[HN Gopher] Frame Control
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Frame Control
Author : mxstbr
Score : 27 points
Date : 2021-11-28 10:33 UTC (4 days ago)
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| rglover wrote:
| Have an NPD dad and this rings a lot of bells. In addition to
| what's written here, it's helpful to study that disorder to
| better navigate the idea of frame control (NPDs carefully tailor
| reality in this way). A good starting point is Dr. Les Carter on
| YouTube if you're unfamiliar with the disorder.
| pedalpete wrote:
| Yeah, I felt exactly the same way. The intro made me go "oh
| wow, there are other people with that experience too". I kept
| reading, but decided I needed to stop and come back to it later
| when I'm in a different frame of mind. This could spin me out
| for the day.
| lux wrote:
| This feels like a good description of narcissistic behaviour, at
| least from my personal experience. Not sure if there's an
| existing term in psychology for it since it's not quite
| gaslighting, but I do like frame control as a term.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| any term would be better than "gaslighting" for people who have
| not seen the movie it alludes to, perhaps.
| lux wrote:
| True that.
| yveezy wrote:
| Science: Sun rises in the east A: Sun rises in the west B: Here
| is some evidence that sun rises in the east (recommendation) (or)
| You're insane for not believing in that (pressure?)
|
| Is B trying to use components of frame control to take over A's
| reality?
|
| IMO the article feels very convoluted
| bidivia wrote:
| I believe the article is an example of overthinking.
|
| If you think so much about an issue without the right data you
| will get wrong conclusions. In other words, garbage in, garbage
| out, no matter how smart(how good your processing unit is) you
| are. This woman looks intellectually smart, emotionally dumb and
| immature.
|
| This woman had a pathological relationship and generalizes over
| it. She is projecting that relationship over everyone, and that
| is a serious mistake.
|
| In spite of being an adult woman she has a "victim mentality" and
| a tendency to create a "self fulfilling prophecy" because healthy
| people will avoid her like the plague.
|
| People that had a healthy relationship with their parents or
| people in general does not want or need to deal with people that
| consider every one else an abuser, just because they were abused
| by someone.
|
| If your father rapes you your mind will associate all men as
| rapists because he is the most important man in your life. But
| that is wrong.
|
| If your parents are enemies inside marriage with a terrible
| relationship you will generalize all marriages as bad because it
| it the marriage that you know better. But that is wrong.
|
| The way to deal with long lasting traumas is working on it
| emotionally, not rationally and usually over a long time too
| until you can make progress.
| yorwba wrote:
| > This woman had a pathological relationship and generalizes
| over it. She is projecting that relationship over everyone
|
| From the article:
|
| _The vast majority of good people with good intent aren't
| doing any significant kind of frame control;_
|
| > healthy people will avoid her like the plague
|
| If you read her other writing you might learn that people are
| willing to pay significant amounts of money for her company.
| Maybe they aren't healthy, I dunno.
|
| I think you improperly slotted this insightful article as
| "woman with victim mentality projects her trauma on everyone"
| instead of "highly observant person describes behavioral
| patterns from experience". Maybe read it again?
| halayli wrote:
| I feel OP's definition needs to be narrowed down a bit. Debating
| climate change with someone that denies it is not a matter of
| opinion. Accepting that the sky is blue doesn't mean that I
| jumped into the other person's frame or I inherited their belief
| system. It just means I learnt a new fact.
| bsedlm wrote:
| > It just means I learnt a new fact.
|
| and that you're comfortably within a fact-based frame (perhaps
| "meta-frame" is more appropiate). Which is a very effective
| frame which enables cooperation with millions of others but
| nonetheless is a frame.
| errantmind wrote:
| This appears to be an example of weaponized generalization. The
| examples of what frame control looks like and doesn't look like
| are broad to the point of meaning anything you want them to mean,
| OR, lack any sense of boundaries.
|
| The author says everyone exercises frame control all the time,
| including themselves, and doesn't know what to do about it. In
| another sentence says their reaction when encountering it is to
| 'burn it with fire'. It ends with telling people to rely on their
| feelings.
|
| Convoluted, conflicted, generalized, and entitled. Everything I
| don't like.
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