[HN Gopher] Typora 1.0
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Typora 1.0
Author : limoce
Score : 80 points
Date : 2021-11-27 15:10 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (support.typora.io)
(TXT) w3m dump (support.typora.io)
| lil-kernel wrote:
| Good for them! I've been a longtime fan. I still use Typora to
| edit most of my markdown - mostly because it's pretty close to
| Gitlab's rendering capabilities in terms of diagram support. I
| also love how lightweight it's always felt; it opens super
| quickly on every machine I've used it on. Kudos to the devs!
| hivacruz wrote:
| Great software. I have been using it for a few years now (and
| even made a few themes for it). The WYSIWYG mode is really the
| best feature for me and what made me picked this editor. I don't
| like the "Live Preview" mode on most of the editors because it
| opens a new window or make the main window really large.
|
| Something I like too (not sure if it exists somewhere else) is
| the ability to copy/paste an article (let's say from medium)
| directly in the WYSIWYG mode. You basically get your article just
| like it is being displayed on medium: h1 detected, paragraphs,
| bold etc. OOTB. Really nice.
| sergiomattei wrote:
| Good! It's important for developers to make money, everyone has
| to eat. They've created an awesome editing app.
| jlos wrote:
| I think Typora has far and away the best _document editing_
| experience of all the note software out there, but I wonder if
| they have released a paid 1.0 too late. Document editing is only
| a part of maintaining a system of notes and there are so many
| competitors in this market compared to just a few years ago. And
| with Obsidian soon to release their live preview I don 't know
| how competitive Typora with such a small feature set.
|
| That said, I hope Typora does well. No matter what I'm using for
| notes, I always find myself preferring to use Typora's editor
| because its design is so clean and usable. Its a perfect example
| of "Do one thing well". This one-time, $15 purchase (instead of a
| never-ending subscription) also feels in line with what has been
| nothing but a great user experience in the several years I've
| used Typora.
|
| Also, don't really care its closed source since all the files are
| local markdown. I also suspect the community of people only using
| open source note taking software isn't large enough to keep a
| developer sufficiently well paid to continue working on a
| project.
| galoisscobi wrote:
| I love using Typora. My favorite feature is the mathjax support.
| It has replaced latex for me for grad school assignments and
| saves a lot of time.
|
| Great to see that they won't be going the subscription route.
| rodneyzeng wrote:
| They did not exclude possible charge for major upgrade.
|
| I am not relying on typora. I use it for WYSIWYG markdown
| editing with equations. Actually I like more the functionality
| to copy pasted image to a folder - that is the only feature I
| really like.
|
| I still have not convinced myself to pay for it.
| tagrun wrote:
| That's quite a common feature in Markdown editors: retext,
| apostrophe, ghostwriter, notable, etc all support latex for
| equations.
| tagrun wrote:
| That's quite a common feature in Markdown editors: retext,
| apostrophe, ghostwriter, zettlr, notable, etc all support latex
| for equations.
| tomrod wrote:
| This will be a killer feature for a set of highly active users
| if they go this direction.
| zoomablemind wrote:
| > ...My favorite feature is the mathjax support.
|
| I too was drawn by this feature at first. But then discovered
| that with pages and pages of formulas, the rendering gets too
| sluggish which also impares the editing. So I had to disable
| the rendering just to edit some formulas.
|
| While I still see a use for Typora, especially due to its
| convenient export into .doc, I'm already considering
| alternatives.
| josephcsible wrote:
| For all the people saying you'd be happy to pay for this given
| its value to you: you're missing the point. The DRM is the
| problem, and paid software is perfectly capable of existing
| without DRM.
| sergiomattei wrote:
| What's the alternative?
| josephcsible wrote:
| What does all the software for sale on GOG do?
| staindk wrote:
| Get downloaded and hosted all around the internet for free
| download?
|
| I like what GOG is doing but I'm sure there is a lot of
| piracy of their stuff.
| josephcsible wrote:
| I'm sure there is too, but the point is that GOG and
| their developers are still profitable enough to keep
| doing it anyway. And there's a lot of piracy of stuff
| with DRM too.
| sergiomattei wrote:
| Snark aside, interesting business model. Never knew about
| this website.
| nomdep wrote:
| What DRM are you talking about?
| josephcsible wrote:
| They just added product activation to it, just like Windows
| has: https://support.typora.io/activation/
| coding123 wrote:
| Editorialized title. There is a lot of software out there that
| requires a license key.
| digitalsanctum wrote:
| I've been using Typora for years and always appreciated the
| simplicity of use. In the case where I'm writing prose I want the
| tool to stay out of my way and provide just enough value to be
| pleasureful.
|
| I've gladly paid the one time fee and plan to continue using it
| over Obsidian and Roam which I've tried in the past.
| Ooggle wrote:
| Ouch
| finiteseries wrote:
| 5 years later, started to think it would never bother!
|
| $15 is a no brainer given how much I personally use it. Have
| recently found myself dipping into/staying in vscode more and
| more for version controlled markdown though.
| paulbjensen wrote:
| 100% Agree. Only issue is that I'm trying to buy a licence but
| the payment options seem to be US-only (ZIP code validation).
| I'm trying to buy from the UK.
| khaled_ismaeel wrote:
| It seems like they are not available in all locations; my Russian
| Zip code is getting rejected. That's a shame cuz I literally just
| pressed the purchase button without reading the changelog, that's
| how much of a fan I am.
| kemitchell wrote:
| Been asking them for a way to pay for years. $15 seems really
| modest.
| paradaux wrote:
| I have used Typora, it's alright -- but it's definitely no
| Obsidian[^1] Typora is very limited in terms of plugins /
| customisability -- although it's standard feature set might be
| enough
|
| Obsidian is my new Emacs, it rules my life through some plugins
| I've written for myself, it can be a simple focus driven markdown
| editor like Typora if I need it to be, or a full knowledge suite
| like Notion and the likes of that all while managed by git.
|
| I can't see a reason as to why I would ever use Typora over
| Obsidian, but I might not be the target user.
|
| [^1]: https://obsidian.md
| forty wrote:
| Since it's your new Emacs, can you explain how Obsidian compare
| to Org mode? (I see that apparently it's not open source?).
| Thanks!
| paradaux wrote:
| Not org mode per se, however I have written a small tool
| which converts some markdown front matter in markdown into
| entries in todoist so that I can match notes with
| actionables, thats show my workflow has developed as a full
| time student.
| stanislavb wrote:
| Typora: https://typora.io/
| CubityFirst wrote:
| Typora is a WYSIWYG editor, while Obsidian isn't (atleast not
| without plugins).
|
| I do find myself editing my obsidian files inside of Typora on
| a semi-regular basis.
| EleanorKonik wrote:
| Typora is nice for the clean WYSIWYG editing experience, but
| now that Obsidian has Live Preview mode (currently in Insider-
| access beta) I had actually just uninstalled Typora because I
| was having trouble updating it and didn't feel like dealing
| with figuring out why.
|
| I guess the new licensing is why, heh.
| boomskats wrote:
| Thanks for making me aware of the Live Preview mode. You've
| just earned Obsidian another Catalyst subscriber.
| kajiryoji wrote:
| Could you describe a bit why Obsidian feels superior to you? I
| tried to get into Obsidian multiple times but I just never got
| it. I don't really see myself clicking on the knowledge graph
| every other day, and typora actually had wikilinks.
| paradaux wrote:
| I never use the knowledge graph, I don't think anyone who
| uses obsidian daily does either. Other than it looking pretty
| it doesn't have a practical use for me.
|
| Obsidian's back links are pretty great and holding alt over
| them will give you a Wikipedia-style snapshot of the note, or
| you can control click to open it in a new window.
|
| I use it as a knowledge IDE for college and work, and as such
| it lacks the simplicity that Typora has; I think they're
| aiming for two different markets
| drannex wrote:
| Their built in indexing and searching system is really
| where they shine. The ability to #tag content throughout a
| document, create and link to internal documents and have
| all the the links update as file names change or are moved
| is really why the program is as solid as it is
|
| And all of that while keeping hold of your data in simple
| readable formats! while the software isn't OSS, it is free
| and you can use any older version to sync with your server
| of choice. The extension ecosystem is insanely healthy,
| productive, and easy to write your own that works on both
| desktop and mobile.
|
| Note: If you are on Linux DO NOT INSTALL THE SNAP - its
| really, really slow. The flatpak or AppImage are perfectly
| fine.
| YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote:
| Typora is a markdown reader/writer not a note taking or
| knowledge base application. It's strange for you to compare
| them like that.
| paradaux wrote:
| I acknowledged this, what I was trying to get across is that
| the existence of obsidian obliterates the need for something
| like Typora as its functionality is baked into obsidian
| sufficiently for me
| arendtio wrote:
| > Obsidian is a powerful knowledge base on top of a local
| folder of plain text Markdown files.
|
| Sounds to me like Obsidian is a Markdown editor too ;-)
| Granted it has a somewhat specific purpose but I don't find
| it too strange to compare them.
| YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote:
| > Typora - A minimal Markdown editor and reader.
|
| > Obsidian - Obsidian is a powerful knowledge base on top
| of a local folder of plain text Markdown files.
|
| Just because two applications have somewhat the same
| features - the purpose of the application as stated by the
| developers is different and with that there are different
| kind of optimization and shortcomings . ;-)
| boomskats wrote:
| 100% agree. In addition, Obsidian has a great Vim mode, which
| is something that we've been asking for in Typora for years
| [0]. Typora is less buggy than Codemirror, but it's a small
| price to pay for native keybondings. I've now completely
| switched over to it, from a combination of Typora and Inkdrop.
|
| Obsidian still doesn't replicate Typora's clean aesthetic
| though. It's something I really wish it had - some kind of
| clean Zen mode. A clean theme / zen plugin is on my list of
| wishful weekend hack TODOs.
|
| [0]: https://github.com/typora/typora-issues/issues/187
| EleanorKonik wrote:
| Maybe check out the new Typewriter theme for Obsidian + Focus
| Mode plugin?
|
| https://github.com/crashmoney/obsidian-typewriter
| https://github.com/ryanpcmcquen/obsidian-focus-mode
| boomskats wrote:
| The Focus Mode plugin is just what I was looking for! Thank
| you. I really enjoy reading your blog btw.
| account-5 wrote:
| What does Typora have over ghostwriter, remarkable, zettlr, or
| apostrophe?
|
| I mostly use Zim-Wiki but if I'm doing markdown these seem to
| provide everything Typora for free.
| russellbeattie wrote:
| I really love Typora - I've used it for years, and not always
| because of any MD support - it's just a beautiful app that works
| well. The cost is a no brainer given how many years I've already
| been using it.
|
| I'll use this opportunity to say once again that I hate Markdown.
| We need to have a Web 2.0 style evolution for documents and
| document fragments using both HTML and Unicode. In 2021 it is
| absolutely insane that I can easily add an emoji with varying
| shades but I can't add basic formatting to text like bold or
| italic without resorting to a proprietary tricks, that normally
| get lost the first time you copy/paste.
| PhilipTrauner wrote:
| The release notes don't include release dates, but if the Twitter
| account registration date is to be trusted, Typora has been
| around since late 2014.
|
| A one time 15$ purchase is a steal for all the value I got out of
| the beta versions over the years.
|
| Even Sublime Text 3's monumentally long beta period appears brief
| when compared with Typora's.
| mythz wrote:
| Never met a WYSIWYG markdown editor I liked since all efforts of
| making it WYSIWYG impacts text editing.
|
| For all markdown docs now I've moved to just using VS Code with a
| live reload UI, the best DevUX I've found is VitePress [1] which
| immediately updates on save and shows the real thing, i.e.
| exactly how the docs will look including rendering any custom
| markdown-it extensions or Vue Components embedded in the page.
|
| One free Markdown editor I have started using is Notable [2]
| which has become a worthy replacement to Notepad for manually
| managing TODO notes & sporadic text files in a neat simple UI
| with built-in search, pin working docs and custom labels for
| quick organization and retrieval. It works exactly how I wanted
| it to as a minimal UI for editing static .md files in a directory
| with all metadata stored in frontmatter that displays preview
| mode by default and an unobtrusive text mode when editing it.
|
| [1] https://vitepress.vuejs.org
|
| [2] https://notable.app
| jrudolph wrote:
| Just a shoutout that vuepress 2 (or is it called vuepress-
| next?) can also bundle via vite. I haven't compared it to
| vitepress, but its reloads from markdown are also really
| snappy.
| antattack wrote:
| Here's what's the fuss about: (quote from Typora, emphasis mine):
|
| _I cannot activate Typora Error message "Please input a valid
| license code"_
|
| Please check if your license code is valid or not, license code
| are using formats like XXXXXX-XXXXXX-XXXXXX-XXXXXX with uppercase
| letters and numbers.
|
| If you forgot your license code, please refer "How to retrieve my
| license code if I forgot it ?". Error message "Email address
| confirmation does not match"
|
| Because once you used a license code, _same email address MUST be
| used for the same license code in future activations_. So you
| will need to input email address twice for confirmation. If those
| two input is not the same, this error will shown. So please check
| and correct your email address when met this error.
|
| _Error message "This license code has been used with a different
| email address."_
|
| Because once you used a license code, same email address MUST be
| used for the same license code in future activations. This errors
| shows if the email address you use did not math the email address
| that that has been used when activating Typora with the license
| code at the first time. Error message "Failed to access the
| license server. Please check your network or try gain later."
|
| _Activation Typora requires network connection_
| ascendantlogic wrote:
| People want to (eventually) be compensated for their hard work
| and the value you derive from their hard work. Not a shock.
| skinkestek wrote:
| I just realized I wanted to buy it even if I don't use it just
| because it is an honest one time purchase with no attached
| subscription madness.
| rdpintqogeogsaa wrote:
| They clearly detail that an internet connection is required to
| activate[0].
|
| Whenever I read such statements, I always find myself wondering:
| What's their plan for when the product is discontinued? It's a
| "when", not an "if", after all.
|
| [0] https://support.typora.io/activation/
| TheRealPomax wrote:
| Why would that be a problem? Start using a new editor. The idea
| that Typora would be the only good markdown editor by the time
| the devs walk away from it is basically inconceivable given
| that it's _already_ not the only contender in the space.
|
| If you paid $15 and 10 years later that license no longer
| works, you got your money's worth, time for a new editor. Like
| we treat all paid software.
| skeeks wrote:
| Yeah, that's one side. But how you can guarantee that everyone
| that uses your software has really a license? It is not an easy
| problem.
|
| And once, the product is discontinued, they still could release
| an update disabling the license check.
| josephcsible wrote:
| > But how you can guarantee that everyone that uses your
| software has really a license?
|
| You can't guarantee that even with DRM, since it's breakable.
|
| > And once, the product is discontinued, they still could
| release an update disabling the license check.
|
| They could, but what if they don't? It's not like they're
| legally obligated to escrow their source code in case they
| don't, or anything like that.
| TobTobXX wrote:
| if I understood correctly, activation is a one-time process. So
| you buy the license and then activate the product and then you
| have it, period.
|
| Since you purchased the licence from this very server, there's
| no point in worrying it'll be down, except you purchased it
| like 3yrs ago and would like to activate it now.
| josephcsible wrote:
| People occasionally wipe and reinstall their computers from
| scratch, and buy new computers.
| JulianMorrison wrote:
| And as a user, what's _your_ plan to keep being able to access
| your notes?
|
| I feel that if you don't control your data, then you don't have
| your data. A license that might evaporate means your data
| exists at somebody else's whim. I'd move it out of that system
| fast.
| ReaLNero wrote:
| The notes are stored as .md files on your computer.
| josephcsible wrote:
| That's a valid concern for most DRM-encumbered software, but
| Typora in particular saves in a format that other programs
| can read.
| cute_boi wrote:
| Actually its a good business model and typora seems to look clean
| WYSIWYG editor. And making such things requires a lot of effort
| etc. It also seems to be cross platform so paying $15 for product
| which seems to be regularly updated doesn't seems bad. I think I
| will purchase it even though I don't use it just to encourage the
| author.
|
| Thanks for no subscription etc gimmicks.
| tptacek wrote:
| We're asked, over and over again, by the guidelines and by
| moderator comments, not to editorialize titles like this. This is
| a particularly egregious example; the submission is simply the
| release notes for the 1.0 version of an editor called Typora, and
| this submission should be called "Typora 1.0".
| MikusR wrote:
| We're asked, over and over again to editorialize titles like
| this
| andybak wrote:
| How does one post a link when the only interesting thing about
| it is buried or non-obvious?
|
| I think linking to our own blog posts or tweets is also
| disallowed (?) so we have to wait for someone else to blog
| about it? I've never quite understood how to solve this puzzle
| as it means a reasonably large class of pertinent information
| is impossible to post to HN.
| stopagephobia wrote:
| Often people end up waiting for an outlet to cover it and
| write a news story on that interesting information. So
| technically then it's not "editorializing". I just don't know
| that it's better to do that, and sometimes the link gets
| changed to the actual source anyway. Maybe "Tell HN" should
| get more common for these?
| akerl_ wrote:
| Linking to your own blog isn't disallowed, and in fact "write
| a blog post about the thing and then link to that" is the
| right way to handle this.
|
| I think the rule that may be tripping you up is "Please don't
| use HN primarily for promotion. It's ok to post your own
| stuff occasionally, but the primary use of the site should be
| for curiosity."
|
| That rule is focused on avoiding self-promotion. For example,
| if you're working on a cool new idea, don't just post a new
| link to your site once a week. But writing a blog post to dig
| into an element of something Typora has changed is pretty
| clearly fine.
| andybak wrote:
| Thanks. In that case I think the rule is mostly fine. At
| least it would be if there was better options for micro-
| blogging on the spur of the moment ;-)
| helmholtz wrote:
| I hope that last sentence was sarcastic. I fucking detest
| microblogging. Oh wow, thanks Seth Godin! Your trite and
| cliched 1-paragraph was so non-obvious and original!
| Definitely not something anyone else has ever thought of
| before! And thank you from sparing me all nuance,
| context, and the need for fleshing out an argument in any
| detail! No no, just what I needed this morning was an
| even lower signal to noise.
| dang wrote:
| As TobTobXX said, one option is to post the link and then add
| a comment explaining what you think is interesting.
|
| If you want to say what you think is important about an
| article, that's fine, but the place to do that is in a
| comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level
| playing field with everyone else's: https://hn.algolia.com/?d
| ateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
| TobTobXX wrote:
| Write a comment?
| [deleted]
| dang wrote:
| Fixed now. Thanks!
|
| Submitted title was "Typora 1.0 needs a license code to use" -
| which was definitely editorialized. From
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: " _Please use
| the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don 't
| editorialize._"
| porker wrote:
| I love Typora. It turns out that I am a visual person and while I
| can _write_ Markdown easily, my writing flows better when I use a
| visual editor (but not MS Word. That program gives me writers'
| block).
|
| This is apparently in contrast to most software developers, given
| the feedback here. Obsidian doesn't work for me for this reason.
| rememberdeath wrote:
| Obsidian has a WYSIWYG editor coming soon.
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