[HN Gopher] Bloom/Lambda School requires applying to 460 jobs be...
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Bloom/Lambda School requires applying to 460 jobs before giving
tuition refund
Author : smitop
Score : 29 points
Date : 2021-11-16 20:09 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| niknoble wrote:
| If you never sign up for their school and just do the things
| required for the refund, you'll easily land a job.
| theGeatZhopa wrote:
| What??? 460 job applications? That's crazy man. I applied exactly
| one time and I shiver of thinking to applicate at some time
| again.. Is that proper practice with schools that take tuition
| fees?
| 908B64B197 wrote:
| I'm extremely skeptical of bootcamps, especially after learning
| that some of the TA's at Lambda are hired to help with teaching
| as little as two months into the program as students[0]. I guess
| that counts toward their "placement" stats!
|
| Not only that, but Lambda seems so desperate that they will offer
| a fresh grad at no cost to any company for a 4 week trial period.
| [1]
|
| I don't think I've seen a single hire out of a bootcamp work out
| in the end. Except a few cases where the person actually came
| from a STEM degree from a good school (and more crucially,
| already had some exposure to programming during the degree) but
| it's unclear to me that they actually needed the bootcamp and not
| just a good primer on modern software development and something
| like the Missing Semester [2] or a few classes at their school
| covering software engineering.
|
| [0] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/lambda-schools-
| job-p...
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| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25138610
|
| [2] https://missing.csail.mit.edu/
| CheezeIt wrote:
| Huh. You seem to like pasting the same comment a lot.
|
| https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
| Tenoke wrote:
| You can easily apply to 20 jobs a day at least in bigger cities
| (though the requirement here is just 10 a week for a longer
| period). It sounds like a lot on paper but it's really not that
| unreasonable and I fequently advise people to apply more if they
| don't get something after a mere 10 applications.
| chris11 wrote:
| I don't think you can sustainably send out 20 high quality
| applications a day. I think you should send emails or cover
| letters about why you are interested, and would be a good fit.
|
| Plus, finding opening where you are a good fit takes work,
| especially if you are a new grad.
| hellotomyrars wrote:
| Honestly sending out 20 applications a day sounds like a
| nightmare. There are sites where it's easy and simple but
| many companies still insist on using their own internal
| hiring software which is often a complete and total usability
| nightmare and if you actually want to fill things out you're
| going to be spending a long time repeating information from
| your resume in the format they desire. It sucks.
|
| I truly can not stand how shitty and annoying it is to fill
| these out. There are some circumstances where I understand it
| regarding security clearance/background checks but even then
| there are absurd cases of duplication. Admittedly I'm in a
| somewhat unique position of having lived in something like 10
| places in the last 7 years so it's especially bad but
| multiple government agencies I've applied with have required
| information that I've already sent at a different phase of
| hiring repeated again, and the USPS Postal Police background
| check site which is very similar to SF-86 is possibly the
| most user-hostile site to fill forms for.
|
| I could easily apply to 20 jobs, assuming they existed, via
| indeed in half an hour. But once a company requires you to go
| to their own site it can take half an hour to an hour to
| complete the process.
| pinewurst wrote:
| The fine print doesn't mandate that the applications be of
| high quality. You do the best you can with the one's that are
| "real" and cheese the rest, if you really think you're going
| to get your refund by doing so.
| minimaxir wrote:
| _And_ reach out to 460 people for professional networking. _And_
| 230 public commits on GitHub. _And_ various unspecified other
| criteria (which are present in the PDF linked by sandofsky,
| including always being available for interviews and job hunt
| audits).
| holonomically wrote:
| I guess they really want people to apply to a lot of jobs but
| 460 still seems like a very large number. If someone applied to
| 5 jobs a day (a very high estimate) then it would take them at
| least 3 months before they would be able to claim a refund.
| This is assuming they weren't doing anything else other than
| applying and interviewing.
| [deleted]
| MivLives wrote:
| I graduated from Lambda. I did... pretty much exactly that. I
| hit 250 applications total, did that five days a week, spent
| a sixth writing a medium article on the sixth, and the
| seventh I spent away from the computer. I targeted around 3
| jobs a day, and would do that first thing, any
| interviews/coding challenges I managed to get were right
| after.
|
| It was incredibly demoralizing, especially as I watched other
| people I knew get hired, or worse not get hired.
| smelendez wrote:
| GitHub is certainly gameable, but reaching out to 10 people a
| week for networking is ridiculous. Also, the requirement that
| you follow up with each job app by email/phone/text, which is
| almost never what employers want.
| jamesmishra wrote:
| I think it is a little harsh to set the tuition refund bar to be
| so high. On the other hand, if I had a friend who was rejected
| from 459 jobs, I would still advise them to keep applying. What
| else could I say?
|
| The more worrying part of the Tuition Refund Guarantee is where
| the student forfeits their right to a refund if they receive a
| job offer that they turn down. Many coding bootcamp students
| apply to companies with a serious red flag--such as startups that
| are about to run out of money. The student may only be able to
| see the red flag _after_ the company has given an offer, but if a
| student rejects a "red flag offer", they must assume they will
| never need a tuition refund.
| runnerup wrote:
| Related, I believe General Assembly's debt can only be discharged
| after 8 years of not finding any job that pays higher than
| $60,000(?). Notably, a $62,000/year job as the manager of a
| supermarket will count, and the number does not appear to be
| adjusted for inflation. So if inflation were (an admittedly eye-
| watering) 6% per year for the next 8 years, then any job
| equivalent to today's $37,700/year would prevent you from
| "escaping" the bootcamp debt.
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| Additionally, GA does not have control over the debt forgiveness,
| rather their underwriter (some financial institution) gets to
| make the final call...8 years from now.
| sandofsky wrote:
| For anyone else who wants to dig into the full terms and
| conditions: https://bloomtech-
| catalog.s3.amazonaws.com/Tuition%20Refund%...
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