[HN Gopher] Street Fighter II, the World Warrier
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Street Fighter II, the World Warrier
Author : ingve
Score : 146 points
Date : 2021-12-23 12:29 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| dang wrote:
| Recent and related:
|
| _Street Fighter II paper trails - allocating sprite space by
| hand_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29657343 - Dec 2021
| (67 comments)
| endisneigh wrote:
| I love the art style of sprites.
|
| Is there any software to turn a picture into a sprite like image
| as shown in the article at varying resolutions?
|
| It would be cool to turn my room into a street fighter 2 like set
| of sprites.
| kingcharles wrote:
| lbriner wrote:
| I think they are called tile editors.
| crehn wrote:
| > Since the logo had already been created, I couldn't just go in
| and change the letter at this point.
|
| Why not?
| allenu wrote:
| > The GFX ROM and the 68000 instructions ROM as burned
| separately. The problem Akiman describe is that the GFX ROM had
| been burned but he could still make changes to the
| instructions.
|
| The sprite data was already burned to ROMs, but they could
| still change the code.
| u801e wrote:
| I didn't even notice the typo in the title until I started
| reading the article. I wonder how many would have noticed had it
| not been fixed?
| unwind wrote:
| Hand up, luckily I scanned the comments before posting a
| request to have it fixed. Great story!
| syspec wrote:
| Probably, not many... until word spread. Once you see it,
| that's all you see
| twodave wrote:
| I noticed it right away. I am naturally a very accurate
| speller, though. I think it has to do with the ability to more
| or less visualize words. My wife can't visualize them. She
| struggles with spelling and wouldn't have noticed the mistake
| in the article at all.
| pm215 wrote:
| I'm not sure visualization is necessary -- I can't visualize
| much at all, and definitely don't visualize words, but
| misspelt words are immediately obvious to me. They don't look
| right -- so maybe you need to have a memory of the way words
| look, but you don't need to be able to actively recall it (ie
| visualize them) ?
|
| I've always assumed that spelling ability was linked to
| reading a lot when young, but that's just my personal
| experience so there's probably research somewhere saying that
| theory's wrong :-)
|
| As an aside, it's a minor miracle that reading is possible at
| all (ie that we can do it fluidly and without conscious
| effort rather than as a laborious decoding and sounding out
| process). There's no inherent reason why the visual and
| language parts of the brain should be so capable of working
| together -- they never evolved to do it.)
| lbriner wrote:
| I would have probably assumed it was an American spelling (as a
| Brit). Certainly wouldn't have bothered me too much.
| JDazzle wrote:
| Literally a duplicate post that was created about 11 hours before
| this one.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29657343
| mmmmmbop wrote:
| This is a different article.
| [deleted]
| royjacobs wrote:
| This is another post in a series about SF2, it's not a
| duplicate.
| jonny_eh wrote:
| Has anyone made an ips patch to fix the gfx rom and have the code
| use it?
| [deleted]
| pupppet wrote:
| Not to sound like an old man, but kids today will never know the
| joy of walking up to the cabinet and going head-to-head (side-to-
| side?) vs another live player. There's something about the live
| experience that online play can't match. And yeah there's a few
| arcades still out there, but it's pretty niche.
| trasz wrote:
| Many console (home console, eg ps4) games have a split-screen
| mode.
| kingcharles wrote:
| I can't virtually punch my friend in the face when he kills
| me with a hundred-hand slap for the thirtieth time in one
| day.
| pupppet wrote:
| Not the same as walking up to a complete stranger and having
| it out.
| ArtWomb wrote:
| Effectively "marching squares" implemented in a single bitmap
| tile ;)
|
| https://graphics.stanford.edu/~mdfisher/MarchingCubes.html
| 300bps wrote:
| I coach a FIRST Robotics team and I love to tell the kids stories
| like this so they can get a feel for what engineering is like in
| the real world.
|
| Sometimes you just need to throw some duct tape on it.
| dicroce wrote:
| I've been a software engineer for 25 years and I think people
| overly romanticize this attitude and we should properly fix
| things more.
| karaterobot wrote:
| This is a situation where it was not possible to properly fix
| the problem due to constraints beyond the designer's control.
| Coming up with the best solution given a set of requirements
| and constraints is the definition of design, and is where
| design overlaps with engineering. Fixing the workflow problem
| that resulted in a potentially embarrassing mistake to go
| unspotted until 3 days before shipping would be an example of
| good management...
| toast0 wrote:
| Fixing things is always a question of improvement vs cost. If
| the graphics rom is already manufactured, there's a lot of
| cost to make new ones. Better to make changes to the program
| rom which hasn't been sent out yet and may likely be smaller
| and less expensive than the graphics rom anyway. Typically
| arcade machines may get one or two program updates but
| usually no graphics or audio updates.
| allenu wrote:
| That's funny. I've been in it for 20 years and I feel like we
| should be okay with hacks like this more. Isolated fixes like
| this usually don't cause any knock-on effects, get the job
| done, and usually don't change much. Of course, hacks in code
| that needs to be touched frequently or affects lots of other
| code is a different story.
| 0x445442 wrote:
| For anyone wanting to blog, take note of this one's style, layout
| and presentation. It's what the web was meant to be.
| nkrisc wrote:
| > It's what the web was meant to be.
|
| Difficult to read? You needn't sacrifice the desirable
| principles of the web for legibility.
| mrob wrote:
| I disagree. Full justification is less legible than left
| justification because it removes the positional cue of varied
| line lengths, and monospaced font for body text decreases
| information density for no good reason, which also hurts
| legibility by forcing unnecessary eye movement. I don't usually
| complain about typography because Firefox's Reader View can
| usually fix it, but here Reader View makes the diagrams
| unreadable. Instead, the font can be changed easily enough with
| the Web Developer Tools, but the text justification is more
| annoying because it's specified multiple times for different
| blocks of text.
| kingcharles wrote:
| I agree with you; there have been studies that showed both
| that left justified text and proportional typefaces are
| generally more legible.
|
| I wonder though - for long-time coders like a lot of the
| audience here - have we become inured to reading monospaced
| fonts, such that we read them easier and are therefore an
| anomaly in such studies?
|
| I know I cannot code at all with variable-width fonts, but is
| that because I'm old school and grew up coding in the Time
| Before when there were only monospaced fonts?
| danielnixon wrote:
| It's only a AAA (i.e. least critical) requirement, but
| justified text is an accessibility issue according to WCAG.
| https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/failures/F88.html
| arthur6667 wrote:
| Funny, I find this one of the more ledgible blogs i've seen
| recently :) Isn't it personal preference? Same with, dare I
| say it, line length. I have colleagues that insist 80
| characters is ideal, I think it is terrible and should be
| illegal.
|
| But more to the point, I am pretty sure it is in reference to
| not being bloated with crappy JS spyware, no moving photos
| when scrolling, no ads, no subcribe popups, no 'you only have
| free 2 articles left', no overriding the f'ing text selection
| so i cannot copy paste code... So not medium.com basically.
| 0x445442 wrote:
| Sure the font and justification could have been different,
| to each his own. But yeah, I was referring to the
| simplicity, the table layout, prudent use of color and the
| absence of JS.
|
| I find the web to be unusable without configuring a Pi-Hole
| to be my DNS server.
| ghostbrainalpha wrote:
| I think he is saying that the web was meant to be difficult
| to read.
|
| He is expressing nostalgia for a time when information
| gathering had exciting new possibilities because of the
| internet was new, but before we over optimized the soul out
| of everything.
|
| It's a slippery slope, because certainly the page could be
| more readable, and most people would want that, but then
| what's the next improvement? Sidebar links to similar blogs
| you might like?
| leglock wrote:
| Polygon did a series of articles about Street Fighter many years
| ago that has some more cool anecdotes from the programmers.
|
| https://www.polygon.com/a/street-fighter-2-oral-history
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