[HN Gopher] Tesla tells customers it will not honor retroactive ...
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Tesla tells customers it will not honor retroactive Full Self-
Driving pricing
Author : baskethead
Score : 51 points
Date : 2021-12-16 18:45 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| makerofspoons wrote:
| When are they going to rip the bandaid off that they aren't going
| to produce the Cybertruck?
| https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37979446/tesla-cybertruck...
| fxtentacle wrote:
| It's easy to prevent this kind of bad behavior by introducing a
| law to make it illegal. Reading those stories from the EU, I
| wonder why consumers in the US so rarely fight for their rights.
| Even the UK has its Consumer Rights Act [1] which explicitly
| forbids price increases for pre-orders.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Rights_Act_2015
| dominotw wrote:
| > consumers in the US so rarely fight for their rights
|
| we belive in markets weeding out the bad players. Laws are too
| inflexible and slow moving compared to markets.
| cinntaile wrote:
| And then at the same time the corporate lobbyists are
| donating money to politicians so that the markets will sort
| it out?
| renzo88 wrote:
| I understand that tesla is trendy, and open about "not having
| everything figured out", but I get the impression that this is a
| lot of tesla drivers' first luxury car.
|
| If BMW or Mercedes pulled the things Tesla does at the same
| cadence, their community would riot.
| fxtentacle wrote:
| That's the difference between selling to inexperienced hipsters
| vs. selling to established CEOs and their lawyers.
|
| Also, BMW is quite openly mocking Tesla's build quality by now,
| which in my impression worked well for their marketing in the
| EU.
|
| Oliver Zipse, BMW: "Tesla isn't quite part of the premium
| segment. They are growing very strongly via price reductions.
| We would not do that since you have got to last the distance.
| Where we differ is our standard on quality and reliability. We
| have different aspirations on customer satisfaction."
|
| https://insideevs.com/news/547029/bmw-ceo-tesla-not-premium/
| petree wrote:
| Sounds like great customer service from Tesla, the most valuable
| car company in the world... Hopefully people can at least recover
| their money easily.
| manuelabeledo wrote:
| And this is why you shouldn't pay for pre-releases.
| nashashmi wrote:
| Self driving should be pay as you go. Either on demand, daily,
| monthly or annually. Because the number of frequent updates is
| far too much and costly.
| ChildOfChaos wrote:
| Pay as you go sounds stupid.
|
| So you buy a car and then have to pay to use it?
|
| It should be a feature that comes with the car, one off
| payment, you shouldn't need to pay a subscription just because
| they didn't have it fully ready before you bought it.
| tartrate wrote:
| You can still use the car and drive it yourself. This would
| be paying monthly for the car to be able to drive itself.
| Just like you have to pay for "premium connectivity" in
| Teslas, i.e. internet access.
| throwaway946513 wrote:
| Just like the 'subscription' remote start for physical key
| fobs from Toyota. Similar to the 'heated seat' subscription
| from BMW - or the annual subscription for AppleCar play to
| work with your headunit. Porsche charges for 'dynamic
| lighting plus' and 'active lane keep assist' as a
| subscription. Cadillac charges monthly for 'super cruise',
| Tesla Autopilot clone.
|
| Yes, you can still use the car, and drive it yourself - but
| the problem is how anti-consumer and rent seeking the
| behaviors are of these companies. The problem isn't limited
| to Tesla.
| atoav wrote:
| So should your toaster, your dishwasher, your smart lock, your
| light switch, your insulin pump.
|
| Usually it was anarchists who proclaimed that ownership equals
| theft -- no we go to the other extreme, with corporate slowly
| trying to turn owners into renters. Instead of selling you
| something they try to become your landlord.
| ethanwillis wrote:
| And then the clock strikes and your car crashes.
| toss1 wrote:
| Self-driving (assuming it was really full Level-5 self driving)
| is about the ONLY feature that I'd want on-demand, or consider
| a legitimate use for such an ongoing payment scheme.
|
| * The car is still perfectly useful without it * It genuinely
| needs ongoing updates * There are good use cases for occasional
| use - I'd rarely use it, unless I was coming home very late &
| tired, or really needed to work and not drive.
|
| Other features, like Toyota's recent announcement [0] that they
| are going to charge $8/month for your key fob to remote start
| your car, or BMW's attempt [1] to charge for heated seats are
| merely extractive ploys.
|
| This move of everything to unnecessary connected and
| subscription models is just an outrage. Sure, some services
| genuinely need connection, but most can be engineered without
| it if there is a will to do so. Otherwise, do't do it - it's a
| trap!
|
| [0] https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/12/22831105/toyota-
| subscrip...
|
| [1] https://www.thedrive.com/news/34547/bmw-is-planning-to-
| sell-...
| Imnimo wrote:
| Just have a taxi-style meter that clicks up every second your
| hands aren't on the wheel.
| Mountain_Skies wrote:
| Sounds like some mid level manager looking for a way to boost
| their numbers without giving consideration to how this change
| impacts the public perception of the company or even any
| potential legal complications.
| haliskerbas wrote:
| Usually you file a ticket with legal / have a 30 minute
| conversation, get a sign off, and go along your merry way.
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