[HN Gopher] End of Support for Firefox Lockwise
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End of Support for Firefox Lockwise
Author : tfehring
Score : 123 points
Date : 2021-11-23 19:02 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Another Mozilla project bites the dust.
|
| You have one job: Build Firefox. Drop the side projects.
| jagger27 wrote:
| Unless the side projects have a future version of Firefox in
| mind.
| antback wrote:
| But to access the same functionality with Firefox in android I
| have to go into 3 levels of menus or I'm wrong. Very annoying ...
| mosselman wrote:
| Installing a separate app and signing in on it sounds a lot
| more cumbersome
| krzyk wrote:
| It is one time install, and signing in just after restart.
| used for autocomletion in apps. With just firefox I won't
| have that.
| [deleted]
| tomrod wrote:
| Very unfortunate. I've appreciated Lockwise for syncing between
| desktop and mobile. The FF mobile Android app has been a hot mess
| since at least last summer when their UX update rolled out.
|
| I so want to support Mozilla but their moves always seem to be
| anti-power user. Oh well.
|
| Any recommendations? I'm looking at NordPass but would love to
| hear about other alternatives.
| alpsne wrote:
| I switched to Bitwarden and I have been very happy with their
| service.
| andoli wrote:
| I know I'm being a bit naive, but I trusted them more than any
| other random "free as in beer" password manager service...I
| didn't mind too much the rather miserable mobile experience, as
| long as it got the job done.
|
| That's bad Mozilla. Lockwise was the reason I started donating.
| kunagi7 wrote:
| It's sad to see a simple password manager go. Even if it's
| integrated inside Firefox most users will probably look
| elsewhere (Bitwarden, Keepass). I use the later, the file db
| works great and its easy to move between devices when needed.
|
| Also, donations to Mozilla go to the foundation instead of the
| corporation. The only way to give them some useful money is
| paying for the services they sell like the VPN service (but
| also don't forget that Mozilla is just a Mullvad reseller).
| MyStckRnnthOvr wrote:
| It would be really great if, when announcing the deprecation with
| a firm date, they would also announce a firm (preferably earlier)
| date for the replacement iOS Firefox functionality.
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| Happy 1password customer, Bitwarden is also pretty great. Dont'
| depend on a single browser vendor for this stuff.
| notRobot wrote:
| I am not happy about this. I like having the standalone Lockwise
| app on my Android phone as a password manager.
|
| When the app is discontinued, will I still be able to use
| autofill in other apps?
|
| And what about the apps where autofill doesn't work? Having to
| open my browser for every password I need to copy on my phone
| just seems clunky and stupid.
|
| I'm so fucking sick of Mozilla breaking their UX flows for every
| damn thing. Just keep the app!
| kbenson wrote:
| > Also, having to open my browser for every password I need to
| copy on my phone just seems clunky and stupid.
|
| You don't (at least for Android), the functionality of Lockwise
| appears to have been replicated in Firefox. There's a toggle in
| the logins and passwords settings section of Firefox to allow
| it to fill in passwords for other apps.
|
| Apparently they're rolling it out in iOS next month, according
| to the article (as jdlshore pointed out).
| kevincox wrote:
| Fantastic! I never liked having another app for passwords so
| I removed lockwise as soon as Firefox (the new one) got
| password support but was never aware that it grew autofill
| support!
| kelnos wrote:
| I'm not sure how great this is, though, from a security
| perspective. When I select Firefox as my autofill provider
| on Android, I get this message:
|
| > "Make sure you trust this app"
|
| > "Firefox Beta uses what's on your screen to determine
| what can be autofilled."
|
| So, unless I'm mistaken, it sounds like the OS gives the
| selected app special privileges to read what's on the
| screen (at all times?). I would much rather have a
| standalone, single-purpose app doing this than a gigantic
| browser. The former is much easier to secure.
| alimbada wrote:
| Same. I use Lockwise on iOS. The tone of the email I've just
| received about this from Mozilla makes it sound as if they've
| done something wonderful and they're giving themselves a pat on
| the back which is even more maddening.
| graton wrote:
| > When the app is discontinued, will I still be able to use
| autofill in other apps?
|
| Yes on Android, I have no knowledge of iOS. Just go into the
| Settings -> Logins and Passwords -> Autofill in other apps.
| rwky wrote:
| >When the app is discontinued, will I still be able to use
| autofill in other apps?
|
| Thankfully it appears it will work
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29322019
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| For anyone looking to stay on an open source solution: Keepass
| databases, synced using whatever sync tool floats your boat
| (syncthing, Nextcloud, iCloud etc.)
|
| On Android I used KeepassXC and syncthing.
|
| After switching to iOS: Keepassium + NextCloud.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their
| job?
|
| They've managed to lose almost all their market popularity,
| mobile Firefox share is almost nonexistent, they pay their
| executives extremely disproportionately compared to most
| nonprofits, they have expanded into countless failed side
| projects (Firefox OS, Firefox Send) and vestigial side projects
| they aren't good at (Pocket, Firefox Focus, Firefox Reality,
| Firefox Lockwise, Firefox Monitor, Mozilla VPN) which only serve
| to distract Mozilla from working on Firefox.
|
| And since then they've now decided they are an NGO fighting for
| the Freedom of the Internet or something, even though all Google
| has to do is pull royalty funding because Firefox's market share
| is not worth supporting for how small it is, and their entire
| operation will fall overnight like a house of cards.
| skrowl wrote:
| >When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their
| job?
|
| You mean like https://www.palemoon.org/ ,
| https://www.waterfox.net/ ,
| https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ , etc, or something
| different?
| kf6nux wrote:
| > When do we fork Firefox because Mozilla is a failure at their
| job?
|
| When we can _and will_ do better.
|
| FWIW, I heard Mozilla is offering full refunds to everyone that
| purchased Lockwise, which is way better than you'd get from any
| for-profit company.
| Miraste wrote:
| But Lockwise is free. Was that the joke?
| kf6nux wrote:
| Yup, I was poking fun at the entitlement people feel toward
| FOSS developers who release free products.
|
| Amusingly, the person railing against Mozilla didn't catch
| that it's free and used "the refunds" as an additional
| talking point against Mozilla.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Full refunds? I get the ethics - but that means that this
| entire experiment was a very, very expensive failure that
| only caused a net loss to the brand and Mozilla's finances.
| Heads should roll in management, but they won't.
| dralley wrote:
| >was a very, very expensive
|
| Why do you keep pretending to know this?
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| It doesn't take much math to know that Engineering Hours
| + 100% return of all money made + Damages from having
| money and then not having it + Labor and processing and
| lost credit card fees = Expensive experiment.
|
| Also they laid off a major Firefox engineering division
| because of tight funds. You can't tell me that the side
| projects didn't have something to do with that.
| elcapitan wrote:
| Once their market share is so small that it doesn't protect
| Google from the next round of monopoly discussion anymore,
| they'll probably pull the plug anyway. It's a shame.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Mozilla is _out of their minds_ to think that paying their
| top executive _$2.4 million_ per year for 2018 onward (and
| rising exponentially, it was "only" $1 million a year in
| 2016) is a good idea.
|
| It's egregious by average nonprofit levels, particularly one
| that advocates "ethics" like Mozilla, and considering they
| laid off a major part of the development team, that's like 20
| developers.
|
| Hiring 20 developers to work on your _core product_ so that
| Google keeps paying you, versus raising the top executive 's
| pay for absolutely no good results other than adding failing
| side projects. Insanity.
| krzyk wrote:
| Not sure what you are writing regarding Firefox Send and
| Lockwise. They are/were good, or at least good for me.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| They are decent - but they are undermining the development of
| the Firefox browser by consuming lots of precious time and
| money which is not what Firefox needs right now.
|
| Remember that Mozilla get's 90%+ of its funding, not from
| donations, but from Google for being the default search
| engine. Firefox's market share is now ~4%, dangerously close
| to where Google might decide that the payout isn't worth it.
| And close enough where Google thinks they could stop payments
| without causing any antitrust ire because it's such a small
| percentage it doesn't make any business sense.
|
| You would think Mozilla executives would take that as a sign
| that their funding and core product is at stake and they need
| to double-down on it. Instead, they fire engineering teams
| and spread into the many side projects in a desperate attempt
| at diversification that isn't working.
| Miraste wrote:
| I get where you're coming from, and I would also love to
| have more work put into Firefox, but development speed has
| precisely nothing to do with why it's lost so much market
| share. Nobody is choosing a browser because of feature
| checklists. The average user has Chrome because it's the
| default on Android and ChromeOS, and on everything else a
| helpful notification tells you that your browser sucks and
| you should get Chrome as soon as you google something, or
| check your email, or watch a video, or open a document.
| It's the strongest software marketing in history and short
| of antitrust legislation I don't see any way for Mozilla to
| compete.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Maybe when Firefox was at 33% and Google was just
| starting to gain major dominance in Chrome, Firefox
| should have realized the game was changing and tried
| blocking ads for Chrome or even lying to Google
| properties that it was Chrome (as Microsoft Edge now is
| capable of even though Microsoft AFAIK hasn't flipped the
| switch).
|
| If Google complained, Firefox could say it was a response
| to anticompetitive behavior. Google would then be a
| catch-22 where if they cut Firefox's default search
| funding, they would be inviting lawsuits and
| investigations. It wouldn't be a healthy relationship but
| it would have given Firefox a stronger footing than right
| now.
|
| But Firefox just naively believed adding more fluff like
| Pocket and paying their executives ludicrous sums of cash
| would do the trick. You can't do that - you need to get
| into the mindset that Google _wants_ to kill you and has
| the power and brand to do it, so you need to fight and
| stop the bleeding or get killed.
| dralley wrote:
| "lots"
|
| But are they? I doubt you actually have any special
| knowledge of this. They don't seem to me like they would
| require so much resources.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| It's an open secret if you want to look around. For
| example:
|
| https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html
|
| "Sadly Mozilla's annual report doesn't break down
| expenses on a per-project basis so it's impossible to
| know how much of the spending that is on Mozilla's
| programme is being spent on Firefox and how much is being
| spent on all these other side-projects.
|
| What you can at least infer is that the side-projects are
| expensive. Software development always is. Each of the
| projects named above (and all the other ones that were
| never announced or that I don't know about) will have
| required business analysts, designers, user researchers,
| developers, testers and all the other people you need in
| order to create a consumer web project.
|
| The biggest cost of course is the opportunity cost of
| just spending that money on other stuff - or nothing: it
| could have been invested to build an endowment. Now
| Mozilla is in the situation where apparently there isn't
| enough money left to fully fund Firefox development."
| michaelhoffman wrote:
| Personally I like Pocket although there are certainly places
| where it could use improvement.
| the_duke wrote:
| There is exactly zero chance of maintaining an up to date,
| reasonably fast and secure browser without a large, dedicated
| team of highly qualified developers. Good luck with forking...
|
| Mozilla has definitely failed with most of their side projects,
| many of them really redundant. And shutting them down is really
| bad for their reputation.
|
| But they also need to find some funding source that doesn't
| make them beholden to Google or Microsoft. They have been
| desperately trying to do that.
|
| Ignoring the fact that many of those side projects probably
| took one or two part time devs, with the vast majority working
| on the browser ... only working on Firefox won't get them any
| revenue.
|
| And no, a subscription model probably won't work. As things
| stand they would need maybe 30-40 million subscribers paying
| 10$/year to match Googles money. That's never happening.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| "But they also need to find some funding source that doesn't
| make them beholden to Google or Microsoft. They have been
| desperately trying to do that."
|
| I agree. How about we do some executive cuts at Mozilla then?
| $2.4 million for the top exec over there, maybe to $300K or
| so which is closer to average for a nonprofit, would be a
| free $2 million per year. It's not like those executives have
| been successful in any way to merit that cash.
|
| I'm just stuck with that, I want Firefox to succeed, but the
| leadership has real problems. And they need cash flow, but
| side projects aren't doing it, so double-down already on your
| success and try to claw back slowly - don't flee from what's
| working.
|
| Maybe even Fight Dirty. I have never figured out why Firefox
| doesn't pretend to be Chrome on Google websites or try to
| hide the "Download Chrome" or "Unsupported Browser" popups.
| Microsoft doesn't care in their quest, Firefox shouldn't
| either.
| the_duke wrote:
| Don't get so hung up on that salary. Managing a 400 million
| + revenue company with 700+ employees is a big job with
| lots of responsibility and legal liability. Considering
| what US developers make, 2 million is not a lot of money
| for that job in SF and perfectly fine for a qualified CEO.
|
| Mozilla did not find a qualified candidate and had to make
| due with a weak one, probably in part due to the low
| compensation.
| afavour wrote:
| I agree the top execs could be paid less but it's still a
| rounding error in their overall funding. It would be a
| symbolic gesture, welcomed by many. But it wouldn't make a
| massive difference.
| emn13 wrote:
| While I agree that the CEO's pay seems unreasonable, let's
| not pretend it's a singular factor that's going to make a
| significant dent overall.
|
| The best thing people can do is simply use firefox; the
| longer we avoid a chromium monoculture; the better - and
| while mozilla the corp may suffer, as long as the userbase
| doesn't entirely vanish, they might survive based on the
| scraps microsoft or google throws them.
| chuckSu wrote:
| Fork it. Nobody's stopping you.
| throwaway946513 wrote:
| For iOS users, while autofill doesn't seem to be added just yet -
| passwords are available from the hamburger menu in Firefox, as
| well as adding, viewing, and managing passwords within iOS.
|
| Mozilla has stated that they will add the autofill functionality
| to Firefox for the system-wide use.
| chrysoprace wrote:
| Lockwise has always seemed like a weird product to me. I would've
| liked to use it but I don't exclusively use Firefox so I need a
| password manager that works on other browsers. It's
| understandable that they didn't want to make it cross-browser,
| but that flaw just makes it uncompetitive when compared to
| Bitwarden who don't have a vested interest in making it only work
| on one browser.
| imnotjames wrote:
| Ah, you got me by a minute to submit.
|
| This is a bummer but not surprising. There have been a number of
| outstanding bugs that were never addressed and releases were
| slowing down - even when github commits were getting backed up.
| ssivark wrote:
| Please do elaborate. Also, does this leave users in the lurch,
| or will an updated Firefox satisfy all the use cases of
| Lockwise? Thanks.
| imnotjames wrote:
| For about 6 months or so I had to build my own release of
| lockwise because they had trouble supporting a point release
| of Android.
|
| Their repo also hasn't seen any commits for about a year now:
|
| https://github.com/mozilla-lockwise/lockwise-android
| kbenson wrote:
| Current Firefox on Android supports prior lockwise use cases,
| from what I can see and what was reported in the comments
| here. You might have to toggle it on first though.
| rodgerd wrote:
| It appears that the Mozilla project is not just copying Chrome's
| look and feel for browser releases, but also copying Google's
| strategy of launching things and then abandoning them.
| ihaveajob wrote:
| Very annoying. I use Firefox, but I also loved Lockwise as a
| general password manager for other apps. What's the next best?
| someotherperson wrote:
| Lockwise was far from the best -- probably closer to the
| bottom. So literally anything else would probably work just as
| well.
|
| One of the best free (as in beer) password managers is
| Bitwarden.
| Yoric wrote:
| It is my understanding that Firefox itself will work as general
| password manager for other apps.
| OJFord wrote:
| Firefox > Settings > Logins & passwords > Autofill in other
| apps.
|
| Happy to discover this via another comment in this thread
| myself!
|
| Why oh why this isn't clearer (or mentioned at all for Android)
| in the PR I have no idea. It makes a scary/annoying thing
| tame/nothing.
|
| I suppose we missed the earlier 'deprecated, switch to this'
| memo?
| someotherperson wrote:
| Extremely happy about this. Mozilla has one job: building a
| browser. Half baked apps like Lockwise are a waste of everyone's
| time, including theirs. That's why they're failing _terribly_ at
| their one job.
|
| Hopefully we see more culling of similar products and so that the
| engineering budget can steer back towards building a better
| browser and hopefully working back towards having a decent slice
| of the market.
| ruined wrote:
| well that's a little annoying. apparently this was published a
| few days ago and i guess we just all got the email.
|
| they mention continued pm support for ios, but not android? is
| that discontinuing?
|
| edit: android pm support is integrated too
| schmorptron wrote:
| This sucks. From the outside, Mozilla management just seems
| incompetent, killing good product after good product while not
| launching anything worthwhile to replace them.
| schmorptron wrote:
| Whoops - appears I overreacted in this specific case, the
| feature just seems to be moving to the firefox app on Android,
| didn't catch that from the announcement.
| jdlshore wrote:
| Before everybody gets up in arms from the headline, they're just
| moving/keeping this feature into the Firefox browser. The article
| says:
|
| > Firefox for iOS will already sync your saved Lockwise
| passwords. You can currently only use those inside Firefox. Check
| back for updates in December 2021 on how to use Firefox for iOS
| as your system-wide password manager. [It's already there on
| Firefox for Android.]
| [deleted]
| kuschku wrote:
| The title should honestly be changed into something like
| "Firefox Lockwise integrated into Firefox, standalone version
| to be deprecated"
| trebcon wrote:
| Their messaging was pretty poor here imo. The email they sent
| me gave no clear indication that Firefox would have this
| ability in it's body.
| swdunlop wrote:
| Ditto. I came to HN after seeing the email, looking for the
| best way to migrate my passwords out of Lockwise.
|
| Well, still looking. They are outta here.
| thinkloop wrote:
| No-one seems to ever mention LastPass for some reason when
| this comes up. It's a complete solution, locally-encrypted,
| backed-up to the cloud, auto-fill, apps, all platforms,
| etc.
| ziddoap wrote:
| Not open-source, 3rd-party trackers in the android app,
| no easily accessible 3rd-party audits (that I can find),
| an unintuitive UI (no easy 1-button copy, clunky item
| entry*, etc.), and roughly 1 security incident every 1.5
| years.
|
| Are they the worst? No. Are there better ones? Yes.
|
| *The number of people at work which put their username in
| the URL field is astounding. We also have people saving
| personal passwords into shared folders without realizing
| it. This speaks to UI issues.
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| Keepass + your choice of file sync. Keepass's database has
| file-based locking so it's safe to sync just via
| filesystem.
|
| I like KeepassXC one Android and MacOS; Keepassium free-
| tier on iOS works great. On Android you can use syncthing,
| but syncthing doesn't work on iOS, so I use NextCloud to
| sync everything now.
| emaro wrote:
| For iOS I can also recommend Strongbox.
| anmipo wrote:
| For Syncthing on iOS there is Mobius Sync. However, it
| struggles with background updates (due to iOS
| restrictions).
| Firehawke wrote:
| Keepass2Android supports Dropbox, Onedrive, and a few
| other ways of direct sync. https://play.google.com/store/
| apps/details?id=keepass2androi...
|
| For Windows 10/11 users who use a MS account, put a
| portable copy of Keepass on OneDrive and it'll be there
| right after a fresh reinstall plus sign-in, and you can
| access it from the Android app using OneDrive sync built
| into K2A.
| kenniskrag wrote:
| Keepass2Android also supports webdav, http, ftp, sftp and
| nextcloud directly
| Spivak wrote:
| Bitwarden is my goto. If you're the selfhosting type
| bitwarden_rs (now vaultwarden) is free and easy to setup.
| If not BW's cloud hosting is also fine. Vaults work offline
| just fine, apps on every major platform, biometric unlock
| if you care about such things, and autofill on
| browsers/ios/android. And they have a snazzy officially
| supported CLI tool.
| ulimn wrote:
| And if you pay $10/year, it has 2FA as well. And you can
| add notes and such. It's definitely worth using (and
| paying imo).
| YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote:
| Wait so it lets you store your 2FA secrets and your
| password in the same place? That sounds counterintuitive.
| jfrunyon wrote:
| It's super useful for a few sites I visit frequently who
| require 2FA but I don't need that security. But yeah,
| otherwise it's a pretty remarkably bad idea.
| jonchang wrote:
| These are the first paragraphs of the email I got:
|
| > On December 13th 2021, the Firefox browser will be
| officially "resorbing" Firefox Lockwise. Don't worry, all
| your saved Lockwise passwords will still be available through
| the Firefox browser using a Firefox account.
|
| > The Firefox Lockwise app will no longer be updated and
| supported by Mozilla and will not be available in the Apple
| App and Google Play Stores. After that date, current Lockwise
| users can continue to access their saved passwords and their
| password management in the Firefox desktop and mobile
| browsers.
|
| It seems pretty clear-cut to me.
| jfrunyon wrote:
| Where does that say that it will autofill?
| OJFord wrote:
| If I got an email, I haven't read it yet. But I have seen
| this on the site via HN (make of that what you will...) and
| it's completely unclear. It says the functionality is
| coming to FF for iOS in December, but fails to mention that
| Android already has it (doesn't mention it at all) or if
| there are any differences at all to be aware of.
| vorticalbox wrote:
| i am not sure this is the same, lock wise let you fill in
| passwords on any application not just in the browser
| OJFord wrote:
| It's the same, I panicked at first then found the setting
| thanks to a fellow commenter. Search my name in this
| thread and I detailed it in response to someone else.
|
| Sibling says it's working in Nightly -- I'm using the
| regular stable release on Android and it's there. Haven't
| even updated it for a few weeks at least. (I just didn't
| know it existed before now, I was using Lockwise.)
|
| All in all it makes sense tbh - Lockwise used FF account
| and sync... Who would have one with synchronised data and
| _not_ be using FF on their phone (esp. Android) anyway?
| Vinnl wrote:
| It is the same; I'm using Firefox Nightly to prefill
| passwords in other apps.
| JoshTriplett wrote:
| I discovered recently that Firefox itself can work as a password
| manager on Android. I had Lockwise installed so that I could use
| Firefox saved passwords in other Android apps, and now it turns
| out Firefox can do that directly.
| kbenson wrote:
| The implication being that lockwise is discontinued because its
| use case has been subsumed by Firefox?
|
| If so, that's a thankful addendum to this announcement.
|
| Edit: yep, in settings, logins and passwords, there are two
| toggles, one to allow Firefox to fill in passwords for web
| pages, and one to allow Firefox to fill in passwords for other
| sites, which takes you to the Android password manager
| selection section.
| tfehring wrote:
| Yeah, and it sounds like the same will be true on iOS
| sometime in December. Not sure why they'd announce the
| discontinuation now instead of just waiting a few weeks until
| they have a drop-in replacement available, though I guess it
| is just for one platform.
| javajosh wrote:
| I use Lockwise but not for other apps. Does anyone know the
| details about how one app would fill in passwords for another
| on Android? That capability seems...powerful and dangerous.
| TrianguloY wrote:
| https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/text/autofill
|
| Basically: when you focus an input textbox Android asks the
| service for autocompletion, and then you can choose one of
| the options which is entered as if the user has typed it.
| The service already has the password, and the destination
| app can only get it when you select it (same as if you
| write it yourself).
|
| In the opposite scenario when you enter data in some inputs
| Android asks the service if it is interested in them (but
| without sending the content). If it does, it asks the user,
| and only when the user accepts the password/content is sent
| to the service.
|
| In any case, you need to explicitly choose if you want to
| use or change a service for this purpose, and only one can
| be enabled at any time.
| endemic wrote:
| I never used Lockwise because of this existing functionality in
| the main app.
| OJFord wrote:
| Oh awesome, thanks. That changes this submission from 'what agh
| no why' to 'ok meh no problem'(/'good'!) for me.
| morpheuskafka wrote:
| > Check back for updates in December 2021 on how to use Firefox
| for iOS as your system-wide password manager.
|
| It looks like they are working on integrating this functionality
| into the main Firefox apps, which makes more branding sense
| anyway. As it was the password management was just a feature of
| the browser on desktop, but a whole different product with its
| own brand name on mobile.
| jckahn wrote:
| What does this mean for iOS Lockwise users who use it as a
| system-level password manager? Will we be able to use Firefox for
| the same purpose?
|
| I had to switch back to Safari from Firefox on iOS because the
| latter had so many issues and missing features by comparison.
| Lockwise was the only solution from a developer I trust for
| syncing passwords between Ubuntu and iOS, and iCloud passwords
| are unavailable on Linux.
|
| I really hope iOS Firefox is updated to support system-level
| password management!
| jckahn wrote:
| It looks like iOS Firefox will be updated to backfill this
| functionality:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/r0kpke/lockwise_is...
|
| Thanks for looking out for us, Mozilla! :)
| vadfa wrote:
| TFA answers your question.
| jckahn wrote:
| Could you elaborate? I'm not sure what TFA stands for in this
| context. If you meant 2FA (two factor authentication), that
| doesn't solve the problem of managing passwords.
| azdle wrote:
| TFA = The F*cking Article, a version of RTFM, basically.
|
| > Note: Firefox for iOS will already sync your saved
| Lockwise passwords. You can currently only use those inside
| Firefox. Check back for updates in December 2021 on how to
| use Firefox for iOS as your system-wide password manager.
| jckahn wrote:
| Oh, I see that now. I could have sworn that wasn't there
| when I read the article initially? In any case, I'm glad
| iOS users will still have that functionality!
| [deleted]
| hadrien01 wrote:
| That's really a shame. I've installed Lockwise for my parents on
| iOS because it was the simplest way to use their Firefox
| passwords on the computer and on iOS devices. They don't need
| something as complicated as Bitwarden or Lastpass, just a simple
| password manager. Sure, I can install Firefox on their devices,
| but that's an icon more they won't understand.
|
| Can't say I didn't see it coming. Lockwise was full of bugs and
| hadn't been updated for quite some time.
| ghostly_s wrote:
| What's complicated about Lastpass/Bitwarden?
| crossroadsguy wrote:
| It's great that Mozilla is stopping something it's not at all
| good at and isn't its main strength.
|
| What is worse that it keeps doing such things - starting and then
| killing services one after another; and never learns. So in the
| end it's nothing great.
| pqb wrote:
| Very sad to see Lockwise being sunsetted. It provided good basis
| for new product that actually could be a competitor to 1password.
| However, I felt in guts it will have problem with traction,
| because it seemed too opinionated for me. I have noticed some
| people wanted to use Lockwise just like a password manager.
| However, by a long time it was a read-only client for Firefox
| Sync. No silly OTP calculator to cover Google Authenticator
| logic. It also didn't support custom Sync Servers, which made a
| bad taste for very advanced users. Mozilla is losing yet another
| niche, where Lockwise could be a profitable, open-source full-
| featured product.
| ksec wrote:
| I try to give Mozilla some benefits of doubt and wasted 5 min
| trying to search for an official note, PR , blog or something
| that provides more detail, in a simple and clear manner to
| explain the situation.
|
| They could have worded it as All Lockwise functions being
| integrated into Firefox, iOS version coming in December.
|
| Nope, this is it. Or may be it is me being dumb. But judging from
| some comments here this support document is extremely unclear.
|
| Which is very typical of modern day Mozilla.
| abnercoimbre wrote:
| Why is this so infuriatingly common with them? Is there a place
| for learning about their decision-making process? I'll take
| crumbs at this point to make some sense of it.
| ksec wrote:
| It is very common and typical of any organisation ( so not
| just Mozilla ) which are low in morale and dysfunctional,
| lacking real leadership and customer care.
|
| It is just human nature.
|
| Little sad writing this since I followed Firefox before it
| was called Firefox.
| [deleted]
| owaislone wrote:
| This is so so so sad. I use firefox as my main browser and
| lockwise was so much useful when I needed to log into something
| on my phone. Very disappointing.
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