[HN Gopher] Become a Signal Sustainer
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Become a Signal Sustainer
Author : feross
Score : 46 points
Date : 2021-12-01 20:32 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| drcongo wrote:
| I've pretty much stopped using Signal since they said they're not
| going to port it to M1. Probably would have done this otherwise.
| mdaniel wrote:
| While that certainly squares with my mental model, do you
| happen to have a link to that decision?
| drcongo wrote:
| Sorry, yes. There's multiple sources, but a lot of it
| collected here: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-
| Desktop/issues/4461
|
| They keep shutting down tickets about it, refuse to review a
| PR that implemented it for them, and won't even tick the box
| on the Signal iPad app that would make it available on M1
| Macs (where side-loaders have already confirmed for them that
| it works perfectly.
|
| 90% of my Signal usage was on desktop, so this has left such
| a bad taste that I'd rather use almost anything else now.
| willk wrote:
| > tick the box on the Signal iPad app that would make it
| available on M1 Macs
|
| This annoys me the most. I don't see the downside of them
| enabling it. It would bring the Mac client into feature
| parity with the IOS client and eventually reduce
| complexity. It seems like it would be an easy win-win.
| 0_____0 wrote:
| Is there a substantial benefit to running something like
| Signal on M1 natively vs. through Rosetta? I don't have an
| M1 Mac so I don't a feel for this issue but my
| understanding was that between Intel and M1+Rosetta, x86-64
| native applications run approximately the same.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| _> won 't even tick the box on the Signal iPad app that
| would make it available on M1 Macs_
|
| Isn't that box ticked by default? I think what Signal has
| done is gone in and deliberately unticked it to make you
| use the Intel Mac app in Rosetta rather than the iPad app.
|
| Edit: yup
|
| _> After you sign the updated developer agreement, the App
| Store automatically makes compatible iOS apps available to
| users of a Mac with Apple silicon. However, if you're
| already planning to ship a macOS version of your app, or if
| your app doesn't make sense on the Mac, you can change your
| app's availability in App Store Connect._
| drcongo wrote:
| Wow. That's even more user-hostile then.
| vinay427 wrote:
| Not the person you replied to, but a GitHub issue thread [1]
| seems quite close.
|
| I find it somewhat confusing and potentially troubling that
| (from a few minutes of searching so correct me if I'm wrong)
| a full-featured ARM-native fork seems to have been created in
| the community, but the team apparently doesn't want to go the
| extra mile of designing the build/CI system to incorporate
| this as an official release.
|
| [1] https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop/issues/5612
| mdaniel wrote:
| That's why I said it squares with my mental model. IIRC
| they have been super hostile to any 3rd party clients,
| which is (likely) what "created in the community" means to
| them
|
| I also have a ton of bitterness about their build system
| since it seems every few months they make their gradle and
| codesigning process more and more hostile to self-building.
| And I appreciate that is kind of an edge case but if they
| ever want people to chip in and try to fix the seemingly
| unbounded MMS (and now SMS!) bugs, they'd be well served to
| have less wizardry
| vageli wrote:
| Signal runs without issue on my M1 Macbook Air.
| ArchOversight wrote:
| It runs under Rosetta 2. Not natively.
| vinay427 wrote:
| I assume they mean native ARM support rather than depending
| on Rosetta 2, which from what I can tell [1] is still the
| case.
|
| [1] https://doesitarm.com/app/signal/
| bilal4hmed wrote:
| I also think it was more about ARM.....I dont like using it
| since it wont work on my ARM Chromebook, there are also the
| huge battery drain issues on Android and mediocre
| video/audio calling
| drcongo wrote:
| I didn't say it doesn't run, and thanks for the ill-informed
| downvote.
| tapoxi wrote:
| I really don't get their hostility to low hanging fruit. They
| continue to only publish a Debian package, if you're on any
| other distribution you need to use a community built Flatpak.
| They could improve the security of everyone by just building
| the same Flatpak themselves!
| headhasthoughts wrote:
| The Signal xbps package works fine, and Flatpaks are security
| hell.
| kayson wrote:
| I donated to Signal Foundation a while back and tried to get my
| employer donation match but no one from Signal ever responded to
| their information requests. Oh well... their loss
| aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA wrote:
| The Signal Technology Foundation is in Benevity. My employer
| matches 100%.
| tapoxi wrote:
| Maybe I'd care if they didn't spend a year of donation-funded
| development time on Mobilecoin integration.
| carlosdp wrote:
| Funny, I was just thinking I'd much rather they launched
| something like Mobilecoin instead of depending on donations.
| pindogu wrote:
| I agree, its really frustrating since that time and effort
| could've gone into messaging/communication features
| jarbus wrote:
| LOVE how they don't autorenew subscriptions. Despite the MOB
| fiasco, I think the people behind this still have good
| intentions.
| Shadonototra wrote:
| how they managed to pay their employees in the bay area up until
| then?
|
| donations? i don't buy it
|
| where can i find how they manage their finance?
| bilal4hmed wrote:
| here is the last time they published their numbers
|
| https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/824...
| Shadonototra wrote:
| 2018 - 609k of revenue (100% from investment)?
|
| 2019 - 19M of revenue
|
| --
|
| 2018 - 450k to AWS (indicates they have an infrastructure and
| users)
|
| 2019 - 887k to AWS
|
| so their invoice for AWS only just doubled and yet their
| revenue increased by 3019.87%
|
| very fishy activity
|
| i'd love to be able to see their cryto wallets, i suspect
| some money laundering activity
| gaius_baltar wrote:
| That explains the badge thing! Time to donate. Signal is not
| perfect and has a few things that make me really mad, but it is
| the best grandma-compatible IM we have.
|
| I also hope they start listening to their users or integrating
| some PRs already contributed on GitHub.
| daviross wrote:
| Don't they have a cryptocurrency to fund them instead, now? I
| mean, I get it, asking for money means more funding than not
| asking for money, but it combines in poor taste, in my opinion.
|
| I suppose at least they haven't gone in on NFTs, so there's still
| hope.
| somenewaccount1 wrote:
| will the books be open sourced? e.g. how much was donated vs how
| much it costs to run signal? Whom gets any excess? If it's truly
| non-profit, why not form a 503c that I can get a tax deduction
| for? That last part is what is required for larger donors to come
| on board.
| bilal4hmed wrote:
| They are a non profit, they just havent released their numbers
| in a few years
| https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/824...
| JackGreyhat wrote:
| Check signal's homepage. At the bottom, it says "Signal, a
| 501c3 nonprofit". Is that what you mean?
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