[HN Gopher] Former Tesla employees say 2016 'Full Self-Driving' ...
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Former Tesla employees say 2016 'Full Self-Driving' video was
staged
Author : incomplete
Score : 42 points
Date : 2021-12-07 20:10 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| maxharris wrote:
| I recommend reading Alberto Savoia's book, "The Right It: Why So
| Many Ideas Fail and How to Make Sure Yours Succeed"
|
| One of the examples that Savoia provides in his book is
| especially helpful to recall here:
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| Back in the 1960s, IBM was trying to figure out if they should
| make a massive investment in building a speech recognition
| product. Rather than betting the company on an expensive idea
| without being certain of the market for it, they simulated the
| speech recognizer by putting a secretary in another room with a
| mic, leaving the test subject with the impression that their
| commands were going directly into the computer in the room.
|
| By doing this, IBM figured out that even if they made a perfect
| speech recognizer, their customers wouldn't use it! They were
| concerned about privacy, found typing to be faster and more
| precise, etc. Rather than investing huge sums of cash on a dud,
| they were able to put it towards the System 360 line, which
| turned out rather well :)
| empressplay wrote:
| Right, this is really what's meant by the phrase "fake it until
| you make it" -- not that you should make claims that aren't
| true (even though they may be someday) but that you should
| simulate automating processes in a similar fashion to your
| anecdote before actually spending the time and money to
| automate them, even though up front you're likely to lose money
| on having humans do what you eventually want computers (or
| robots, in the case of Amazon warehouses) to do.
| pedalpete wrote:
| Is "staged" the right description here? I was worried we were
| looking at a Nikola type event, but that's not what this is.
|
| Just because the route was mapped with lidar, etc. doesn't make
| this a non-self-driving car. It drove itself under the supplied
| conditions. It wasn't like they had plotted the route with the
| stops and starts, etc. From what I understand the system just had
| prior knowledge of the route. This is in comparison to any other
| self-driving which MUST have prior understanding of the route, vs
| Tesla's current product which apparently can make all decisions
| on the fly.
| gadnuk wrote:
| Here is a good timeline (complete with Elon's tweets) for Tesla's
| self driving capabilities.
|
| He has been lying about it for 5 years now and has been stringing
| on Tesla customers with statements like, "It's almost there!" and
| "Next version will blow your mind!" etc
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/n6nsmt/elo...
|
| It's stunning how he has gotten away with lies for so long.
| protoax wrote:
| Agreed, imagine paying thousands of dollars for a software
| product that is never delivered and continues to be pushed
| forward to the next year for five years running - it's
| unbelievable a solid case hasn't been brought against the
| company. Only a performer like Musk with such an influence on
| his fans could pull something like that off.
| a9h74j wrote:
| Not a lawyer, but don't "excusable" errors done for profit
| enter the legal category of fraud?
| k12sosse wrote:
| Personally, I love being in command and control of 1000+ pounds
| of steel and liquid, seemingly propelled based on the angle of
| my foot. I wouldn't have it any other way!
|
| I think autonomous travel would be a great experiment for
| locomotives on isolated tracks.
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| > The Drive could not reach out to Tesla to verify or contest the
| claims, as the automaker dissolved its communications and public
| relations department some time ago. The New York Times says that
| neither Musk nor a top Tesla lawyer responded to requests for
| comments over several weeks.
|
| I always thought it funny that Musk saw this as some sort of 4D
| chess move and not a tacit admission that his company's
| products/behavior suck so much, he had to effectively nail a "No
| comment" placard on the front door.
|
| You know what would be awesome? Say negative PR about Tesla comes
| up, and someone from Tesla calls/emails/tweets a reporter to
| provide a statement...the reporter ignores them, or tells them to
| go pound sand, because given Tesla does not have a communications
| or public relations department, someone from Tesla couldn't
| possibly be contacting them in an official capacity to provide an
| authorized statement.
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