortunately, my second trip went south
| very fast; I became very anxious and I started having fears that
| I would unreasonably kill myself or murder my friend. What I
| didn't know at the time was that I suffered from "Harm OCD" and
| that the psychedelics were magnifying my OCD tenfold, and thus
| triggered a horrendous panic attack that wouldn't end until the
| effects of the drugs wore off.
| mettamage wrote:
| Sounds familiar, what is harm OCD?
| kinjba11 wrote:
| > Harm OCD is a subset of classic obsessive compulsive
| disorder (OCD). The condition is characterized by having
| aggressive, intrusive thoughts of doing violence to someone,
| as well as the responses the person uses to cope with these
| thoughts... OCD makes the individual feel that they can't
| trust their own mind. Wherein someone without OCD could have
| a violent thought and recognize that it is simply a thought,
| a person with OCD who has the Harm OCD subset worries that
| just having the thought is somehow meaningful.
|
| https://centerforanxietydisorders.com/what-is-harm-ocd/
| t8e56vd4ih wrote:
| I've tripped dozens of times on lsd, shrooms, dmt and a few
| RCs. I'm also suffering from such fears during the comeup.
| after it it's usually smooth sailing. but during my 50 to 100
| trips i never actually did anything harmful in any way. so
| that's that. but it's really annoying.
| pksebben wrote:
| gotta build a relationship with it. once the two of you have
| had a heart to heart and accepted each other, you can start
| smoothing things out.
|
| talking about the fear, natch.
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| Keep in mind that "harm reduction" material shouldn't be
| interpreted as a guide to avoiding all potential negative
| consequences.
|
| When it comes to psychedelics, the pendulum of popular opinion
| has swung from an extreme of "extremely bad for you" to "actually
| good for you" but neither extreme is good, IMO.
|
| It's worth reading some of the material about how psychedelic
| users are weirdly prone to picking up strange beliefs. Not
| _everyone_ of course, but even a large number of psychedelic
| researchers who were supposedly doing it the "right way" were
| still walking away with bizarre and irrational beliefs:
| https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/28/why-were-early-psyched...
|
| These belief-shifting outcomes aren't mentioned in harm reduction
| guides. In many cases, they're actually celebrated by users with
| an implicit assumption that all belief changes from psychedelics
| must be inherently good. I think it's important to understand
| that thoughts and feelings imparted by psychedelics aren't _real_
| and may likely be entirely meaningless.
|
| It's also important to know that the thoughts and feelings and
| experiences induced by psychedelics aren't necessarily entirely
| positive. The negative anecdotes tend to get lost among the
| hyperbole about psychedelics producing magical experiences, but
| it's not hard to find stories about difficult trips or trips that
| induced long-lasting negative mental states on Internet forums.
| They tend to be downvote, ignored, or explained away by blaming
| the victim for doing it wrong. However, it is a very real and not
| uncommon possibility, which is why harm reduction guides
| emphasize the need for sitters to monitor the user and why every
| psychedelic research study had included 10X as much therapy
| sessions as psychedelic sessions.
| mam4 wrote:
| I dont think anyone informed say psychedelic are "extremely bad
| for you"
| benevol wrote:
| Well, these plants obliterate tons of (anti-depressant)
| revenues for the pharma industry, which is why they deploy
| their FUD and disinformation army. Hence the "extremely bad
| for you" astroturfing.
| mam4 wrote:
| Fair enough
| crawfordcomeaux wrote:
| When reading advice before my last trip, it occurred to me
| there's a lot of fear-mongering around psychedelics due to
| judgment.
|
| People judging experiences as positive/negative distracts from
| what's going on. Simply labeling challenging-to-accept
| experiences as "bad" and large doses as "heroic" is enough to
| establish a distracting delusion. It was upon realizing this
| that I decided I understood how to approach the mushrooms for
| my last trip:
|
| 4g of the mushrooms were measured out by someone. Another
| unknown and (visibly less seeming) amount was gifted to me by
| someone else. At first, I was torn on whether to take just the
| amount measured out or to take more. Upon reading a bit of
| advice to remind me about how to navigate mushroom journeys, I
| remembered we can't KNOW anything (like how much mushrooms by
| weight was in front of me) and also taking the unknown amount
| was completely in line with my values of courage, embracing
| uncertainty, and deep analysis.
|
| Most of the harm reduction guidelines seem to be designed for
| people who are living in a society that's automated judgment of
| experience and haven't unlearned that, yet.
| sedibles wrote:
| Fair enough, but I would disagree on the point about taking
| an unknown amount (unless I misunderstood?). In my view
| correct dosing is one of the best ways to achieve a safe
| experience. One of the biggest issues with such substances is
| that most users will have no idea how strong the dose is, or
| if it is even what it says it is.
|
| Courage is one thing, but overdosing is not a pleasant
| experience, even if it is usually not (physically) unsafe.
| Cannabis edibles are famous for this since most people have
| no idea how strong their brownies even after they make them.
| It was one of the main reasons I made an online calculator as
| a side project (http://www.scientificedibles.com) to help
| people to estimate dosage, rather than "take one" and end up
| on the floor.
| crawfordcomeaux wrote:
| I agree. It really depends on the substance, of course. 5g+
| (for the species I was visiting with) is considered the
| high end. I was also not necessarily seeking a pleasant
| experience. I was seeking to uproot violent urge within me
| that kept rising up from chronically not being heard (and
| that includes not hearing myself).
|
| A high dose of mushrooms is way way different than a high
| dose of LSD or cannabis.
| theli0nheart wrote:
| > _Not everyone of course, but even a large number of
| psychedelic researchers who were supposedly doing it the "right
| way" were still walking away with bizarre and irrational
| beliefs:https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/28/why-were-early-
| psyched..._
|
| That article gives examples of folks who _most definitely_ were
| not using psychedelics safety. Timothy Leary is famous for his
| controversial experiments.
|
| Moreover, LSD and mushrooms are often conflated in discussions
| like this, but it should be noted that the two drugs have
| widely different outcomes and safe usage parameters.
| tonypace wrote:
| The link itself conflates them.
| crawfordcomeaux wrote:
| Also, there's this from the link:
|
| "The third possibility is the one that really intrigues me. A
| 2011 study found that a single dose of psilocybin could
| permanently increase the personality dimension of Openness To
| Experience. I'm emphasizing that because personality is
| otherwise pretty stable after adulthood; nothing should be
| able to do this."
|
| The fact is everything IS able to do this and it's up to the
| person to choose it. Most people don't.
|
| The idea that personality is a stable feature after adulthood
| is simply a cultural phenomena. As a person who has
| accidentally/intentionally constructed different identities
| with different voices in the head after out the mouth, it's
| very clear to me people's identities are incredibly malleable
| and most people are simply unaware/unpracticed in how to do
| it.
| coffeemig wrote:
| Responses to your comment are contrary, but my anecdata: Just
| after I moved away from a particular social scene, a bunch of
| close friends in it got very into psychedelics. Weekly usage or
| more frequent, all different kinds of che,ical ('pure' lsd,
| street acid, shrooms, DMT, RCs, etc.)
|
| Many of them did adopt some real wacky beliefs that they have
| held onto many years past their use. 'Radicality' of belief
| seemed proportional to volume of use. I'm talking Q-anon levels
| of delusion and beyond. They all felt they were in touch with
| greater truths and pitied me and my judgement; my self-
| restriction of perception. They have a lot of flowery language
| about how I can't know what I can't see that you have to be
| some sort of logician to parse.
|
| In one case, I have watched this 'enlightenment' morph over the
| years from communicationg with beings from beyond the veil to
| potentially violent political extremism. The guy has been sober
| for years but low-key views all of his actions and work through
| a lens of 'ultimate battle of cosmic good and evil'. Naturally
| 'good' cosmically aligns with whatever his interests at that
| time are.
|
| If you're a young person reading this: taking psychedelics a
| couple times is an interesting experience, perhaps worthwhile.
| But I'm real damn certain that the 'enlightenment' is basically
| being high. Drunk on a false sense of peace with the universe
| which exists only as a malfunction in your brain's wiring.
| Beware people who tout those effects. They are out of touch
| with reality.
|
| *I have read there is clinical potential to help PTSD
| sufferers. I'm not denying this. But 99% of usage is not
| happening is carefully, scientifically studied and controlled
| situations. Keeping a trip journal is not scientific, even if
| you have a chem phd.
| mistermann wrote:
| > They all felt they were in touch with greater truths and
| pitied me and my judgement; my self-restriction of
| perception. They have a lot of flowery language about how I
| can't know what I can't see that you have to be some sort of
| logician to parse.
|
| This concept has been promoted by philosophers and mystics
| for centuries and is completely consistent with mainstream
| neuroscience and psychology. I'm not saying that your friends
| genuinely transcended this barrier, but that they didn't and
| thought they did is not a proof that such a realm does not
| exist.
|
| > They are out of touch with reality.
|
| Surely. But, do you believe that you are _accurately_ in
| touch with reality?
| mattcwilson wrote:
| > "thoughts and feelings imparted by psychedelics aren't
| _real_..."
|
| I mean, in what possible way are they "less real" than thoughts
| and feelings imparted by any other cause? This is your body,
| doing the thing in reaponse to a stimulus. This may be an
| atypical stimulus generating very different than usual
| responses, but they're certainly _real_
| CPLX wrote:
| Clearly it depends on your definition of real.
|
| But it's not a complicated concept to get. Like a person who
| is drunk might see double, when in fact there is one object.
| A person who is on a lot of amphetamines might believe they
| are being purposely followed when in fact there are no people
| intentionally following them.
|
| Those perceptions are not real, in any commonly understood
| meaning of the word. It's easy to understand what the parent
| comment meant in that context as well.
| throw_nbvc1234 wrote:
| If you get angry at someone and later realize it was just a
| misunderstanding, is that "real" anger?
| mistermann wrote:
| I think a lot of people miss this very important yet
| ~subtle (easy to _completely_ miss) aspect of what can be
| learned from psychedelics.
| a_throwaway_3 wrote:
| What you need to know is that it will make you dumb and stupid,
| and you'll sit there giggling to yourself incapable of any
| coherent thought, like a drooling idiot. At least that's what
| it'll look like from the outside. From the inside, you'll feel
| like you've opened a door to a magical land of true
| understanding, like the veneer of convention has peeled off the
| world and you can finally _see_ the underlying superstruture of
| reality. So not only do you turn into a drooling idiot, you turn
| into a delusional drooling idiot.
|
| And then it takes over your life because it takes days to really
| get down from those dizzying heights of sudden chemical
| revelation, only you don't realise you're still high so you still
| think you really made all those lofty realisations. Then you go
| and have some more because you 're still incapable of rational
| thought and who's going to stop you anyway? It can be years
| before something breaks you out of this vivious cycle of making
| yourself stupid and being too stupid to understand how stupid you
| have become as a consequence.
|
| So don't do it. Life's too short. Go read a book. Go learn a
| craft. Go get a hobby. Learn woodcutting. Learn to bake. Learn to
| cook. Have more sex. Maybe get a degree or two. But don't do shit
| that burns your brain because you only get one brain. And it is
| very easy to damage irreparably.
| inDigiNeous wrote:
| This comment is just plain wrong. It has been even studied and
| proven scientifically that for example psilocin, one of the
| main components of the psilocybe family of mushrooms promotes
| neuroplasticity and neuritogenesis (Neuritogenesis is a key
| process required during development of the mammalian brain).
| [1]
|
| So, the completely reverse of what you said is true, mushrooms
| can actually promote repairing the brain and strengthen new,
| more healthy connections within it.
|
| * [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6082376/
| mistermann wrote:
| > This comment is just plain wrong.
|
| Not _everywhere_ though. "Is" is a very tricky word.
| sib301 wrote:
| This gave me a good laugh
| mattcwilson wrote:
| Is there anything about the studies on safety linked in the
| article that you would specifically refute?
|
| I think you are right that particular substances have
| immediate, serious, irreversible harm to your brain.
|
| Psilocybin is not one of those substances.
| celticninja wrote:
| Reefer madness but for shrooms, this would make good copypasta
| elsewhere on the internet.
| aqme28 wrote:
| > Life's too short.
|
| Life's too short not to at least try something new and unique
| and harmless, no? It only costs you an afternoon.
| SOLAR_FIELDS wrote:
| Counterpoint: psychedelics helped me overcome a lifelong
| problem with social anxiety and helped me to overcome fear of
| dancing in public. Over a decade later I can still say that the
| changes they made have had a profound and long-lasting positive
| impact on my life.
| BurningFrog wrote:
| How specifically did it help with your social anxiety?
| meowkit wrote:
| Not the same person as the parent comment.
|
| An LSD tripped helped with my social anxiety as a second
| order effect of helping me become more empathetic.
|
| Through a dozen different thought loops + the psychedelic
| driven introspection of my first trip, I became much more
| sensitive and appreciative of my fellow humans. I was able
| to more properly emulate what someone might be
| thinking/feeling, and that has continued to bear fruit for
| me personally and professionally. Additionally, I became
| more tolerant of others and their differences in all
| dimensions. The idea of homosexuality in the past had left
| me queasy and suspicious. In the days after my first LSD
| experience, that difference no longer gave me any negative
| feelings.
|
| Any more specific than that and we would be getting into
| neuro-chemistry. I am not well versed and you would have to
| do your own research. I do recall that LSD boosts some
| neurotransmitter/modulator sensitivity, and dis-inhibits
| the Default Mode Network - allowing for a wider range of
| introspective experiences which may explain my above
| experience. I like this articles [0] comparison to
| defragging a hard-drive. I often phrase psychedelics as a
| chemical way to observe your mind being stuck in some high
| dimensional local optima of state/opinion. Then you can
| choose to pull yourself out of those optima and reform your
| deeply held beliefs.
|
| Another related term of interest might be ego-death/ego-
| loss.
|
| https://psychedelicstoday.com/2020/02/04/psychedelics-and-
| th...
| meepmorp wrote:
| I feel like I'm alone in this, but I don't like mushrooms. I
| usually have unpleasant body effects, and I don't like the trip
| generally. I'm fairly confident in my ability to have dosed as
| responsibly as possible with a biological product. Usually,
| though, I just feel weird and uncomfortable for 10. LSD, by
| comparison, is positively therapeutic for me.
| colordrops wrote:
| My experience is that LSD, when good, is great, but when bad,
| can be disastrous. Mushrooms, while not as crisp and euphoric
| as LSD, don't seem to ever leave me scarred, even with large
| doses. I'll be laughing about a bad trip on mushrooms after I
| come down, but will be left unable to function in society for 6
| months after a bad trip on LSD.
| acchow wrote:
| Fully agree. Bad LSD trip changes your life dramatically. Bad
| shroom trip (example took way too much and end up in a never
| ending panic of "will this ever end?!") has no long term
| negative effects.
|
| I also feel instantly better, smarter, happier, etc for weeks
| after shrooms. Don't feel that all on LSD.
| ethanbond wrote:
| This is conjecture/personal experience/anecdotal, just to
| be clear for others who are evaluating these two
| substances. It's worth prefacing with, "My experience
| was..."
| smoldesu wrote:
| Had a truly terrible LSD trip a while ago, took a couple
| weeks to shake off and I never really felt "the same"
| afterwards. I'm not here to spread FUD, but goddamn is it a
| powerful chemical. Some people (myself included)
| underestimate the amount of mental rewiring it can do if
| you're not careful.
| throwaway_52828 wrote:
| I got PTSD from shrooms. It took 6 months before I felt
| mostly functional, and another year after that before I
| felt "normal."
|
| My impression is that all psychedelics have serious
| negative effects for the unluckiest users.
| metroholografix wrote:
| I don't like it when folks generalize from a few subjective
| experiences. Mushrooms and LSD are powerful catalysts and
| one can never be sure of what one will experience.
|
| Even McKenna had a bad trip on psilocybin that nearly broke
| him:
|
| "Terence's pivotal, existential crisis came abruptly, some
| time in '88 or '89. Everything that happened after that
| event was fallout. I don't know exactly when it happened,
| and I don't know exactly what happened; I am piecing it
| together from what Kat [his wife at the time] has told me,
| and she has volunteered few details, and I am reluctant to
| probe.
|
| It happened when they were living for a time on the big
| island, and it was a mushroom trip they shared that was
| absolutely terrifying for Terence. It was terrifying
| because, for some reason, the mushroom turned on him. The
| gentle, wise, humorous mushroom spirit that he had come to
| know and trust as an ally and teacher ripped back the
| facade to reveal an abyss of utter existential despair.
| Terence kept saying, so Kat told me, that it was "a lack of
| all meaning, a lack of all meaning." And this induced panic
| in Terence, and probably, I speculate, a feeling he was
| going mad. He couldn't deal with it. Kat's efforts to
| reassure him were fruitless. After that experience, he
| never again took mushrooms, and he took other psychedelics,
| such as DMT and ayahuasca, only on rare occasions and with
| great reluctance.
|
| Whatever the specific content of the psychedelic experience
| might have been that triggered the cognitive collapse of
| Terence's worldview and precipitated his existential
| crisis, what was most remarkable was that he did not see it
| coming. He did not see it coming."
|
| -- From Dennis McKenna, The Brotherhood of the Screaming
| Abyss: My Life with Terence McKenna, now excised
| api wrote:
| Mushrooms are a journey in a car with suspension and
| comfortable seating. LSD is the same journey in a car with no
| shocks, metal benches, and no seatbelt. Sometimes the trips
| are similar but if you hit a bumpy spot the results are quite
| different.
|
| In practice I have seen several people do a lot of LSD and
| kind of "not come back all the way." Don't recall seeing the
| same with other psychedelics.
|
| I would caution people against acid, and especially against
| using a lot of it or repeatedly. I think there's a reason it
| has that nickname. It seems to be harsh and unforgiving.
|
| There are positive reports from microdosing the stuff. I have
| no experience here. This wasn't a thing when I was in college
| and I have not been near anything like this for a long time.
| tpm wrote:
| For me it is the opposite, LSD is the safe one, shrooms
| being more difficult - I suspect this is caused by LSD
| additionaly being a dopamine receptor agonist, which is
| better for my brain (I also like hippie/candyflips for the
| same reason I suspect).
| gavinray wrote:
| Same experience. Have PTSD from this, was not inexperienced
| either.
| RikNieu wrote:
| What kind of immediate and long-term side effects did you
| have, if I may ask?
|
| And what happened during the experience?
| gavinray wrote:
| I've written in-depth about that particular experience
| before on here, if you're interested here are the post
| links:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22991744 (See chain
| of replies too)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22993060
|
| Short-term side effects were acute + severe panic
| attacks, triggered by flashbacks and feeling as though I
| was physically back in the same situation/it was starting
| to happen again.
|
| Even though entirely illogical and not being in the same
| place it happened, in my mind I felt dead certain that
| the events that had happened were starting to replay
| themselves and even physically I was reliving the
| sensations.
|
| This made me dysfunctional for a period of months, slowly
| over time the severity + frequency of this tapered off.
| It took about ~2 years for it to become what I'd call
| "mostly subsided".
|
| Even now though, if I am under a lot of stress or if I
| don't sleep well and am slightly sleep deprived, I will
| start to have flashbacks + panic attacks, but I know how
| to handle them better now and can force logic through a
| bit better.
|
| My vision is permanently altered, though it's minor. If
| you're not familiar with psychedelics, when you take a
| low dose of them, it makes everything have a sort of
| "oil-painting" type look to it, and textures are crisper.
|
| The bark on a tree is a good example of something that
| looks much more intense.
|
| The intensity of this has also subsided a fair amount,
| but even now I choose not to wear glasses most of the
| time because if I put on my glasses, everything is too
| "High definition" and visually intense. I prefer things
| to just be blurry, to be honest.
| mistermann wrote:
| I think it's a shame that science does not study rare
| phenomena like this when they arise, I think there is _a
| lot_ that could be learned from them.
|
| > and feeling as though I was physically back in the same
| situation/it was starting to happen again.
|
| > Even though entirely illogical and not being in the
| same place it happened, in my mind I felt dead certain
| that the events that had happened were starting to replay
| themselves and even physically I was reliving the
| sensations.
|
| I once took some psychedelics and forgot I had taken them
| (I was also drinking beer), and I had an experience quite
| similar to this, but at the time had completely forgotten
| that I was on psychedelics. I always leave myself a note
| nowadays.
| hosh wrote:
| I think everyone is going to have different experiences. I saw
| a wide variety experiences among people taking Ayahuasca, and
| my own experiences were each different.
|
| LSD wasn't uncomfortable for me, but I also knew at a deep
| level that it wasn't something I needed to explore further. By
| contrast, there were many times that Ayahuasca had been at
| times uncomfortable and disturbing for me ... but I also knew I
| needed it.
| RikNieu wrote:
| What do you mean by "needed it?" How did it affect your life
| afterwards?
| tokumei wrote:
| Exact opposite for me. LSD is nice, but the visuals can be
| overwhelming. The visuals on mushrooms, for me are more
| "organic" I guess, and the mental state more natural. I haven't
| done either in over a decade, but that's what I remember. I
| used to do a heroic dose of mushrooms once a week - the
| feelings of euphoria once you peek and the subtle visuals were
| amazing.
|
| It's also possible to go to sleep on mushrooms once you're at
| the end of your trip, as the trip is really a lot shorter. I
| remember lying awake in my bed on LSD with the room melting
| around me, wondering if it would ever end, just wishing that I
| could go to sleep.
|
| Edit: As far as being alone with your experience - I had a lot
| of friends that preferred LSD over mushrooms. It's really a
| personal preference as to which one suits you best.
| acchow wrote:
| There are so many varieties of psychedelic shrooms. Some
| don't have strong visuals, some can make you hallucinate far
| beyond the capabilities of LSD.
| betwixthewires wrote:
| If you're talking about different mushrooms with different
| compounds in them (like fly agaric) we are specifically
| talking about psilocybin mushrooms here.
|
| If you're talking about different species of psilocybin
| containing mushrooms like wood loving ones and what not,
| what are your experiences with them? I've only had cubensis
| mushrooms, but I assumed the primary difference between
| them would be potency considering they have the same active
| compounds.
| _proofs wrote:
| wood-loving generally oxidize fast and have a more
| psylocin heavy profile on consumption, so there's less
| come-up, and my anecdotal experience of eating large
| amounts of wood-eaters (blue footers, found around box
| elder trees/floodplanes in Bethany, WV area) -- the
| experience is like immediately intense and psychedelic
| with no playful buffer since the conversion is shortened
| -- and if you're not ready you will be properly fucking
| spun.
|
| other than that, i've had some insanely intense
| experiences with them, both pleasant and unpleasant. but
| i have not had much experience with other species.
|
| related to the thread however, my experiences with good L
| were way more pleasant, manageable, and desirable. but
| perhaps that's a result a more responsible, less reckless
| dosing (i had some experience by this time, dosing in
| clubs and stuff) -- when i was eating mushrooms (spring
| time, quite a few seasons not really outside of that
| window) simply eating whatever i am finding on a hike
| through the woods while having an afternoon coffee, while
| not really knowing any better, sometimes meant i ingested
| way more than necessary, shrug. YMMV.
| aeturnum wrote:
| Psychadelics famously impact people in vastly different ways.
| Anyone who hasn't tried them before will probably have the best
| time doing a standard dose (1 "tab" of lsd or ~1.5g of
| mushrooms) around friends with nothing else scheduled during
| the day.
|
| That said, many people have nonlinear responses to these
| substances. I know folks who hate lower doses of LSD because
| they just get an anxiety-generating body high, but love the
| experience above that. Generally, on a per-dose basis, LSD and
| mushrooms are inexpensive and so experimentation is cheap (even
| though it's also time consuming because of the ~8hr trip
| duration). Though, again, if you take lower doses (below the
| standard I mentioned above) most people will have no trouble
| doing chores if you must get something done (as long as that
| chore does *not* involve driving).
|
| Edit: mushrooms are hard to dose consistently, the dose I
| listed might be high or low but it will probably not melt your
| face off or do nothing. More info here:
| https://erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_basics.shtml
| [deleted]
| hidden_dude wrote:
| (Using a throwaway account for obvious reasons)
|
| I had a stroke a few months ago, resulting in some long-lasting
| effects in my visual field. I have read reports that mushrooms
| can help the brain develop new connections; and I'd like to see
| if they can help improve my vision. But I have no idea where to
| get shrooms, how much to dose, etc. Any tips?
| ryanianian wrote:
| Check the various reddits for places to start plus speak with
| an informed and non-judgmental healthcare person.
| mmmeff wrote:
| Look into growing them from uncle Ben's rice. Doesn't get
| easier. Spores can be legally bought online in most states and
| no special equipment is necessary.
|
| Just plan on doing a triple batch as without proper lab
| equipment, the chance of contamination is higher.
| hidden_dude wrote:
| Any place to buy them? I am not too far from Santa Cruz, CA
| and Oakland CA. I hear it's legal in Santa Cruz.
| rt_hidden_dude wrote:
| As said, grow your own. No need to deal with risky characters,
| you'll know exactly what you have, requires very little space,
| low risk as long as you can keep your lips zipped. It's about 6
| weeks from inoculation of spores to first harvest, and the
| total investment to get started can be about $100, most of that
| for one-time expenses. Spores are legal to buy in most (47)
| states, and can be ordered from the open internet. If you're in
| one of the 3 non-legal states, or a non-legal country, there
| are online spore print exchanges. After buying once, you can
| propagate from your own spore prints, or from clones.
|
| I would not rely on Reddit for your cultivation advice. Try
| shroomery.org, an old school web 1.0 forum that's been around
| since 1997. People who have participated there for years and
| are recognized as experts are marked with a "Trusted
| Cultivator" badge. Yes, it is actually possible to grow shrooms
| on Uncle Ben's precooked microwavable rice packets, but it is
| not a recommended practice due to high percent of batches lost
| to mold/bacterial contamination before the spores can
| germinate. It's just too wet of a substrate and doesn't have
| adequate airflow for oxygen that the mycelium needs to grow. I
| have tried it even though I usually use more advanced
| techniques, and lost 4 of 8 bags to contamination, even though
| I used above average sterile handling methods.
|
| The PF Tek method is considered a reliable method for beginners
| that minimizes the equipment you need to buy, and is recommend
| in the shroomery.org's "getting started" sticky thread:
| https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2442017...
| The thread also has links to spore vendors who have been vetted
| as reliable.
|
| There is a also a discussion forum on the site for those who
| choose to use shrooms medicinally, including microdosing,
| recommended micro/macro dosages and dosing practices, etc.
| hidden_dude wrote:
| > Spores are legal to buy in most (47) states
|
| Sadly, I live in California. For some stupid reason, Cali
| doesn't allow the sales of spores. And yet shrooms are legal
| in places like Oakland and Santa Cruz. W. T. F.?? What is
| wrong with the politicians?
|
| Thank you for the link to Shroomery; I had not heard of this
| site, but I will explore it in depth. I have a pressure
| cooker and a garage, all I need are simple to follow
| directions.
| rt_hidden_dude wrote:
| Go figure - but I wouldn't be surprised if that changes
| sooner rather than later. Attitudes toward natural
| psychedelics seem to be rapidly changing in both political
| parties.
|
| The Shroomery has a a spore exchange board, and plenty of
| people would be happy to send to CA, but you have to be
| registered for 30 days and make 50 posts to participate.
| They try to discourage drive-bys in favor of building the
| community.
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| temp0826 wrote:
| Arm chair neuropharmacologist here, thinking you should look
| into microdosing along with lion's mane mushrooms.
| hidden_dude wrote:
| That's what I have read. The problem is acquiring quality
| mushrooms.
| beervirus wrote:
| Ask your shadiest friend who his shadiest friend is.
| hidden_dude wrote:
| Problem with that is then I have no idea about the quality.
| betwixthewires wrote:
| This is absolutely terrible advice, you're likely to get
| chocolate bars with something else in them at best.
| threwaway7880 wrote:
| I've done LSD a few times, maybe a handful, and mild doses of
| shrooms maybe 3 times.
|
| On higher doses of LSD (> 1 tab), I tend to get a recurring fear
| and visual manifestation of bugs (spiders, specially). When I'm
| outside on a walk while tripping I tend to be hyper-conscious of
| bugs and the noises they're making. Any thoughts on why and how
| to deal with this? It tends to have a very negative effect on my
| trips but it doesn't always happen. Just stick to lower doses?
| jungturk wrote:
| A stock tactic for fears and anxieties during trips is to allow
| yourself to experience them, to accept them, and to allow them
| to pass.
|
| Another is to put yourself is a goofy/stimulating/amusing
| situation that distracts the mind from the negative loops it
| might be manifesting.
|
| But really, the "setting" part of "set and setting" might just
| mean staying away from bugsy walks and going somewhere cozy and
| comfortable instead.
|
| https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Set_and_setting
| criticaltinker wrote:
| I highly recommend taking a look through the Yale Manual for
| Psilocybin-assisted therapy [1], section 6.9 is particularly
| relevant to your inquiry. Some excerpts:
|
| _> We encourage you to take an attitude of curiosity and
| acceptance toward everything that happens during your session.
| Whatever comes up has some kind of meaning or wisdom that you
| can learn from, even if this meaning is not immediately
| obvious. _
|
| _> You may have bizarre sensations and experiences, and you may
| experience frightening images or thoughts. These may alternate
| rapidly. This is normal and does not mean anything is wrong._
|
| _> We encourage you to "go with" or surrender to difficult
| experiences rather than fight them. Approach rather than flee;
| accept rather than reason away, lean into whatever comes up,
| including any impulse to run away._
|
| _> There are methods for grounding and calming yourself, if
| you would like to use them._
|
| [1] https://psyarxiv.com/u6v9y/
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