[HN Gopher] Ask HN: Are new ThinkPads still worthy?
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Ask HN: Are new ThinkPads still worthy?
if not alternatives 1) good for windows Linux and double boot (I
have acer and is really painful install linux)
Author : imachine1980_
Score : 42 points
Date : 2021-12-09 20:19 UTC (2 hours ago)
| CountSessine wrote:
| I just replaced a thinkpad x1 extreme gen 2 with a dell xps 17 (I
| wanted a 16:10 screen and shipping estimates for the x1 extreme
| gen 4 were ridiculous. Also, Lenovo of Canada are a bunch of
| dirty crooks).
|
| The thinkpad was pretty good, and wayland on fedora worked
| beautifully (I only used integrated graphics in linux, didn't
| even try to get the discrete gpu working). The one thing that
| really didn't work in linux was the fingerprint scanner - it
| would fail about 7/8 times I used it, which is really too bad
| because fedora has really nice fingerprint integration with sudo.
|
| Also, something seemed to be a bit funny about it's displayport
| implementation - when it was connected to my DP monitor and went
| to sleep, the monitor would wake it back up again almost
| instantly and it would get into this weird back-and-forth between
| sleep mode and waking. That happened in both linux and windows.
| This doesn't happen with my new xps.
|
| Otherwise it was pretty smooth sailing. It was a well-built
| computer with a nice keyboard. I might get another thinkpad at
| some point, but I'm loving this super-compact 17" 16:10 display
| on the xps.
| moonchrome wrote:
| I had a p15 at a job a few years ago. I was onboarding on this
| large .NET project that had like a day of environment setup just
| to get it running.
|
| After going through the grueling setup I couldn't get the damn
| thing to start and the errors were coming from some random
| windows service that I couldn't see referenced anywhere.
|
| Fortunately I was on onboarding with another person and they had
| the exact same problem, so it wasn't just something I was doing
| wrong.
|
| Two days worth of googling and fumbling around I figured out we
| were the first to get the updated model of the laptop everyone
| else was using and the dolby surround drivers that came with the
| new version were killing some windows messaging service used by
| some database feature.
|
| A hard pass on Lenovo stuff after that experience, drivers
| breaking core OS services is not something I'd call a
| professional device. Who the hell buys a P15 for Dolby Atmos
| support anyway ? It could have no speakers included and be
| equally good for the intended use case.
| keb_ wrote:
| I used to have an x201 which I loved to death. I upgraded to an
| x240 a couple years ago and I honestly find it mediocre; it has
| an awful trackpad, and it gets hot way too easily.
|
| I bought my dad an x220 for his birthday a couple years ago and I
| love that thing to death -- such a great laptop in look and feel
| (if you dig the retro aesthetic).
|
| I'm hoping to pick up an X1 Carbon or a Framework laptop one day,
| but I frankly have minimal use for laptops in general at the
| moment.
| 12ian34 wrote:
| I have an X1 Carbon (6th or 7th gen, I forget) and I love it.
| I've handled dozens of other laptops and tried out loads at shops
| and nothing else feels as good to me. It ticks so many boxes for
| me:
|
| - Dual boots Arch and Windows perfectly, never had issues.
|
| - Several years old but still faster than I need with the i7,
| NVMe SSD and 16 GB memory.
|
| - Soft plastic non metallic feel, doesn't get too hot or cold,
| fan only rarely comes on and it's way quieter than pre M1
| MacBooks
|
| - Feels like the lightest performance laptop I've ever used.
|
| - The PERFECT laptop keyboard. Love the travel, love the dim
| click, love the positioning of every key, love the dedicated
| home, end, page up, page down, delete keys. Love the physical
| left, middle and right click buttons and of course the nipple for
| comedy factor (however the trackpad obviously sucks relative to
| MacBooks).
|
| - Lid opens and closes easily.
|
| - Perfect connectivity options, two USB C (PD, Thunderbolt,
| ethernet), 2/3 USB A, HDMI, microSD, SD.
|
| - Matte screen.
|
| - Physical camera slider.
|
| I understand the latest X1 Carbons have most if not all of these
| features.
| scruple wrote:
| Same here. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of my 7th
| generation X1C. Perhaps more than any laptop I've previously
| owned. I've had no problems with it whatsoever. I've been
| running Ubuntu on it since the day it arrived.
| miniatureape wrote:
| I have a 7th generation as well. I had an issue with screen
| flicker, but I sent it back and the fixed it promptly (for
| free) and its been fine since.
|
| Otherwise, its been very good. I used this guide to set up the
| dual boot with
| https://www.mikekasberg.com/blog/2020/04/08/dual-boot-
| ubuntu..., with some small changes because that is a dell
| machine.
|
| I have the UHD display and the type is a bit small, but the
| scaling works well.
|
| The only thing that is a little flaky is the fingerprint
| reader. The battery, with Ubuntu, is not great, but fine for my
| uses.
| atsaloli wrote:
| I am still using my X1 Carbon 2nd generation. Q4OS for the
| operating system (https://q4os.org/) and DWM for window
| manager. Works great!
| gtirloni wrote:
| +1
|
| I have a X1 Carbon 5th gen and it's awesome. No issues at all
| running Fedora and Windows. I'll likely buy the newest version
| next year to replace it.
| handrous wrote:
| > Perfect connectivity options, two USB C (PD, Thunderbolt,
| ethernet), 2/3 USB A, HDMI, microSD, SD.
|
| I miss USB-A ports on MacBooks. Every indication is I'll still
| miss them in 2025. Perhaps by 2030 it will seem like an OK
| choice.
|
| I don't miss dedicated Thunderbolt ports, whatever those were
| called. Like they had on 2015 and earlier MacBooks. Replacing
| those with thunderbolt-capable USB-C ports is absolutely an
| improvement, and the right call for Thinkpads, too.
| dahfizz wrote:
| I also have a 7th gen X1 Carbon, and love it. The keyboard is
| excellent and the 14" 1440p screen is my ideal setup.
| blakesterz wrote:
| I'll just second everything said here. I have the same setup,
| mine is 2 years old, I think it's gen 7 maybe 8. I can't add
| anything else said here. It's solid.
| soco wrote:
| T495 of last year here, an AMD with all(?) extras, love it.
| trylfthsk wrote:
| My P15 supports ECC, has great graphics, ok cooling, and in a
| pinch is heavy enough to be used in self-defense.
| pvarangot wrote:
| The cooling on the P51 is what sold it to me. I have a maxed
| out one with the quadro and everything, it's my photo editing
| and now DAW laptop. It's really nice to be able to work on it
| for an hour or more and know that I'm not going to loose 50% or
| my computing power while working on Ableton and have to stop
| until it cools down because I have too many plugins running.
|
| Got it a year ago for 2500 and I'm a bit on the fence about
| having gotten it, it's a great computer but the new M1 Mac
| would smoke it and I prefer MacOS to Windows.
| smoldesu wrote:
| It's weird. I own two Thinkpads, a "golden era" model with the
| 7-row keyboard (x201) as well as a newer Skylake model (T460s).
| The difference between the two is noticeable, but not as much as
| people make it out to be. The older model feels like a really
| solidly built device, and the performance is surprisingly good
| while running Linux. It idles on the hot side (little less than
| 40c no matter what you're running), but CPU usage is low even on
| high-bloat desktop environments like KDE. Without anything
| running in the background, CPU usage stays below 2%, which kinda
| blows my mind for a machine pushing a decade old. The newer model
| I have is much the same way, but it's thinner and idles at a much
| more reasonable temp (28-30c). Frankly, I think they're both
| fine. The new keyboards aren't mind-blowing, but I'd still put
| them leagues beyond Dell and Apple's offerings these days. I'd
| frankly recommend either of them, as long as you can find one
| without a TN panel. The other advice I'd give is to not buy
| directly from Lenovo, since their prices are all over the place
| and tend to screw you over if you don't do your due diligence.
| RankingMember wrote:
| Curious for your thoughts: Where would you recommend buying
| from, a retailer like Best Buy?
| gkop wrote:
| Lenovo.com will let you customize the machine, and often
| offers nice discount codes on the order of 10-15% off list.
| elabajaba wrote:
| More like 40-60% off. Their base prices are insane for
| Thinkpads.
| smoldesu wrote:
| Yep, Best Buy and Amazon are both solid first-party
| retailers. I don't really buy Thinkpads new-in-box anymore,
| but from what I've seen, Lenovo's pricing is insanely
| inconsistent.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| I would recommend Best Buy over Amazon since Amazon
| commingles inventory.
| shmerl wrote:
| lenovo.com allows you customizing your builds. Other stores -
| not really.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| _> high-bloat desktop environments like KDE_
|
| Which KDE is that and how exactly is it "high bloat"?
|
| Definitely not Plasma. Modern KDE is very resource efficient,
| even giving XFCE a run for its money.
| smoldesu wrote:
| I mean, I use KDE Plasma on many of my devices. I'm pretty
| familiar with it's resource footprint, and while it's
| certainly better than it used to be, it's still on the high-
| end of resource usage when compared with it's contemporaries.
| It's gotten much better at memory management, but there's a
| considerable amount of latency and cruft surrounding the
| menus and dialogues the system uses. On every system I've
| ever used, krunner takes ~600ms to boot launch, menus have a
| good 200ms of lead-time and activity switching can be 1500ms+
| on the right configuration. XFCE still feels faster to me,
| but maybe it's a hardware thing.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| How did you measure all these latencies? Anecdotally , KDE
| on my OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is pretty fast on both new Ryzen
| and very old Intel laptops. Maybe something is wrong/buggy
| on your setup.
| WhatIsDukkha wrote:
| Eh? You have something wrong. 4-5 desktops/laptops with
| wide variety of profiles and I don't see any of that
| latency.
|
| Turn off animations.
| rvense wrote:
| I have a T490s from last year for work.
|
| I just had the keyboard (well, entire top assembly) replaced
| today via the on-site warranty because the touchpad was ghosting
| and the physical buttons had stopped working, i.e. it was
| basically impossible to use without an external keyboard. This
| also meant that the left shift key no longer comes loose all the
| time, which it started doing soon after I got it. It also has a
| couple of dead pixels, though I don't care too much about those.
|
| Battery life at this point is less than one hour, after which it
| cuts out with no working. That might be a Linux issue, but the
| battery reports its charge state at ~25% when it cuts out. I had
| hoped they would replace it as well, but my work didn't get the
| extended warranty for the battery, which is a separate thing.
| That means that the warranty is only one year, and as such Lenovo
| want 300 EUR or so to do the replacement, and that's if I send it
| to them (onsite I imagine it'll be even more expensive).
|
| All in all, I'm not very happy with the machine. Overall feel is
| OK (not fantastic), but the random shut-downs and keyboard
| wonkiness are extremely off-putting, as is the development in the
| battery life - it barely works as a laptop anymore.
|
| My personal laptop is an almost antique X200, I've gone through a
| couple since 2008, but they always feel dependable in a way that
| this just doesn't, and I can't see myself getting a new Lenovo
| now based on this experience. In my personal life I don't need
| the extra speed at all, and I wish Lenovo would just keep making
| spares (and new batteries) for the X200 so I could use that for
| the rest of my life.
| fmo1973 wrote:
| I'm writing this from a P14s Gen1 (AMD) and it works great on
| Fedora 35 and that includes the fingerprint reader. It obviously
| works great on Windows but I don't use that.
| jcastro wrote:
| P14s Gen1 (AMD) here too, love this thing!
| neverminder wrote:
| Dell Precision 7xxx series. Unlike Lenovo, Dell officially
| supports linux on their laptops and actually ship them with it
| preinstalled. Also unlike chinese owned Lenovo, Dell doesn't have
| a track record of installing spyware.
| dunco wrote:
| They are worse than they used to be, but the bar is so low in the
| market that they are still among the best. My gripes are entirely
| with reliability.
|
| I have had many issues with mine (Carbon X1 G6, then G7), all due
| to bad firmware, which lenovo swapped out the mainboard 5 times
| trying to fix. They also keep making the keyboard shittier on the
| X1, but then don't let you choose a good display on a larger
| model (at least in Aus when I was looking, but I know there is
| some variability in what is available where and when)
|
| Have a look at frame.work laptops to see if that might suit you.
| I have never used them, but they look great. The major
| manufacturers seem to be on a treadmill, pumping out half-
| finished unreliable garbage to keep up with industry trends.
|
| From the limited surveys etc I could find online, all windows
| laptops have roughly twice the failure rate of macs. As best I
| could determine, It seems you have about 1 in 5 chance of major
| failure from lenovo/dell etc. and about 1/10 chance from apple
| (from memory, could be 1/10 vs 1/20). Major failure being
| something that requires the device to be serviced or sent back,
| not necessarily a show stopping issue.
|
| Get on-site servicing when its offered because it doesn't cost
| much and there is a good chance you will need to use it.
| Loic wrote:
| I have a T480 as my daily driver, my kids are using my old X220
| and I still have an X60s around to experiment. I really like all
| of them.
|
| Interestingly, my son, 14, told me, even after using desktops at
| school, the Mac we have at home and probably some other computers
| with friends, that the best keyboard is from the X220. I am never
| talking about the quality of the keyboards, this was the first
| time we discussed about it as he just told me that out of the
| blue.
| herodoturtle wrote:
| Your son has good taste in keyboards.
|
| At risk of sounding overly subjective, I've got an external
| Thinkpad USB keyboard with Trackpoint - the 2012 SK-8855 model
| - which is basically the X220 keyboard.
|
| It is hands down the best keyboard experience I've ever had
| (and I've owned plenty, including mechanical boards, most
| recently the Logitech G915 TKL).
|
| Sadly my backspace key is misfiring and it's beginning to show
| its age. Which really saddens me. I wish I bought several of
| these when they were still available. Now even second hand
| models are difficult to come by.
| marto1 wrote:
| Thinkpads are generally better than Acer. That said:
| 1. Modular build is non existent. With new thinkpads you can't
| even remove the battery. That sucks. 2. Cooling. A lot
| of their new models seem to have been modeled to be as thin as
| possible and then some, so there's no space for cooling. CPU/GPU
| throttling was unheard of from that brand for a long time and is
| no longer the case. 3. Warranty. Depending on where
| you are in the world you'll get very different attitude towards
| respecting warranty. As some have pointed out it can get pretty
| bad. 4. Linux support is mostly ok except for
| NVidia/primus/optirun shenanigans.
| melony wrote:
| The current generation of ThinkPads are fairly easy to open up
| to replace ram and battery but the outer shell is much flimsier
| than Mac's. There is an over reliance on the 'roll cage' for
| structural integrity and the area near the trackpad is easily
| deformed and warped by a spudger.
| johnmaguire wrote:
| It depends. I'm a Linux user and my recent experiences are with
| two devices:
|
| 1. T470p - Out of the box it had a couple dead pixels, and the
| right click physical button to match the red nub had a hair
| trigger - I ended up disabling the nub entirely in BIOS so that I
| could type without triggering it. I also regularly (daily?)
| suffered video driver crashes. I don't know if it was faulty
| hardware or something with the i915 driver, but I think the
| former since my new device doesn't have this issue and others
| with the T470p didn't experience it. The battery life wasn't
| great either, which was surprising since it was one of the
| chunky-battery models. I hated this machine.
|
| 2. X1 Carbon (9th gen) - Works almost perfectly with very little
| fiddling. I do occasionally still have some brief issues with the
| Intel graphics causing freezes (both in Firefox and Zoom), but
| nothing like the crashes I saw before and everything just works.
| Plus it supports a USB-C dock that allows me to drive two
| monitors, connect my mouse and keyboard, and charge the laptop
| all with a single cable. Thin, light, with great battery life
| too.
| thetwentyone wrote:
| I had a terrible experience with Lenovo. In October 2020 I
| ordered a laptop. In the next couple of months I called and tried
| to cancel (they would put in a "cancellation request").
| Additionally, they sent an email saying the regulation required
| that since it hadn't shipped, if it still hadn't shipped in 5
| days they would have to cancel the order. A few weeks later, it
| shipped and I had UPS "return to sender" before it even arrived
| at my apartment. It was returned to the address Lenovo put as the
| return address.
|
| Paypal refunded me the money after reviewing the case, but I'm
| now fighting a debt collector for the ~1k USD.
| staticautomatic wrote:
| I have a brand new X1 extreme through work. The on-board sounds
| crackles and the on-board mic was broken for MONTHS awaiting a
| software fix from Lenovo that only corrected the mic issue. That
| is to say...no.
| arrosenberg wrote:
| I had the same experience with the onboard speakers.
| blindfolded_go wrote:
| I have a T495. Works great for me, very solid laptop for running
| Linux.
| shmerl wrote:
| Zen 3 APU based ones are really good like T14 Gen 2 AMD. I wish
| though AMD would have started using RDNA 2 there instead of Vega
| GPUs. So for example no AV1 hardware decoder yet. For that we'd
| need to wait until Zen 4 APUs probably.
|
| For Linux, make sure to replace the Mediatek WiFi horror with an
| Intel WiFi card.
|
| And also get the correct one, since Lenovo has some fishy
| blacklists for WiFi cards. You can search for non blacklisted
| part codes here (narrow it down by your laptop model):
|
| https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netb...
|
| Other recent gotcha I had, if you are replacing the NVMe SSD too
| to something better than the stock one, make sure to buy a 0.5 mm
| thermal pad for it.
|
| Another thing, in the UEFI change the suspend setting from
| Windows to Linux.
| ratiolat wrote:
| Whats the problem with Mediateks? Thinking about getting bunch
| of P41s amd gen 1's for work but intel wifi is not available
| because chip shortag so it's either realtek or mediatek.
| shmerl wrote:
| Lagging upstream support. Something is coming in 5.16 from
| what I've heard. Intel on the other hand support their WiFi
| in a timely fashion and their drivers are pretty solid. I
| simply made myself a rule to only use Intel WiFi becasue of
| so many problems with other drivers in the past even if the
| do exist. Save yourself the trouble and frustration.
|
| _> Intel wifi is not available because chip shortag so it 's
| either realtek or mediatek._
|
| They are not that hard to buy as a separate part. I bought
| one recently to replace this Mediatek chip.
| elabajaba wrote:
| T14 gen2 is now shipping with a realtek wifi card that won't
| have mainline linux support until the next kernel (5.16) ships.
|
| The main problem with the T14 is that the screens are either
| bad or horrifically bad, and you don't know what one you get
| until it arrives. The 400nit low power screens are more like a
| 30hz panel for the best one (~30ms grey to grey (g2g), and PWM
| so it causes headaches and eyestrain), or ~14hz for the worst
| one (74ms g2g! It's feels as slow as an eink screen.)
|
| https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-s-Panel-Lottery-continu...
| shmerl wrote:
| I got one with a Mediatek card and replaced it with Intel
| one. It works fine after that.
|
| I also replaced the SSD with 1 TB SK Hynix Gold P31.
|
| I think my screen is 400 nit but I haven't really noticed
| major issues with it. I didn't do a lot of testing though.
| elabajaba wrote:
| Well response time wise they're worse than the new
| Macbooks, and those are pretty terrible:
| https://twitter.com/andreif7/status/1452622025550438403
|
| They're not actually using the Innolux display this year
| sadly, only the AUO and BOE panels (which both have awful
| ghosting). Once you know what to look for (or feel, since
| bad ghosting gives me headaches and eyestrain :/), it
| becomes obvious.
| shmerl wrote:
| Is the higher res panel better for them?
| boomskats wrote:
| I firmly believe Thinkpads are the best mainstream Linux laptops
| you can buy.
|
| I have a 2nd gen P1 with a 4k OLED screen, 9400H, dual nvme SSDs
| and 64gb of decent RAM. It is the best laptop I've ever owned.
|
| Dual booting Fedora ever since I've owned it, with 95% Fedora /
| 5% Windows split. Never a hiccup, perfect thermals, extremely
| servicable, tough as hell, best keyboard ever.
| kesslern wrote:
| I've been using two Thinkpad Extreme X1's for awhile now. I have
| a first-gen I use for personal programming projects and gaming
| and a second gen one that I use for work.
|
| In my opinion, they're wonderful. I dual boot both of them. The
| process was simply shrinking the Windows partition using the
| built in Windows utility and then installing Linux into the free
| space. I don't have any issues with the system sleeping or not
| waking up. I haven't really messed with hibernation though since
| I haven't been very mobile the past two years or so.
|
| The hybrid graphics work fine too, with one caveat. External
| displays require Nvidia mode, and mode switching can only be done
| with an X11 server restart. Hybrid mode has much better battery
| life but doesn't support external displays. My work laptop is
| generally plugged into 3 external displays so I keep it in Nvidia
| mode.
|
| I haven't tried Wayland, so I have no idea how well it works vs
| X11.
| rozab wrote:
| It hasn't been mentioned yet how Lenovo preinstalled malware on
| their machines in 2014-15. There isn't really anything that can
| redeem that sort of behaviour in my eyes. Also they've used
| Uyghur forced labour.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish#Lenovo_security_inci...
|
| https://theintercept.com/2020/08/21/school-laptops-lenovo-ch...
| randomluck040 wrote:
| Shouldn't have read the article, it's gut wrenching. How can
| people be like that, without any empathy and emotional
| attachment? I understand that there are more brands involved,
| what I don't understand is how no one really talks about the
| situation. It's ugly.
| boomskats wrote:
| FWIW, and this is a Thinkpad-specific Ask HN - the malware was
| never preinstalled to Thinkpads, only their budget/consumer
| line of laptops.
| alphabet9000 wrote:
| note that on many of the new thinkpads, the exhaust vent is on
| the _right_ side. if you are right handed and use a mouse, it
| will blow hot air directly onto your hand.
| xoac wrote:
| I'd get the framework laptop.
| teekert wrote:
| I have an x13 gen 2, it's just ok. 2 annoyances, I find the led
| next to the power button too bright and ctrl and fn are swapped
| and I hate it, I swapped them back in bios but now the labels are
| wrong.
|
| It runs Ubuntu fine and feels sturdy. Keyboard feels good, but I
| don't like those two touchpad buttons integrated into the pad, it
| feels cheap to bend the pad itself.
| brink wrote:
| I've had a Lenovo x1 carbon (latest gen) earlier this year for
| work - hardware compatibility for linux is good, didn't really
| like the typing experience and the touchpad is imo awful.
|
| For my personal laptop, I have Arch (Manjaro) on a 13" xps 9130,
| and wouldn't trade it for anything. Screen is beautiful, keyboard
| is the best I've ever used (including new m1 macbooks), touchpad
| is fantastic - It's the perfect little laptop, imo.
| razemio wrote:
| I have a new t14 at work. I use a Dell xps 15 at home. Would
| always go for the Dell. The t14 is incredible ugly (guess all
| thinkpads are), wastes a lot of space with those mouse clickers,
| is bulky and also heavy compared to the Dell. Sound / Display
| aren't even comparable. Build quality is close but that's it.
|
| Both run arch like a champ.
| abridgett wrote:
| A friend was looking and in the end decided not to buy a Thinkpad
| as both his current Thinkpads mis-order keys when typed quickly
| and it seems unlikely that it's fixed. (And to be honest, they
| don't deserve the money with such a bad bug).
|
| See
| https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/ekin47/the_x1_ext...
| for the details.
| sakebomb wrote:
| I use a X1 Carbon Gen 9 for my daily driver after switching from
| Gen 6. I still love both. I have been using Arch primarily which
| has a great wiki for installing in case you were leaning that
| way. Ubuntu is also spot on for all drivers.
|
| I only had an issue with the battery in the Gen 6 early on, which
| was fixed within two days by replacing it (under warranty). I
| have not had any issues with my Gen 9 (though it is only 5 months
| old).
|
| Firmware is incredibly easy to update on it under linux.
|
| I also from time to time swap out the M.2 SSD with windows when I
| need it. The screws are super simple and you won't lose them.
|
| I have used a XPS 13 in the past, though it is an okay
| alternative, I will say, the keyboard is super compact and
| inconvenient. The battery is iffy (one friend's exploded on him),
| mine just did not last long. The form factor was nice, but it did
| not feel nearly as nice as the X1 Carbon.
| invernomut0 wrote:
| I have a T14s with AMD Ryzen 7 and everything works on linux
| apart the fingerprint reader.
|
| Battery life is very good and you have great linux support
| (including battery charge customization and other options with
| TLP) It's light, you have a good choice of ports (USB A, VGA, USB
| C) I think it's still a safe choice especially in the AMD variant
| wrt the other linux laptops.
| the_only_law wrote:
| I got a new P14sand it managed to die within the year, after a
| ton of power management issues where it just would not shut down
| or wake up.
|
| As far as I can tell the board is completely dead. Hours of
| fiddling with the power button and trying anything I found
| online, but it doesn't turn on anymore.
| plmpsu wrote:
| I use a first gen T14 running Manjaro. Highly recommended.
| danieldevries wrote:
| Second hand t480s running Manjaro. No issues with dual boot.
| Great laptop!
| patrickbolle wrote:
| While not directly in the Thinkpad name, I have an older X1
| Carbon (4th Gen) that has worked really well for me. Extensive
| travelling, multiple drops, etc. Thing still is solid. Runs
| Debian really well.
|
| I have only ever owned Thinkpads (until the carbon) and I don't
| see any reason I would personally switch back to Thinkpad
| version. Carbons are so small and perfect for my usage.
| zokier wrote:
| X1 series has always been branded as Thinkpads, e.g.
| https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-NWK3...
| shams93 wrote:
| I use a thinkpad chromebook using chromeos but because this is
| the high end thinkpad chromebook I run android studio and other
| linux desktop apps. It has a beautiful keyboard and amazing build
| quality. But I use linux apps on chrome rather than a desktop
| linux distro.
| int0x2e wrote:
| I've used Lenovo laptops almost exclusively for the past 5 years
| (coming from a Dell XPS 13). I've had a X1 Carbon, an X1 Yoga, a
| couple of T4xx, and now a P1 Gen3. All of my lenovos were
| awesome. None of them had real issue. I love how they're built
| and their small design decisions.
|
| You do have to keep in mind that small devices with great battery
| lives usually don't have as powerful of a CPU or can't sustain it
| for long without sounding like a small jet engine, but that's
| more a question of adjusting ones expectations to what's
| realistic within a category. This was largely the reason I
| switched from an ultrabook-y lenovo (X1 Carbon and the Yoga) to a
| slightly heavier device (P1) when my laptop became my main dev
| machine during COVID (before that, my laptop was used for
| hardcore dev work occasionally, but my desktop at the office was
| my main machine for heavy lifting...)
| beached_whale wrote:
| At least with the thinkpad/legion line they have been repairable
| and upgradable and perform well. I am using a legion 5 for my
| linux notebook and it works great in windows and ubuntu.
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