[HN Gopher] Designed to Last
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Designed to Last
Author : smoyer
Score : 75 points
Date : 2021-12-23 14:11 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (jeffhuang.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (jeffhuang.com)
| arendtio wrote:
| > Designed to Last
|
| Well, I hope Jeff didn't put too much time into finding the color
| pallet. I don't want to be negative, but this background color
| just makes we want to run away/close the page.
|
| Maybe these links which I collected over the years can be
| helpful:
|
| - https://www.colorcombos.com
|
| - https://paletton.com
|
| - https://blog.datawrapper.de/beautifulcolors/
|
| - https://design.lyft.com/re-approaching-color-9e604ba22c88
| (ColorBox)
| chihuahua wrote:
| The orange color seems quite harmless, and the text is still
| black on white. Plus you can get the orange borders to go away
| by resizing the window. So I really don't see the problem.
| toomim wrote:
| Wow, that's funny. I really _enjoyed_ the colors he chose! It
| must be a matter of taste.
| lelandfe wrote:
| There's no fundamental problem with the color chosen, so those
| last two probably won't be of much use. Anyway, I have no
| problems with the background. Curious you had that visceral of
| a reaction
| ffe4b5 wrote:
| A browser extension to archive pages: https://github.com/gildas-
| lormeau/SingleFile
| panic wrote:
| One way to keep something alive for a long time is to make many
| copies of it in different places. What if every time a website
| linked to something static (like an article, puzzle, or
| tutorial), it saved a local copy and made a link to that copy
| available as well? More inbound links would mean more longevity
| instead of more fragility.
| canadianwriter wrote:
| I think about this often and it's very scary to me. I wrote a
| whole article on how I try to achieve longevity.
|
| https://kolemcrae.com/notebook/longevity.html
|
| I also switched my whole site to pure html and css, but it
| depends on Bootstrap, which maybe is something I should remove
| and only add the classes I use.
| jsmith99 wrote:
| So long as you use pre compiled bootstrap and host it yourself,
| I don't see how it's a longevity threat.
| threatofrain wrote:
| IMO this feels like a somewhat random brainstorm about how to
| keep an older vision of the web. For example, why focus on
| behind-the-scenes dev process? What % of indie sites die due to
| dev build process? Very hard to know and Jeff doesn't provide any
| edge on insight over this problem. Without knowing that, focusing
| on things like whether to use git (???) and whether you compress
| your site... seems confusing.
|
| > And how should your version control that file? Should you use
| git? Shove them in an 'old/' folder? Well I like the simple
| approach of naming old files with the date they are retired, like
| index.20191213.html.
|
| Anyways, this appears to be a pitch for a project:
|
| https://irchiver.com
| lazyjeff wrote:
| It's a fair critique. But I think the maintenance and
| dependencies for a website are the main reason a lot of them
| die off (basically, the owner giving up on it because the cost
| to keep it up is higher than the value it provides the owner).
| Intentionally killing a website seems rare to me otherwise.
|
| > whether you compress your site
|
| It's actually a comment against minimizing the html/css
| content, which makes it unreadable and adds an extra step in
| your toolchain (another point of failure).
|
| > Anyways, this appears to be a pitch for a project
|
| I did add that link recently as it's related, but I wrote this
| Designed to Last article 2 years before irchiver. See the
| previous discussion at
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21840140
| danuker wrote:
| The Irchiver project has great ideas ("seeing is keeping").
| Does anyone know a similar tool for Linux or a browser
| extension?
| lazyjeff wrote:
| irchiver author here. So I investigated for a long time
| whether a browser extension is possible for automatically
| screenshotting a page. It turns out it's not because of the
| limitations of browser extensions themselves, and from the
| way WebExtensions are going, it will never be.
|
| I've only found a way to do this on Windows right now (since
| Windows 8.1) due to an undocumented flag that lets you
| capture images from the browser even with hardware
| acceleration on (which is the default). Though I trust
| Microsoft to maintain backwards compatibility even for
| undocumented features indefinitely.
| chaostheory wrote:
| If you're worried about future dead links, you could just use the
| pinboard bookmarking service with the archive website plan...
| Veen wrote:
| Gwern has written about link archiving to combat link rot, but
| his system seems more complex than most people would want to
| bother with.
|
| https://www.gwern.net/Archiving-URLs
| skyfaller wrote:
| That seems like an understatement. If your link archiving
| system somehow relies on Bitcoin(?!) it may be too
| complicated.
| post-it wrote:
| They use Bitcoin to save hashes of the webpages in case
| they need to prove that they saved a page on a particular
| date (though I don't see how they could prove that the page
| they saved is the page that was actually online). That's a
| pretty sensible use of what are essentially NFTs.
| foodbag wrote:
| I like the sound of "Don't minimize that HTML". It'd be nice if
| the HTML of webpages was more transparent.
|
| > Well, you don't save much because your web pages should be
| gzipped before being sent over the network, so preemptively
| shrinking your content probably doesn't do much to save bandwidth
| if anything at all.
|
| Does anybody have empirical evidence on how much minify + gzip
| saves over just gzip?
| spurgu wrote:
| > Does anybody have empirical evidence on how much minify +
| gzip saves over just gzip?
|
| https://stackoverflow.com/questions/807119/gzip-versus-minif...
| datagram wrote:
| Decided to try it out using the source for this page as an
| example, with kangax's HTML minifier
| (https://kangax.github.io/html-minifier/)
|
| Uncompressed, Unminified: 16,979B Uncompressed, Minified:
| 16,316B Ccompressed, Unminified: 7676B Compressed, Minified:
| 7535B
|
| So minifying before compressing saves an extra 141 bytes, but
| the vast majority of the size savings are from Gzip
| sharps_xp wrote:
| i share the same mindset as i really miss traveling but the only
| way to explore places to go when i'm abroad is yelp, google maps,
| and my own excel sheet. all of which are very slow on
| international sim cards or in remote areas. i'm thinking about
| building my own yelp-like site which is just static content on a
| cdn, images would by default show the "alt" text with an option
| to download the image.
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