[HN Gopher] Sublime Clojure
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Sublime Clojure
Author : rcarmo
Score : 151 points
Date : 2021-12-14 08:07 UTC (14 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (tonsky.me)
(TXT) w3m dump (tonsky.me)
| recov wrote:
| Really cool plugin, although a bit sad to see how long it's
| taking to get approved - It makes sense to want to do a thorough
| review, although taking a month+ not something I like seeing in
| my favorite editor :(
| oxalorg wrote:
| These were some refreshing ideas to solve UX problems in the
| clojure REPL driven development flow (especially the REPL panel
| which I always keep hidden).
|
| I've been frustrated a bit with the general UX of using emacs,
| clojure, and REPL since a while now. I keep tweaking my emacs
| config to improve it one bit at a time, hopefully one day I'll be
| happy :)
| tut-urut-utut wrote:
| Which part of the Emacs Clojure workflow you find annoying, and
| what is your proposed fix?
|
| Asking because I still flow somewhere between Emacs/Cider and
| IntelliJ/Cursive.
| nightwolf wrote:
| Happy to see both my favorite editor and my favorite programming
| language hit the front page of Hacker News! FWIW, I responded to
| some of the points regarding Tutkain over at reddit[1].
|
| [1]
| https://www.reddit.com/r/Clojure/comments/rflhxf/comment/hoi...
| claytn wrote:
| Unrelated to the plugin: I love the dark mode on your site.
| nikivi wrote:
| The inline errors are life changing. If you use VSCode, ErrorLens
| package achieves same thing:
| https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=username...
| panick21_ wrote:
| This is real neat. However, I tend to use Cursive and REBL. I
| think that's some of the coolest development environment I ever
| used.
|
| People who have not heard of the REBL, can check out this video:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c52QhiXsmyI
|
| > REBL is a graphical, interactive tool for browsing Clojure
| data.
| jmchuster wrote:
| > It's been two weeks since I started using Sublime Clojure REPL
| myself. And you know what? I started to really enjoy Clojure
| exceptions! Short, concise, pointing directly to the error,
| formatted in Clojure naming convention, not in Java munged style
| which you need to decypher back to Clojure. It's a fantastic
| experience, even if on paper it doesn't sound as much.
|
| Aren't bad exceptions one of the top issues for new (and old)
| users? I think solving this is a much bigger deal than you're
| making it out to be.
| nop_slide wrote:
| I've never done any Lisp before, is Clojure a good starting
| candidate?
| dunefox wrote:
| Only if you know the JVM and a bit of Java, otherwise I would
| look at Scheme or Racket tbh.
| kitd wrote:
| Further to other replies, you can dabble with Clojure using
| Babashka [1], a Clojure runtime compiled to native code that
| allows you to execute scripts without a full JVM.
|
| It also has support for defining & running 'tasks', which makes
| it useful as a simple build system.
|
| [1] https://babashka.org/
| llovan wrote:
| I got my start in Clojure with ClojureScript. If you do front
| end web development it's a great way to jump in. I think I
| actually now prefer ClojureScript with the Reagent and Re-frame
| libraries more than standard React using js/TypeScript.
| Arcanum-XIII wrote:
| Yes, no.
|
| Yes because it's a very nice language, with lot of bells and
| whistles. Javascript and Java integration are nearly perfect,
| allowing you to have a access huge ecosystem. No because even
| though there's progress regarding the error reporting, it's not
| always simple to parse them. No because you'll have to
| understand way more Java than you may be willing to. No because
| it's not Lisp per se. It's nearly a different beast.
|
| Would I recommend it? YES. But know that "Here be dragons"
| gradys wrote:
| Definitely. It's got great learning resources like Clojure for
| the Brave and True, and it's very practical. There is good
| support for using it in server-side work, web apps, both
| frontend and backend, and now even lightweight scripting.
| gavinray wrote:
| This is stellar work from Tonsky as usual, nice to see the
| innovation here.
|
| Though I made the same point about inline real-time evaluation
| being better than a REPL recently, and my comment received no
| such fanfare =(
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29217815
| simongray wrote:
| It can be confusing.
|
| For instance, when people speak about "the REPL" in the Clojure
| community they are talking about a live application thats is
| integrated with the editor like 99% of the time, they don't
| mean a command-line prompt. All Lisps use REPLs for interactive
| development in this manner.
| ReleaseCandidat wrote:
| > get rid of the extra "REPL" panel for good. Why do you need it
| if you can see your results inline?
|
| But I do not want them inline. I want to use the REPL as a
| _interactive_ REPL, where I can write my code and later copy that
| to the file. That's actually one of the reasons I still use
| Emacs: Common Lisp with Sly and Clojurescript with Cider.
| dunefox wrote:
| Why do you write code in the REPL directly? Write it in a
| buffer and send it to the REPL.
| GGfpc wrote:
| Why do you want to code in the repl when you can code in the
| editor and eval in the repl?
| GGfpc wrote:
| This is really great. I'm not willing to move from IntelliJ but
| the exceptions and inline evaluation are something I would love
| to have in Cursive
| ledgerdev wrote:
| https://github.com/cursive-ide/cursive/issues/391#issuecomme...
| kbuchanan wrote:
| Inline evaluation is overwhelmingly what I miss from vim-
| fireplace when I moved to Cursive. Having said that, the code
| navigation tools are so much better.
| Lev1a wrote:
| Wow, that is certainly one way of making a website color scheme
| (and alienating potential readers). Either searing the reader's
| eyes with that gaudy yellow OR making the reader wave around
| their mouse as a "flashlight" instead of changing or even just
| switching the BG and FG colors.
|
| I suspect accessability didn't factor that much into the thought
| process behind designing that website.
| thom wrote:
| I think people have reacted to this comment as pure snark, but
| I did take a moment to look at your comment history and you're
| actually describing a physical reaction you're having, not just
| a matter of taste. I'd love to hear how general this problem is
| for you on the web, and how one might go around testing for
| these sorts of accessibility issues during development. I know
| of the various colour blindness 'simulation' tools available
| but other than the option of a dark mode (a proper one, not a
| gimmicky one like here) I wouldn't know how to address this
| issue.
| Lev1a wrote:
| > I'd love to hear how general this problem is for you on the
| web
|
| For me in general "thin dark fonts on bright BG" and "bright
| fonts on very dark BG" are both straining to the eyes
| although the former is worse almost every time. I find myself
| zooming in further and more often on websites with those
| sorts of color schemes although if I zoom too far in I then
| have to swivel my head back and forth for every line of text
| due to my glasses having "progressive lenses"[0] ie. a pretty
| narrow cone of vision with the right "power" to read at eye-
| screen distance.
|
| > testing for these sorts of accessibility issues during
| development
|
| - IMO a pretty good rule of thumb would be to not cover vast
| amounts of the website in bright colors
|
| - offer a dark mode, maybe even make it the default with an
| optional light-mode
|
| - respect the user's browser/system-colorscheme with the CSS
| property "color-scheme" [1] (although in Firefox the support
| for that feature is scheduled for the next version this
| coming January)
|
| [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_lens
|
| [1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/color-
| schem...
| fayten wrote:
| I really enjoy the color scheme of their site. As some work
| arounds though, the site works well with reader mode in Safari
| and Firefox. Also check out Dark Reader by Alexander Shutau for
| Firefox. That may help alleviate some eye pain.
| https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/darkreader/
| the_other wrote:
| I have poor eyesight and am fairly sensitive to contrast
| problems. I found this site very pleasant to read and have
| bookmarked it for later design "inspiration".
|
| Yellow on black tends to make the writing "shrink" for me,
| lowering the readability.
| mbrock wrote:
| Yep, I have sent this website to people before with excited
| messages like "this color scheme seems weird but I find it
| very soothing and helpful for reading and concentrating."
| Lev1a wrote:
| For me the light/bright colors are really straining my eyes
| since they're very sensitive to glare/bright lights as a
| consequence of cataracts.
|
| Also the switching of the FG and BG colors was just an
| example I could think of in the moment to get something like
| "dark mode" with minimal effort. In practice I'd probably go
| with a somewhat "off-white"(?) FG on a medium-dark grey BG.
| IMO a less bright white text color in this scenario does well
| in eliminating the "shrinking" you speak of while the
| contrast with the muted grey BG isn't too harsh.
| ithrow wrote:
| _REPL is Clojure's superpower._
|
| This is the only community were I keep seeing the word
| 'superpower' used repeatedly in most blog posts and forums.
| sedivy94 wrote:
| That website is STUNNING. WOW.
| rajandatta wrote:
| This is an exceptionally well thought out set of points on REPL
| use for a lang like Clojure. I'm playing with Scheme but the
| ideas here are great. Love the timing of each command if it takes
| longer than a threshold!
| shaftoe444 wrote:
| This looks great. I've been using Calva and VS code for Clojure
| and it works but lacks a bit of polish.
| Conlectus wrote:
| Looks nice! The inline REPL functionality reminds me a lot of the
| (defunct) Light Table[1].
|
| [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58-n7uldoU
| whalesalad wrote:
| Sublime is my favorite editor and I'm so glad to see that there
| is still enthusiasm in the community. Stoked to try this out!
| tophattom wrote:
| This looks really nice! I recently started learning Clojure and
| picked up Tutkain as my editor plugin. This, however, looks like
| it would better fit my workflow and I will definitely check it
| out later!
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