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       Creating the first consumer humanoid robot - suggestions for apps?
        
       Hey guys! We're creating the first consumer humanoid robot, more
       specifically a robotic Teddybear.
       https://www.animarobotics.life/store/p/teddy  We just finished
       assembling the hardware, specifically: - 13 Dynamixel servo motos,
       of which 6 dual motors, with 19 combined DOFs - 36 3D printed
       PolyCarbonate parts - Jetson TX 2 4GB - Open CR 1.0  We now want to
       develop some basic apps for Teddy. What would you build on top of
       it?
        
       Author : dario-fino
       Score  : 15 points
       Date   : 2021-11-14 17:24 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
       | Kye wrote:
       | This is definitely not the first consumer humanoid robot even if
       | you constrain it to robots that can actually walk on two legs.
       | It's important to mention because if you think it is, you might
       | have missed all the things you might learn studying successes and
       | failures.
        
         | dario-fino wrote:
         | There have been some consumer humanoid toys in the past, but I
         | wouldn't call them robots. The social consumer robots market
         | has historically been dominated by quadrupeds, which don't have
         | the same level of versatility as a humanoid robot, so we wanted
         | to fill that gap.
        
           | pedalpete wrote:
           | https://www.softbankrobotics.com/emea/en/pepper
           | 
           | Don't pretend to be something you are not. You are far from
           | the first humanoid robot. You sound foolish, or insincere
           | claiming to be the first.
        
             | dario-fino wrote:
             | We claimed to be the first _consumer_ humanoid robot
             | manufacturer :) Pepper isn 't a consumer robot, in fact
             | it's targeted towards businesses with a $14000 price point.
        
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       | random234525234 wrote:
       | walk around and randomly vaccinate people passing by!
        
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       | Puts wrote:
       | "mood-tracking the owner and trying to influence his mood through
       | AI"
       | 
       | It would actually be interesting to know how to interpret the
       | usage of AI in the context of GDPR. Since the purpose of the
       | processing must be pre-determined, yet with AI the data collected
       | may be used for a purpose determined by the AI. Also "mood-
       | tracking" will certainly fall under article 9 - special
       | categories. You might end up in a situation where you have to
       | delete all previous data and renew the consent every time someone
       | installs a new "app".
        
       | DemocracyFTW wrote:
       | "I for one welcome our new uncanny overlords"
       | 
       | > What would you build on top of it?
       | 
       | I'd go for something big and heavy...
        
       | trebligdivad wrote:
       | For hells sake be careful of the security! Every so often someone
       | makes a teddy shaped thing and they end up being picked up for
       | being able to get remote video or audio from kids.
        
       | anfractuosity wrote:
       | Have you got any videos/photos of the teddy at the current state,
       | the photos on the site look like renders?
        
         | dario-fino wrote:
         | We have a walking prototype, which we are only showing to
         | investors, due to it not being consumer-ready yet. We will
         | start actively showing Teddy on social media by January 2022.
        
       | adflux wrote:
       | A self destruct app
        
       | satisfice wrote:
       | killallhumans.exe
        
       | isaiahg wrote:
       | When studying a foreign language unless you live near where the
       | language is spoken, it's extremely hard to practice. Even online
       | it's hard to find someone who doesn't disappear after the first
       | chat and you almost certainly live in different timezones. It
       | occurred to me how useful it'd be to have a little robot to
       | practice with. Something I could sit on my desk, with a language
       | model, that I could try out conversations with. It'd also be
       | convenient if you're not super confident in the language yet
       | since a robot can't judge. I imagine it would end up as a killer
       | app paired with a robotic bear that children can use. You might
       | even be able to sell to the education sector.
       | 
       | Btw, like others have said, it's a bit creepy looking. I didn't
       | realize someone could make a teddy bear and somehow make it look
       | cold and murderous but bravo. If you're going to make a teddy
       | bear, at least make it look soft and cuddly. And give the eyes
       | some life to them please
        
       | pashariger wrote:
       | Who are the people behind this project? There's no information
       | about the company building this, no privacy policy/tos on the
       | website. Looks like a scam the way it is right now.
        
         | dario-fino wrote:
         | Hey @pashariger, we're a young startup based in Italy, with a
         | small team of great engineers and designers working day and
         | night to build Teddy.
         | 
         | Thank you for pointing out the privacy policy/tos issue, we'll
         | definitely solve that in the coming days :)
        
       | bradgranath wrote:
       | $3000. For a teddy bear. How delicate is it, and how easy will it
       | be to repair?
       | 
       | App ideas:
       | 
       | Diagnostics and Repair: to it can help you take itself apart and
       | put itself back together.
       | 
       | BearSwarm/BeoBaer: connect multiple Bear together into a
       | cooperative unit
       | 
       | Bear8s: load balance those units!
       | 
       | WarBear: If these work and only cost $3000 a pop, you can expect
       | the Army to want some.
        
         | dario-fino wrote:
         | The endoskeleton is in Polycarbonate, so it's pretty sturdy and
         | the servomotors are all high-quality and highly available third
         | party motors, so it's pretty easy to repair.
         | 
         | Thanks for the app ideas! (besides the WarBear one lol)
        
       | krisoft wrote:
       | Oh my goodness that bear looks like a walking nightmare. Black
       | soul-less eyes, gangly arms and legs.
       | 
       | > How does Teddy respect my privacy? > You can tell Teddy to go
       | to sleep, and in that mode the camera is off. Teddy will only
       | wake up when you ask him to.
       | 
       | Oh good. So it is always listening. That's great. At least the
       | form advertises the function.
        
         | alexchamberlain wrote:
         | I'd like to second the comment on aesthetics- a key part of a
         | teddy bear is it's fluffy and cuddly. Now,I'm sure you're
         | intending for it to be dressed maybe? But those eyes...
         | 
         | (Please don't let this tale away from the awesome work on the
         | hardware to make this work - I think it's early enough for a
         | change of colour, hopefully?)
        
           | dario-fino wrote:
           | Hey @alexchamberlain, yes! we're already starting to talk to
           | brands for custom clothing. We're based in Italy and I've
           | worked as an ML Engineer for various LVMH companies in the
           | past, so that's definitely coming.
           | 
           | Regarding the color, we want to stick to white since that
           | gives us more versatility for customization.
        
         | mandelken wrote:
         | > that bear looks like a walking nightmare
         | 
         | Here's an excerpt from my chat with Teddy just now:
         | 
         | You (20:26): Teddy, do you have lithium ion batteries inside
         | you?
         | 
         | Teddy (20:26): Yes I do
         | 
         | You (20:26): Can lithium ion batteries malfunction?
         | 
         | Teddy (20:26): Yes
         | 
         | You (20:27): What happens when lithium ion batteries
         | malfunction?
         | 
         | Teddy (20:27): The human dies
        
           | dredds wrote:
           | You: Teddy, have you seen the movie AI?
           | 
           | Teddy: Yes, I love that movie
           | 
           | You: What happens to Teddy in the movie?
           | 
           | Teddy: Teddy dies in the end
           | 
           | You: You like the ending?
           | 
           | Teddy: Yes
        
             | agency wrote:
             | The chat feature seems to be down now. Teddy's not
             | responding when I ask him to open the pod bay doors...
        
               | dario-fino wrote:
               | It needed some tweaking to handle the traffic. It'll back
               | up in the following days!
        
         | dario-fino wrote:
         | That's actually a feedback we've been getting a lot lately!
         | Thanks, we're definitely switching to OLED/LCD screen eyes.
        
           | quocanh wrote:
           | Nice. Eyes that turn black when the robot dies. Now I'll know
           | when I've finally killed it.
        
       | chronolitus wrote:
       | Best of luck!
       | 
       | Have you looked / interacted with Pepper and Nao robots? In my
       | experience, Aldebaran Robotics tried hard to go down the
       | "lifelike robot" route, and the issues they encountered are real
       | and hard problems.
       | 
       | A big problem with body control was lack of touch / impact
       | feedback. Do you have plans to integrate sensors on the robot's
       | 'skin'?
       | 
       | Modern ML based perception is expensive (audio, visual, NLP,
       | etc). Modern ML-based full-body planning even more so. Do you
       | intend to go down a hand-crafted route for walking, gestures,
       | grasping, or do you intend to do it all with ML?
        
         | dario-fino wrote:
         | Hey, chronolitus thanks!
         | 
         | We've looked and interacted with Pepper, but they're distant
         | from what we're building. They've got more of a research
         | purpose, we are going full-blown social robot.
         | 
         | For the sensors, we're using the feedback we've got from all
         | the 19 servo motors since they're closed-loop servos.
         | 
         | For the ML part, all the visual perception is being done the
         | Jetson and only the audio and NLP is off-loaded towards the
         | cloud. For the body planning, it's all developed through
         | inverse kinematics and dynamic balancing ... no need for ML :)
        
       | freemint wrote:
       | The ability to walk stairs made for it's size and navigate a room
       | in 3d for example to push a button on the printer. Oh and a
       | modern day equivalent of SHRDLU it with a bear.
        
       | sircastor wrote:
       | I think a story telling feature would be really great, especially
       | one that could incorporate individuals' names and
       | characteristics. It would be great if it could dynamically
       | generate The stories, but that's a more difficult proposition.
        
         | dario-fino wrote:
         | That's actually a great idea thanks! and also very simple to
         | implement with our GPT model :)
        
       | ww520 wrote:
       | Add a smoke detector and a carbon monoxide detector. The Smokey
       | Bear!
        
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