[HN Gopher] Underdog no more, a deaf football team takes Califor...
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Underdog no more, a deaf football team takes California by storm
Author : danso
Score : 148 points
Date : 2021-11-15 15:08 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| gyc wrote:
| In high school, my school's basketball team went to play a
| basketball game at my state's high school for the deaf. A really
| interesting and unique experience.
| tzs wrote:
| The only potential problem I can see with a deaf team is that
| they would seem more likely to miss the referee stopping play.
| For example, a receiver for the non-deaf team fumbles a pass, a
| deaf player recovers and is running for the goal getting ready to
| try to plow through a couple opposing players who are in the way,
| and the ref blows their whistle to stop the play because the
| receiver did not have possession before fumbling so it was really
| just an incomplete pass.
|
| If the deaf player does not know the play has stopped they might
| still try to plow through those other players who did hear the
| whistle and are no longer ready to take a hit.
|
| The article says that the refs are asked to wave their arms
| around when stopping play in addition to the usual whistle blow,
| but that requires the player to be looking at the ref.
|
| In a pro stadium or top level amateur league stadium, where the
| whole damn field is going to be encircled by animated advertising
| at field level, it would be possible to make something that
| detects when the ref stops play and flashes "STOP PLAY!" in some
| hard to miss color scheme. That should be noticeable by any
| player who is still standing (and players who are not standing
| aren't going to cause problems if they miss play stopping).
| kerblang wrote:
| To the best of my recollection American Football does not wrap
| the playing field in animated ads like European Football/Soccer
| does. I assume that's partly because everybody just hates the
| idea for every possible reason...
|
| Noise can be a problem in really large stadiums and college/pro
| fans will sometimes successfully disrupt the opposing offense
| by making it too loud for them to hear each other in the
| huddle.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| > To the best of my recollection American Football does not
| wrap the playing field in animated ads like European
| Football/Soccer does. I assume that's partly because
| everybody just hates the idea for every possible reason...
|
| No, just that ground-level perimeter displays are too
| pedestrian for American football.
|
| https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29868399/sofi-stadium-
| vi...
| jaywalk wrote:
| The video board at SoFi (or any other NFL stadium) is not
| primarily used for ads. There are ribbon boards along each
| seating level of the stadium that _are_ primarily used for
| ads, which is much more similar to the European field-level
| ads.
| NobodyNada wrote:
| At least at the football games I've been to, the
| videoboards aren't primarily used for ads but to show score
| information, close-up camera shots, instant replays,
| gimmicks to hype up the crowd, etc. There's some
| advertising but it's usually in the form of the announcer
| saying "now let's watch the best plays of the year, brought
| to you by some random insurance company!" Most of the ads
| are old-fashioned paper billboards placed next to the
| videoboards, and not in distracting places like on the
| sidelines.
|
| Televised football is totally different -- the ads are
| absolutely _obnoxious_. But I guess if you actually buy a
| ticket then they 're incentivized to actually give you a
| good experience. Maybe NFL stadiums are worse than college
| stadiums, or maybe my school is just unusually pleasant, I
| don't know.
| bathtub365 wrote:
| Every few minutes they completely stop play to show televised
| and in-stadium big screen ads instead.
| dmonitor wrote:
| It's absolutely unbearable. Completely ruins the experience
| of going to a college football game when you have to stand
| on uncomfortable bleachers for four hours and play is
| stopped every 5 minutes for a 2 minute TV timeout.
| Eelongate wrote:
| Advertisers paying the TV companies don't want to compete
| with advertisers paying the stadiums. So they compromise; the
| ads in the stadiums are on the big screens, which the TV
| cameras don't focus on.
|
| Everybody in America gets pumped full of ads unless they
| really go out of their way to avoid it. Here is how I do it:
| No TV. No live sports, concerts, and I don't go to movie
| theaters. I live in a town restricts billboards (though this
| remains the chink in my anti-ad armor.) And of course the
| usual ublock origin,etc setup on my computer. I know it's
| working when people tell me about watching new movies I've
| never heard of. (If something gets enough recommendations
| from people I know, I might give it a try. The grapevine is a
| great crap filter.)
| Ajedi32 wrote:
| Maybe they could point some bright colored lights at the field
| and flash them when the play ends? That seems like a pretty
| low-budget way of achieving the same thing.
| chaoz_ wrote:
| Good point, what about asking ref to press some button when the
| foul is detected. Then, some small watch could vibrate and
| notify a player. Sounds like a simple enough idea to implement.
| Kalium wrote:
| I am reminded of when the NHL tried to use a wirelessly
| trackable puck. It worked until the tech involved wasn't up
| to the rigors of being slapped around by professional hockey
| players.
|
| In the same vein, I have some doubts about the ability of a
| watch to stand up to the forces at play on the field.
| JackFr wrote:
| I played football in college against Gallaudet University
| (which is a school for the deaf.) They used a very large drum
| (6 ft diameter) on the sideline for their snap count as well as
| whistle plays dead.
|
| But referees warned us that they were not going call late hits
| on the other team unless they were egregious and that we should
| keep aware on the field and protect ourselves accordingly.
| singlow wrote:
| Texas also has a very successful football team at the Texas
| School for the Deaf. They play in a 6-man league (the team in the
| article plays 8-man) but they are 8-1 this year and leading their
| district heading for the playoffs.
|
| I attended one of their games this year, which happened to be the
| one they lost, against my nephew's team. The quietness of the
| game was what stood out to me the most. Of course our team was
| making noise and our fans were doing the usual cheering. The
| cheerleaders and fans even tried to "make a lot of noise" on
| third down, I guess out of habit, because it made no difference,
| except to get our defense excited I suppose. But the only noise
| from the other side was a big drum or canon that they used which
| I suppose the deaf players could feel the sound of to set some
| timings.
|
| https://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/texas-school-for-the-d...
| sweetheart wrote:
| I started reading a new book today, "Beasts of Burden" by Sunaura
| Taylor, which talks about the parallels between the fight for
| rights for the disabled and the fight for animal rights. The
| first chapter or so serves as an introduction to what disabled
| rights means, and what it feels like to be disabled in an ableist
| world, and the author talks about a cliche in disabled culture
| which is "super crip", in which we are astonished and inspired by
| someone with a disability doing something that we deem impossible
| or difficult for a disabled person, like getting married, or
| climbing a mountain.
|
| Serious question, because I'm genuinely curious and don't know,
| but is an article like this just the same tired cliche? I'm
| curious to hear from others where the line is drawn between being
| a positive and helpful representation of what life can be for
| someone who is disabled, and being condescending because we're
| surprised deaf folks can be good at football.
| mwcampbell wrote:
| What I find annoying, as a (partially) blind person, is when
| people say I'm inspirational because I'm good at something
| where my disability isn't even a factor. For example, one time
| I did karaoke at a bar where I had never been before, and while
| I was singing my first song, a guy was saying stuff like, "guy
| is blind, that's awesome... this guy is inspirational". (I know
| this because he posted a video on Facebook, which got back to
| me via a friend.) So, I'm inspiring because I'm blind because I
| can sing? How does that make sense? "Blind musician" is such a
| stereotype, I figured the reaction would be more like, "he's
| blind; of course he can sing."
| mintplant wrote:
| > So, I'm inspiring because I'm blind because I can sing? How
| does that make sense?
|
| Best I can think of is that--since this was karaoke--maybe
| they were impressed that you didn't need to read the lyrics
| off the screen? Assuming the bar didn't have an accessible
| alternative to the teleprompter.
| mwcampbell wrote:
| Yeah, I guess that could be it. And no, I'm not aware of
| any accessible option for karaoke lyrics. But as I like to
| say, real performers have been memorizing their songs for
| thousands of years.
| zachrip wrote:
| This really makes me think about myself. Misattribution is
| probably the most annoying thing. I didn't get far in the
| software industry in spite of my loss of vision or hearing (in
| fact it was my vision declining that made me focus on computers
| and to quit sports). On the other hand, I'm decent at
| competitive shooters despite my disabilities. So sometimes it's
| just like "why are we talking about my disability, it has
| nothing to do with this." Sometimes we want to be celebrated
| for just the "normal" amazing things, and especially things our
| abled peers couldn't achieve (or maybe I just hold myself to
| way too high of standard).
| tmnstr85 wrote:
| My youngest daughter has CP and global traumatic brain injury
| from bacterial meningitis at birth. Its a brutal as it sounds.
| She is 2.5 and knows about 60 signs. This article warmed my heart
| and brought tears to my eyes. Two thoughts: 1. Loneliness is
| real. Special needs children are often overlooked. Take the time
| to recognize them, let them know they are seen. 2. Someone should
| fund a jumbotron for this school.
| LanceH wrote:
| My kids are involved with wrestling and the sport is generally
| all about getting more people involved in anyway possible.
| There are rules for the deaf to allow a translator to walk
| around the outside of the mat to sign. There are rules for the
| blind that require contact be maintained throughout the match.
| Amputees are not unheard of and sometimes present major
| challenges since missing a leg might bring a seriously stronger
| person down a couple weight classes.
|
| Nothing really to say about this article other than I'm happy
| they're able to get out there and play. I just wanted to point
| out a sport that seems to be doing it right at the national
| level, not just one instance.
| fouc wrote:
| Are they still using audiotoxic medicine that burns the cochlea
| hairs to deal with bacterial meningitis?
|
| i.e. is she deaf from medicine? or from the meningitis?
| temp8964 wrote:
| Their major advantage is that they can communicate through sign
| language. I am just curious through, how hard is it for other
| teams to develop a sign language to take advantage in this
| aspect, if they really focus on it? I mean basically this is just
| a trade off, i.e. relocating training time from other practice to
| the sign language.
| notesinthefield wrote:
| Many teams at all levels already do depending on how they
| structure play and defensive calling. I was an offensive
| lineman and linebacker through high school and college - our
| line coach used hand signals for blocking schemes and the OC
| had 2 different signals he used to indicate which plays should
| be used from our wrist list. Linebackers communicated changes
| to defensive backs and safeties with hand signals based on what
| we saw lineman do or changes we head from the QB.
| anonAndOn wrote:
| Not hard at all. Baseball, from juniors to the majors, also
| uses sign language.
| Isthatablackgsd wrote:
| > Not hard at all. Baseball, from juniors to the majors, also
| uses sign language.
|
| This need additional contexts. Deaf communities use Signed
| Languages in baseball. Outside of Deaf communities, they are
| not sign language. Language by definition requires grammar
| structure, cultural information, foundation of linguistic,
| etc.
|
| They are using pidgin is the word you are looking for.
| Baseball use pidgins, they don't use sign languages. It is an
| important distinctive because one is actual language and
| other are not.
| anonAndOn wrote:
| In the context of play calling, it matters not. Both are
| terse, coded messages that may or may not resemble ASL.
| supportlocal4h wrote:
| The vast majority of USians I know do not speak proper
| English. Nor do they follow the rules of English taught at
| any of the US schools I attended. Many people fight against
| this. Others embrace it. You might say that these people
| speak pidgin. I say it is their native language.
| Isthatablackgsd wrote:
| > I know do not speak proper English. Nor do they follow
| the rules of English taught at any of the US schools I
| attended.
|
| It is not because of people fighting against it. It just
| that English is damn complicated and not easily to be an
| expert on it. Written and Spoken English does not have
| the same discourse style. There are times when I thought
| I structured it correctly and turns out it not. I am
| natural-born American and English is my first/second
| language (ASL is my first). Even English native speakers
| struggles with it than non-native English user.
| peter422 wrote:
| In professional (and hearing) football and baseball hand
| signals are used as well. Security through obscurity mostly
| works fine. The teams generally change the meaning of the
| signals from game to game or even play to play, and it mostly
| keeps the defense from knowing what the signals mean.
|
| In this context _if_ the other team did happen to have somebody
| who could interpret the signals quickly enough, it would be
| pretty easy for the players to just have a few codes which
| change the meaning of the signals. And of course you can just
| agree what codes mean what in the huddle or the sideline where
| the other team can't see.
| hutzlibu wrote:
| "it would be pretty easy for the players to just have a few
| codes which change the meaning of the signals."
|
| At some point, though, you might confuse your own team more,
| than the other team, so I would keep it simple, especially if
| we are talking about a sport, that involves banging heads
| together.
| dfxm12 wrote:
| I don't know if the article makes this clear, but it if they
| are just using ASL, the benefit there is that they've been
| communicating via ASL their whole lives and understand it
| "natively". It's also a language that was refined over time to
| communicate things quickly and concisely.
|
| Other teams do develop their own language, with both verbal and
| hand signal components. However, I'm not sure high school
| football coaches are necessarily adept at making new languages,
| sure maybe it is good enough for what they're doing, but is it
| as robust as ASL or English? Of course not. Then, the players
| need to take time to learn it, if they ever even fully grasp
| it. Then, the players will come and go, so once a senior, who
| probably fully gets it leaves, the coach is left with a bunch
| of new players they have to teach - for this reason, the
| language is hard to refine. For all of these reasons, the team
| using their native language has an edge in communication.
|
| This is probably better at the pro level since a player on each
| side has a direct line in their helmet from the coaches and the
| players stick around long enough to master the new language.
|
| Overall, though, I think this line in the article is
| downplayed: The coach _attributes the turnaround to rigorous
| conditioning and an especially talented cohort of players, some
| of whom have played together for years at lower levels._ It 's
| a great human interest story to talk about turning a perceived
| disadvantage into an advantage, but it sounds like, deaf or
| not, this particular group of players shows great teamwork and
| a great work ethic.
| supportlocal4h wrote:
| Most football coaches have the option of using "robust"
| English (or some other robust language). Nobody sees it as an
| advantage.
| dfxm12 wrote:
| Yeah, it's not advantageous because if you're a QB on the
| line and communicate to your WRs in English, the secondary
| will understand it, too.
| Isthatablackgsd wrote:
| Deaf person here and attended that high school. I was surprised
| to see my high school in the news.
|
| The team can learn sign language if they prefers or they can
| use pidgin. Pidgin is a simplified form of the communication to
| convey it. Pidgin itself is not a language, it is more of
| jargon in a sense. Pidgin is very common uses outside of Deaf
| communities.
|
| Baseball use call signs, and that is pidgin. Crane operators
| have their hand signs, that is pidgin too! Same for military,
| they use pidgin. Pidgin is easier to learn than sign language
| as it can be simple handshape or call sign, similarly to emoji
| in a way. Sign language requires efforts and you will be
| surprised to find thousand muscles you never thought you used
| before.
| SideburnsOfDoom wrote:
| > The team can learn sign language if they prefers or they
| can use pidgin... it is more of jargon in a sense.
|
| I assumed that it was like a Battle Language
| https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_Language
| bin_bash wrote:
| Is that technically pidgin? I thought pidgin was a simplified
| version of language used expressly for communication between
| speakers that don't understand each other. Is it still pidgin
| if neither one understands full sign language?
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| Technically, I think it is pidgin. They have no common
| (sign) language, so they have come up with a scheme for
| communication that isn't a language.
| Isthatablackgsd wrote:
| If the Deaf team are using sign language to communicate
| with each other, then no it is not pidgin because American
| Sign Language is a language. Pidgin is a lingua franca like
| Gestuno (International Sign) and Esperanto.
|
| EDIT: If you are talking about Deaf Team and Hearing Team
| (people with hearing ability for those folk who are not
| familiar with Deaf communities jargon) attempt to
| communicate with each other without sign language, then yes
| it can be a pidgin. If the Deaf Team itself communicating
| with their teammates, then it is not a pidgin because they
| switch to their native language to express.
| JackFr wrote:
| > Their major advantage is that they can communicate through
| sign language.
|
| I read the article and I played football against Gallaudet in
| college, and I fail to see how that is an advantage at all. We
| came the line of scrimmage and our quarterback announced the
| play we were running and on the line we would verbally agree on
| the pass blocking scheme. "I've got 64, you take 73 cause it
| doesn't look like the linebacker is coming."
|
| I suspect they're succeeding because they're well coached, very
| fit and physically talented. And while their deafness is no
| real liability I don't see it as an advantage.
| guerrilla wrote:
| Hmmf, my college roommate was on this team. I'm not surprised.
| They were pretty serious.
| apeace wrote:
| I am a hearing person. Me and some friends have made learning ASL
| one of our hobbies over the last couple years. I highly recommend
| it, it's very fun! It also opens a window into the deaf world
| that I find really fascinating.
|
| There is a joke in the deaf world that hearing people are
| emotionally repressed. I don't think it's taken seriously, but
| it's because speaking ASL requires you to be so expressive with
| your face and body. For example, instead of raising the pitch of
| your voice to indicate you are asking a question, you raise or
| furrow your eyebrows (raised for a yes/no question, furrowed for
| an open-ended question). You also don't say things like "I REALLY
| like it", you just say "I like it" and show the REALLY part with
| your face and body. It's understandable how hearing people could
| look like a bunch of emotionless drones with that context!
| Learning to be visually expressive is one of the most fun parts
| about ASL.
|
| As with the football team in the article, using ASL around
| hearing people can feel like a super-power. Imagine saying to
| your friend, "This place sucks, let's get out of here," while the
| bartender is right in front of you! Probably not the most polite
| thing, but useful. It's also great if you're somewhere crowded
| and/or loud. You can really zone out the noise and have a
| conversation.
|
| Also, doing simple things like spelling people's names can be a
| fun party trick (for hearing people).
|
| Anyway, I just wanted to emphasize that as a hearing person,
| there was so much more to learn about ASL and the deaf community
| than I thought there was. I can't recommend it enough.
| zucked wrote:
| My spouse (hearing) spent some time immersed in the Deaf
| community and the learnings she got from just scratching the
| surface was really eye opening. All of what you said is true -
| there's no use for many of english adjectives because body
| language tells it equally as effectively.
|
| The Deaf community was way more nuanced and interesting than I
| expected. ASL is a _really_ cool language and it 's fun and
| relatively easy to learn.
| DoneWithAllThat wrote:
| What is a "hearing person"?
| mosen wrote:
| A person that can hear.
| DoneWithAllThat wrote:
| So then someone who isn't deaf? Why not just say that?
| apeace wrote:
| Yes, someone who isn't deaf. "Hearing" or "hearing
| person" is the vernacular used in the deaf community. It
| can be important to establish depending on the context.
| In this case I wanted to make it clear that I was
| learning ASL despite not being deaf.
| michaelpb wrote:
| Are you asking for writing tips? I'm not OP, but for one
| "someone who isn't deaf" is 4 words and has a complex
| structure while "hearing person" is 2 words and has a
| simple structure, and thus is more effective writing.
|
| It seems strange to me to suggest more complicated
| structures to replace simpler ones! Is there another
| reason to use the more complicated structure?
| [deleted]
| RavingGoat wrote:
| Can you see or are you nonblind?
| [deleted]
| moffkalast wrote:
| A red hearing.
| Overtonwindow wrote:
| Wow! I've heard of players in sport getting into the "zone" where
| they no longer hear anything around them, they're just charging
| down the field, 100% focused. When the coach said that "deaf
| players have heightened visual senses that make them more alert
| to movement," I thought of that. Because one sense is cut off,
| their focus is less distracted.
| waltbosz wrote:
| I read that at the start of COVID when sports teams were still
| playing games in empty stadiums, there were no screaming
| audiences, and the players reported better focus on the game.
|
| I wonder if the deaf team has an advantage in that regard.
| steve76 wrote:
| It's wrong to emphasize high school sports. Leave kids alone
| please. The real role of it is to keep bullies under control and
| give them a chance at a college degree. The one factor in winning
| is age of roster. Fill the team up with 19 year olds like drop
| outs and truants. How can't they loose? They go on and get
| destroyed in college or the pros. The people there are the ones
| who have been passed over and have a chip on their shoulder. The
| higher you go, it's not about skill. It's about willingness to be
| ground up and grotesquely distorted.
| dnautics wrote:
| Amazing that the article doesn't contain some (IMO) important and
| interesting historical context: The football huddle was invented
| at Gallaudet, so that other teams couldn't read sign language
| pre-play discussions.
| gowld wrote:
| It's a feel-good human-interest story; not meant to be
| accurate. It doesn't investigate any of the claims made as to
| why the team is successful.
|
| > Mr. Adams, who coached the team for two seasons starting in
| 2005 and began his second stint four years ago, attributes the
| turnaround to rigorous conditioning and an especially talented
| cohort of players, some of whom have played together for years
| at lower levels.
|
| Seems the most likely explanation, since sign language isn't a
| new innovation for deaf football players. The rest is just
| "since the team is good, it is a hook to talk positively about
| deafness.
| frogpelt wrote:
| I think you nailed it.
|
| It's awesome that they have overcome what others perceive as
| a disability. And in this case, they might have actually
| turned it into an advantage. But make no mistake, the reason
| they are beating people is because they are good at football,
| not because they are deaf.
| dnautics wrote:
| well no? Line-of-sight communication with zippy sign
| language is not distance dependent, or as dependent on
| environmental audio considerations (jamming). Incidentally,
| I have always wondered why naval ship-to-ship communication
| isn't with a LOS tight beam laser -- unjammable and
| uninterceptable. Conceivably, a football team could learn
| to adapt by physically blocking line-of-sight between QB
| and receiver but it's too niche. Same goes for reading sign
| language.
|
| If indeed they are winning because they have a
| communication advantage (which is and always has been in
| american football), true it is not _strictly_ because they
| are deaf, because any other team could learn to use a
| similar system, but let 's be real. It's because they are
| deaf, fluency especially at a high speed takes near-zero
| effort.
| rackjack wrote:
| This reminds me of how left-handed boxers generally have
| an advantage over their opponents.
| dmoy wrote:
| The same is true in fencing.
|
| Though it's mostly because fencing (or boxing) a lefty as
| a righty is unusual enough that you have less practice
| doing it. While the lefty pretty much _only_ fences (or
| boxes) against righties. It boils down entirely to
| comfort. Someone with a good lefty in their club /team
| that they regularly practice against won't have much
| difficulty with it.
|
| What's _really_ funny, by the way, is watching two
| lefties fence against each other when neither of them
| have a second really good lefty to practice against. It
| just looks... awkward.
|
| Of course then you get to a high enough level and it's
| 100% footwork, and the lefty/right bit mostly stops
| mattering.
| philsnow wrote:
| Line of sight / laser is restricted by the curvature of
| the earth but VHF can go (a bit?) farther.
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| > _Incidentally, I have always wondered why naval ship-
| to-ship communication isn 't with a LOS tight beam laser
| -- unjammable and uninterceptable._
|
| You have to aim it. Ships on water don't stay still, fog
| and rain exist, etc..
| dnautics wrote:
| seriously? It's 2021. Maybe there's something I'm
| missing, but it shouldn't be hard to track and aim a 30cm
| object at 100 m with a laser that is moving +/- 5-10
| meters at a speed of 5m/s
|
| Fog though, yeah. I get that one.
| WastingMyTime89 wrote:
| There is something you are missing obviously. Naval
| engineers are not dumb.
|
| > it shouldn't be hard to track and aim a 30cm object at
| 100 m with a laser that is moving +/- 5-10 meters at a
| speed of 5m/s
|
| Boats don't move only in one direction. They have side-
| way vibrations along the three special axis and
| constantly rotate along two. The 100m is extremely close
| for two boats and I think you don't realise what a heavy
| sea looks like (understandable if you have never been far
| from shore). Navigating in nine meters high waves is not
| exceptional for a military boat. You are constantly
| losing line of sights with distant boats.
|
| Keeping a laser on something fast is doable (that's part
| of what an optical targeting system does) but staying
| fixed on a small receiver gets tricky. I don't think the
| win in bandwidth and latency justifies the hassle which
| is why I don't believe ship-to-ship laser communication
| will ever happen. Ship-to-space however, that wouldn't
| surprise me.
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| The higher the tech, the more that can go wrong.
| dnautics wrote:
| navy doesn't seem to care (see USS Ford)
| adventured wrote:
| The US Navy has a lot of active carriers and few
| superpower-scale threats, so they're taking an
| opportunity to experiment (USS Ford) and can afford to do
| it (for now). It seems like the right thing to do while
| they can. Ford is the largest warship ever constructed,
| it's not very surprising they might have problems with a
| new class.
| mbreese wrote:
| Not to mention the horizon limiting communication to
| those ships that are close enough. Naval warfare doesn't
| take place between ships that can see each other anymore,
| so one needs to be able to communicate over the horizon
| anyway, so why bother to have two systems?
| hutzlibu wrote:
| " Incidentally, I have always wondered why naval ship-to-
| ship communication isn't with a LOS tight beam laser --
| unjammable and uninterceptable."
|
| Because they do not work when there is mist, which is
| quite often the case at sea and also I can imagine, it is
| a nontrivial issue of aligning them, when both ends are
| constantly moving, due to waves and cruising direction.
|
| Also it might give the position away, if you power up the
| beam to counter humidity.
|
| In some cases, it might be beneficial, though.
| dymk wrote:
| TFA discusses how being deaf might have helped the players
| strategically in conjunction with good conditioning and
| coaching.
| danso wrote:
| Ironically, the California team is described as not needing to
| huddle -- which makes sense since their opponents presumably
| don't know ASL
|
| > _Many teams try to use hand signals to call in plays, but
| they are no match for the Cubs, who communicate with a flurry
| of hand movements between each play. No time is wasted by
| players running to the sidelines to get an earful from the
| coaching staff. No huddle is needed._
| jaywalk wrote:
| I highly doubt the plays are called using ASL. They've
| probably come up with their own sign language for that.
| eightysixfour wrote:
| Much like football plays for the hearing, they're probably
| using numbers, metaphors, and "random" words to describe
| the plays. No need to come up with their own sign language.
| danso wrote:
| Non-paywall link:
| https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/us/riverside-california-d...
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