[HN Gopher] The Network State in one sentence, one paragraph, an...
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The Network State in one sentence, one paragraph, and one page
Author : 1cvmask
Score : 23 points
Date : 2021-11-21 01:12 UTC (1 days ago)
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| Jeff_Brown wrote:
| Expropriation should be foremost in the mind of anyone who wants
| to invest in such a state. It would be easy enough for any state,
| particularly an unproductive one, to let you play with some land
| to start. It would be much harder, once it's successful, to keep
| them from redistributing it to the elites (or conceivably even
| the masses).
| [deleted]
| jrm4 wrote:
| A few posts ago, I mentioned how I'm not a fan of Learning
| Management Systems, because they try way too hard to shoehorn
| together a bunch of things into a cohesive whole, and as a result
| pretty much everything suffers.
|
| By extension....yikes. I'm sure there are aspects of this that we
| will see in the future, but trying to do this "top down" is
| laughable.
| SavantIdiot wrote:
| Every generation has their utopians, from the Pythagorean's vegan
| communes, to the US hippies in the 1970's. The only time massive
| change has happened relatively overnight has been revolution with
| enormous, unified support of an impoverished population, see:
| France.
|
| This is the latest incarnation of the the 1970's SF hippy commune
| ideology. In that it makes broad sweeping claims without many
| citations or substance beyond oversimplified truisms. I expect to
| see "BioSphereX- _Now with more crypto!_ " any day now, except
| without Steve Bannon (yes, he was actually involved in BioSphere
| 2 in the 80's).
| oh_sigh wrote:
| I looked up the Bannon connection you mentioned, and ran across
| another fun Bannon fact: He gets paid every time Seinfeld airs.
| His investment firm helped sell Castle Rock Entertainment to
| TBS back in the 90s, and as part of that deal he waived part of
| his advisory fees in lieu of partial royalties to some current
| TV shows, one of which was Seinfeld.
| pphysch wrote:
| If you have a "clear leader", that is, a trusted authority, why
| do you need a Bitcoin-esque cryptocurrency and other anarchic
| blockchain/DeFi/"Web3" technology? Just use a central database,
| man. Cut out the tremendously wasteful PoX nonsense. The
| President could even be the DBA-in-Chief.
|
| Some of these ideas of 21st century techno-nationalism are great,
| but falls short when trying to shoehorn $techfad into it.
| ben-ray wrote:
| Network states can fire their 'clear leader,' which is not true
| for all democracies.
|
| Centralizing the database introduces key trust vulnerabilities
| that can be eliminated in a decentralized trust-less system.
| pphysch wrote:
| No, "trust" cannot be eliminated. You can smear it around,
| like pretending that 51% attacks are impossible, or pretend
| that no one will ever put fraudulent data on the blockchain.
|
| Frankly, it's less trouble to trust a transparent central
| authority that can be held accountable rather than trust 100%
| of the population to always obey the rules.
| errantspark wrote:
| This is the fundamental truth that creates the isomorphism
| between cash and crypto, something a younger me didn't
| understand. Fundamentally there is no hard "truth" in a
| crypto system anymore than there is one in a fiat system.
| At the end of the day it's just one particular reification
| of a useful societal construct. Or to put it more
| succinctly:
|
| We live in a society.
| derekjdanserl wrote:
| That, and war is not only a real-life phenomenon but
| states are are nothing if not monopolies on violence
| relative only to empires. Competing with either is going
| to require either overtaking it or cooperating with it.
| The common case is both at the same time, i.e. a terrible
| plan that has failed before it began. And mere
| cooperation is not competition at all.
| jl6 wrote:
| In what sense are they describing a state, rather than a club (or
| corporation or society or whatever)? States acquire sovereignty
| through military violence.
| nice_byte wrote:
| yup. boggles my mind how one person can simultaneously
| understand that the aggression trumps non-aggression AND put
| their faith into "crypto-civizilation". any cryptography,
| regardless of how advanced it is, is utterly powerless in the
| face of simple techniques like thermorectal cryptoanalysis :-)
| sva_ wrote:
| What about Iceland? They have no military as far as I know.
|
| But yeah, the article seems very far "out there".
| drivingmenuts wrote:
| I can tell you why it won't work in one word: China.
|
| China wants centralized control and will use any means to achieve
| that in the long term. Even if you somehow bypass Western
| Democracies, China will always be lurking, ready to use physical
| means.
| xg15 wrote:
| ...aaand feudalism, here we are again...
| Traster wrote:
| I think this suffers from the same problem that most technology
| based proposals suffer from: it reinvents something that already
| exist.
|
| >First, form a social network around a clear leader, a proven
| centralized mechanism for dispute resolution in a decentralized
| world.
|
| Yay! Monarchy!
|
| >Since anyone can found a network state, just like anyone can
| found a tech company or cryptocurrency, the legitimacy of this
| leader comes from whether people have opted in to follow them.
|
| And if you don't like it, go off an invent facebook yourself!
|
| If you're tech-literate _surely_ you understand network effects
| and first mover advantage.
|
| Hell, why are you even centralizing at all, if the whole thing is
| centered around a decentralized blockchain? Why not decentralize
| adjudication (oh shit, I invented trial by a jury of your piers).
|
| I really wish people would focus on exploiting what technology
| does well, rather than focusing on re-implementing what we've
| already done, but worse. Local governance isn't great, but I
| suspect no one involved in this understands anything about the
| problems, hence why they spend no time thinking about how to
| solve them.
| nice_byte wrote:
| anything written by balajis can be safely ignored. guy's a loon.
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