[HN Gopher] Reality shifting: an emergent online daydreaming cul...
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Reality shifting: an emergent online daydreaming culture
Author : geox
Score : 39 points
Date : 2021-11-27 14:44 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| a94d5dc743 wrote:
| That's lots of undead bodies to support; a huge market potential
| for BSaaS (body-support-as-a-service).
|
| But there can arise a conflict of acronyms, because Bull-Shit-as-
| a-Science is already alive and kicking.
| stathibus wrote:
| The only novel part of this is the particular way that kids talk
| about it with each other on the internet. The activity itself is
| the same old stuff.
| theshadowknows wrote:
| Wow, and here I am dropping cash on weed and shrooms like a
| chump. I'll be honest, this strikes me as similar to the whole
| binaural sounds thing...I tried that way back in high school and
| got nothing from it but my friend swore it was elevating. I won't
| knock it, I'm sure some people really do get something out of it
| and who and I to say otherwise. I might even try it some time.
| But shrooms haven't ever let me down. So at least I've got a
| backup
| A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote:
| I always had this idea that meditation was the long way to the
| shortcut drugs offered. I am saying meditation, because,
| despite using fancy new terminology (RS)( ..[is] facilitated by
| specific induction methods involving relaxation, concentration
| of attention, and autosuggestion ), the paper does not really
| describe new phenomenon, but rather.. a new generation
| rediscovering 60s.
|
| History. Rhymes. And all that.
| booleandilemma wrote:
| _Many young females report joining Draco Malfoy as his
| girlfriend. Draco is a fictional character from the Harry Potter
| series, characterized as a cowardly bully who tricks and hurts
| people to get what he wants, a cunning user of magic._
|
| Were people paid to write this paper?
|
| It sounds like their research was browsing wattpad and reddit for
| an afternoon.
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| Funny, I thought that was one of the more interesting parts of
| the paper.
|
| >It sounds like their research was browsing wattpad and reddit
| for an afternoon.
|
| They explicitly say these are locations of the community in the
| paper. I don't think this invalidates anything. When performing
| contemporary anthropology, it is pretty common to observe
| subjects in their normal environment.
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| What a fascinating paper!
|
| Somewhat sad that one of the top fantasies for young women is to
| be partnered to a cruel and abusive Draco Malfoy. I'm guessing it
| is an extension of bad boy syndrome.
| questiondev wrote:
| i think it can be healthy. visionaries are people who see the
| future using existing constructs, here is a way to look at it,
| before you do anything you typically think or envision yourself
| doing that action before you do it, the way it works best is
| breaking it down into steps instead of staying at the final
| image. in all actuality if you write each step down and give
| possible ways to accomplish each step and add a date you have
| what many planning books call micro goals that lead to the end
| goal or overall goal. never let the internet stop you from
| dreaming, a lot more is possible if we allow our minds to think
| of possible outcomes.
|
| plus, mostly everyone dreams, even a nightmare is a dream, might
| as well think of alternatives to get yourself out of mental
| gridlock.
|
| imagination is where abundance exist because abundance is the
| mindset of how we think about what we have in front of us.
| scarcity is the limiting of beliefs about the world around us. if
| we thought the cave was the only shelter none of us would be here
| sipping on lattes inside of a coffee shop scrolling yc
| AreYouSirius wrote:
| Matrix generation.
| bee_rider wrote:
| Interesting phenomenon.
|
| I'm not super well versed on quantum physics, but I'm not sure
| that a system that includes travel between universes should be
| described as 'rooted in extrapolations of modern cosmology,
| quantum theory,[...,],' so much based on fictional systems
| lightly inspired by quantum physics.
|
| Anyway, given the state of the world it isn't that surprising
| that people would like to indulge in a bit more daydreaming
| nowadays. Especially young adults missing formative early events
| (a happy and relatively free first couple years of independence
| in college, for example). Perhaps there's an 'alternate universe'
| in which we really isolated college campuses and the students
| there could have had their Hogwarts. We failed them miserably.
| nynx wrote:
| This paper is worth reading, the whole reality shifting thing
| (and related concepts like tulpamancy) is a very interesting
| psychological phenomenon.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| Also known as having an imagination. I remember doing this on bus
| rides to better understand quake levels.
| vsareto wrote:
| I'm thinking being able to replay worlds or map geometry like
| your brain is rendering it live is more rare and maybe this is
| teaching it a bit. No one's ever quizzed me on how many details
| (big and small) I could get right though.
| Flankk wrote:
| Gen Z is using TikTok to teleport to Hogwarts? Is this parody?
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| Speaking of daydreaming, 2013 wasn't a great year for movies, so
| I was out of options when I went to see "The Secret Life of
| Walter Mitty" [1], and boy it turned out to be a great one.
|
| [1]:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Walter_Mi...
| teg4n_ wrote:
| This reminds me of when I was in high school, depressed, and
| desperately wanting to lucid dream. I understand the appeal. The
| blur between "worlds" gets into some wild sci-fi morality
| situations though.
| smoldesu wrote:
| Interesting to see them mention tulpas here. It's always been a
| bit of a meme online, but I knew a pretty tenured hypnotist who
| was utterly terrified of the things. He'd seen tulpas cause
| irreversible psychological damage to the people who adopted them,
| where many people would become completely attached to a character
| or particular fiction in their head. This could cause them to act
| out involuntarily, induce constant paranoia or even completely
| alter their perception of reality. He figures the human brain is
| simply not meant for multiple inhabitants, and I'm inclined to
| agree. Hearing the occasional story of a person who's gotten in
| too far with tulpas just makes me sad, particularly because
| there's no real easy "fix" for it. Oftentimes, people wall
| themselves in to an altered reality and refuse to leave, be it by
| their own volition, or even another's.
| spats1990 wrote:
| What's interesting about this stuff is that it seems to support
| interpretation through multiple cognitive frameworks. There
| could be a mystical/esoteric explanation for why those people
| became so attached to the characters or fictions. Or it could
| be that they were already vulnerable to schizophrenic or
| depersonalization/derealization-type disorders.
|
| It's like how you'll sometimes hear/read people say that
| tantra/mediation stuff like Kundalini can be dangerous because
| it results in an energy imbalance that could potentially be
| irreparable and/or lead to lasting damage.
| bencollier49 wrote:
| Yeah, the various explanations are a bit like geometry vs.
| algebra in maths. They're different tools for explaining the
| same things.
| bencollier49 wrote:
| From reading around the subject there seems to be a weird
| intersection between the _My Little Pony_ fandom, Tulpas, and
| some of the more unusual sexual proclivities.
|
| I actually know an exorcist from a mainline church; I should
| ask him what he makes of it.
| bencollier49 wrote:
| Interesting how occult concepts like astral travel (reality
| shifting) and familiars & daemons (tulpamancy) are getting
| recycled without the Victorian baggage.
| spats1990 wrote:
| i think in the last 5-6 years we've seen in western/anglosphere
| culture a growing surge of interest in both occult stuff, like
| you say, or occultish New Age stuff (astrology) as well as
| renewed interest in the old organised religions among younger
| people. at the very least there is a willingness to hold a
| "live and let live" attitude toward the spiritual beliefs of
| others.
|
| of course this is just a hunch and other people's anecdata
| might say otherwise, but i tend to think it could be a swing of
| the pendulum or "backlash" from New Atheist influence in the
| discourse in the 2000s and early 2010s.
| bencollier49 wrote:
| The mystical stuff cycles around about every 25 years, but
| comes in from a different direction each time. The last boom
| was around the millennium.
|
| As for the traditional religion, my guess is it's
| traditionalism in response to the increase in cultural
| warfare we've seen recently.
| noah_buddy wrote:
| It's funny because those things were couching certain phenomena
| (chiefly, being able to imagine things and, perhaps to an
| extent, hallucination due to external factors) into terms
| compatible with the dominant beliefs of the time (magicks of
| all sorts) while this is somewhat couched in the ideas of
| rationality and science, at least "reality shifting."
| bencollier49 wrote:
| The Tulpa stuff has been reinterpreted in materialist terms
| too (apparently 80% of people treat it this way, from some
| study or other).
|
| Of course, interpreting these things in just one way is a
| category mistake.
| wildpeaks wrote:
| It seems natural for our generations who grew up with 3D worlds
| (from games or online communities) to be able to navigate the
| mind's eye version of it, the same way you can mentally walk in a
| familiar store in order to plan your route ahead of time.
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