[HN Gopher] Red Snapper Filet Might Have Been Caught by Drug Run...
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Red Snapper Filet Might Have Been Caught by Drug Runners
Author : Amorymeltzer
Score : 38 points
Date : 2021-11-12 12:01 UTC (2 days ago)
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| sweetheart wrote:
| So much of the article explains how US seas are being illegally
| fished by Mexican lancheros because Mexican waters have already
| been so overfished. The article also mentions some of the pretty
| terrible effects of this overfishing that we are starting to see
| in the Gulf, like sharks being caught in nets, which really
| throws the food chain out of whack (after all, nets catch
| everything, not just the snapper).
|
| I wonder when people will start to realize that these terrible
| things happen, and will get worse, as long as people choose to
| eat fish. There is nothing in fish that the human body requires
| (or can't get elsewhere), so we do it only because we like the
| taste.
|
| We are willing to let ecosystems collapse, drug cartels profit,
| and issues with the ocean continue to worsen because we want to
| taste fish.
|
| It's hard to argue that's a reasonable exchange.
| pibechorro wrote:
| Fish is one of the healthiest food you can eat, take your diet
| agenda elsewhere. The problem here is our role in the
| ecosystem, which is extractive and not in harmony. The main
| culprit is land locked people eating far away foods, its not
| sustainable. Everything should be optimized for local, in
| season consumption. Imported food aught to be a treat, not a
| staple.
| alisonkisk wrote:
| This makes no sense. If landlocked people moved to the coast,
| that would solve your "local" problem but not fix overfishing
| at all. And if fish is so important to eat, landlocked people
| mustn't be deprived of it.
|
| You are conflating transportation costs with nutrition and
| getting a meaningless argument.
|
| Take your local agenda elsewhere.
| BrianOnHN wrote:
| This comment is spot on.
|
| Furthermore, this year alone, I've seen _megatons_ of dead
| fish wash up within a week because of a single
| phosphorus(fertilizer) dump into the gulf.
|
| So to reiterate, eating fish isn't the problem. The current
| human role in our ecosystem, is.
| sweetheart wrote:
| There is remarkably little environmental impact when it comes
| to shipping food around the world.
|
| Also, you say the problem is our extractive practices when it
| comes to nature. We only extract because people demand it. We
| ought to stop demanding it.
| msh wrote:
| Many places in the world you can only produce food locally in
| a limited season, so you have to store or import. I don't
| think import is naturally much worse than storage.
| heliodor wrote:
| By the same logic, you should not be using Saudi Arabia's
| oil.
|
| Some places have more of something than they need for their
| own consumption. Trade makes sense.
| Fnoord wrote:
| We are, for now, dependant on fossil fuels (including from
| nefarious regimes).
|
| I like fish, practically all except
| coalfish/pollock/seelachs (which does have a nice
| advantage: cheap and widely available). Fish is supposedly
| a good sourcevon omega 3 fatty acids, vitamin D, and
| vitamin B13. Which are all 3 difficult to come by if you
| largely follow a vegan diet otherwise. Yes I have the
| choice of eating things like cowmilk, chicken eggs, and
| cheese, but I generally don't like them. For example, I
| only molten cheese and non-boiled eggs. So I end up
| regularly eating some Captain Iglo/Birdseye fish sticks
| which are cheap and mask the taste and structure of
| coalfish/pollock/seelachs.
|
| One time in a German restaurant we got excited. Seelachs,
| that's salmon, right? Wrong, salmon is lachs, seelachs is
| coalfish/pollock. Such disappointment while I see people
| getting served, price was too good to be true (it was a
| large group deal though). I ended up eating one bite. See,
| not many brands cover up the taste well. In this case, no
| seasoning whatsoever was used.
|
| The problem is, back 100 days ago, imported foods were a
| luxury. You'd eat local unless you were rich (most people
| were not). But we don't do that because those who pollute
| get away with it; they don't pay a fair share to
| destimulate the behaviour enough, and the bioindustry is
| very efficient and caused an availability of meat for the
| pleb folk. If we go on in this pace, major cities like
| Amsterdam are unlikely to exist in 2100. But voters don't
| seem to care, so the future of my children is likely not
| near the city they were born, they can vusit it by boat or
| drone or Maps by then, reading on Wikipedia what once and
| how adults failed. All because we were too greedy and
| unwilling to solve it on a macro level.
| hellbannedguy wrote:
| Being a vegetarian is healthy too.
|
| We can't have everything.
|
| There's just too many people on this wounded planet.
|
| I would love to eat fish. I can't because of cost, and too
| many people love to eat them.
|
| We all can't have everything we want.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| > The main culprit is land locked people eating far away
| foods, its not sustainable.
|
| > Everything should be optimized for local, in season
| consumption. Imported food aught to be a treat, not a staple.
|
| It's not like we don't know how this turns out. You're
| advocating for pretty severe malnutrition in a lot of
| landlocked populations.
| merrywhether wrote:
| You're basically saying that just because we haven't been
| great at general fishery management yet doesn't mean we won't
| get it right next time. But the problem here is that
| fisheries are literally the textbook example of the tragedy
| of the commons and there will always be someone looking to
| capture the benefits while externalizing the costs. I'm not
| disagreeing with you that unsustainable eating is the root of
| this (and many other) problem but the only successful
| solutions has been extremely strong semi-militaristic (eg
| Coast Guard with teeth) enforcement of fishing quotas that
| are quite unpopular for all involved: fishers who lose jobs,
| eaters who lose access to a favorite taste, etc. No one likes
| taking their vitamins as it were.
| 1cvmask wrote:
| The curious case of a country that sends its troops all over the
| world to "protect" the borders of other countries but strangely
| ignores its own border. Then again the government (through the
| CIA) was involved in drug running. So you want an unfortified
| border then.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Alliance_(book)
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb
| bufferoverflow wrote:
| It's by design. Democrats want more illegal immigrants, because
| they and their children tend to vote for them.
| williamtwild wrote:
| How do illegal immigrants vote?
| Wistar wrote:
| In the minds of those who believe unlikely things.
| vadfa wrote:
| Voter fraud.
| short12 wrote:
| In every thread someone has to post that like it's some huge
| secret. It's been known for 40 decades. No one has ever looked
| at those links and said "this is shocking knews to me"
| IAmGraydon wrote:
| Why not link to the actual article on the subject, which says
| that it was investigated multiple times and found to be false?
| Did I answer my own question?
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_coca...
| slavboj wrote:
| Even better, why not link to the far more expansive set of
| proven allegations, instead of "the CIA investigated itself
| and decided there was nothing wrong"?
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_traffi.
| ..
|
| "U.S. Government Officials said in 1990 the Anti-Drug Unit of
| the C.I.A. "accidentally" shipped a ton of cocaine into the
| United States from Venezuela as part of an effort to
| infiltrate and gather evidence on drug gangs. The cocaine was
| sold on the streets in the United States. No criminal charges
| were made in this incident, however C.I.A. officer Mark
| McFarlin resigned and another C.I.A. officer was disciplined.
| The CIA issued a statement on the incident saying there was
| "poor judgment and management on the part of several C.I.A.
| officers""
| toss1 wrote:
| i.e., it was a one-off mistake, and people were held
| accountable (even if not to the degree you feel
| appropriate), and it was not systematic as you and GGP are
| attempting to imply
| twofornone wrote:
| The only part about this that was one-off was that they
| were caught. It's an open secret that the CIA has been
| involved in some form of drug running for decades.
| tata71 wrote:
| Intelligence agency black budgets are a one-off?
|
| Keep reading.
| toss1 wrote:
| Of course black (classified) budgets are standard
| operating procedure.
|
| That does not mean that the expenditures are for the same
| items and projects every year.
| llamataboot wrote:
| I would hardly call the US border "ignored"
| frankharv wrote:
| Your right about that. While the Feds have adjudicated their
| duties the state of Texas has had to step up and bring in
| state resources. Charging people with a misdemeanor
| trespassing charges as a last resort when the Border Patrol
| is hamstrung by politics. Why not build that wall? Just ask
| Poland about the value of a wall. Europe is finally realizing
| there is orderly migration on one hand and chaos by bandits
| on the other.
|
| Really sad situation. Poor people deserve better. To spend
| their life savings on human smuggling is a pity.
| dghlsakjg wrote:
| Better that poor people should spend it on lawyers and
| application fees trying to get to the top of a decades long
| waitlist that may not even yield a visa?
|
| From the perspective of a poor person, the coyote is a far
| cheaper option, with a higher likelihood of success. Do you
| really think that a wall is going to stop people who
| travelled thousands of miles? It might slow them down a
| little, but a quick youtube search shows people getting
| past most styles of the border barriers in about a minute
| or less
|
| The CBP spends 18 billion dollars per year, which is up
| from 6 billion in 2003. This doesn't look like a problem we
| can spend our way out of.
| abfan1127 wrote:
| East Germany had a pretty good wall too.
| redis_mlc wrote:
| The US southern border is currently not enforced, thanks to
| Biden's Open Border policy.
|
| It's expected 2 million illegal migrants will walk across the
| Mexican border into the US in 2021.
| toss1 wrote:
| riiight... that's why there's a scandal about border patrol
| on horseback rounding up migrants to be sent back to their
| home country, and significant encampments of people trying
| (i.e., failing) to get across; this is not merely open
| borders and walking across as you falsely imply.
|
| Stop posting propaganda
| echopurity wrote:
| Prohibition and carnism destroy the ocean along with countless
| lives? No surprise.
| EdwardDiego wrote:
| Are the snapper perhaps a fair exchange for the US caused
| dramatic impacts on the health of the Colorado delta, and the
| resulting massive impact on the Kwapa, a people whose entire
| identity was based on the Colorado River?
|
| Silly question, but I find the article's tone of polite outrage a
| bit hypocritical. Bonus points for the DRUGGGS outrage angle.
|
| Especially when Texas used to be the province of Tejas, until the
| Anglos (who'd been invited) rebelled when Mexico tried to prevent
| illegal migration from the US, and banned slavery.
|
| Maybe Texas is a fair trade for snapper?
| andrew_ wrote:
| Try to ignore the political aspects of this for a moment. The
| entire biome of the Gulf is at stake here when a single species
| is threatened. The Gulf might seem like it's a huge body of
| water on paper (and I mean, it is) but it's a rather small salt
| water ecosystem by comparison. The smaller the ecosystem, the
| bigger the impact of a disruption. NOAA, for all of their
| faults and some questionable season closures, have helped
| successfully bring back several species from near extinction
| and in doing so helped keep the entire Gulf fishery alive. It's
| bigger than petty politics.
|
| I've been fishing for snapper for the last 8 years in the Gulf
| off of the Florida coast, where most of the prized species are
| heavily regulated (and heavily fined for breaking regs). The
| Gulf has seen several rounds of disruption and keeps bouncing
| back. Keeping the Gulf healthy is not only the right thing to
| do from an environmental view, but also for what it provides to
| the people who live in states and countries surrounding it.
| splitstud wrote:
| I've fished the gulf for 50 years. The gulf is better stocked
| with fish now than in my youth. The thanks for this goes to
| the GCCA and state regs.
| cheese_van wrote:
| I fished snapper all my life in the Gulf as well thinking it
| was unique to the Gulf. I was delighted to find red snapper
| in Indonesia during a visit there. The genus Lutjanus is a
| fairly well distributed in the Atlantic, Indian, and Pacific
| Ocean and they are all tasty.
|
| The beachside Indonesian practice is to cook them in smoke
| houses with coconut husks as fuel.
|
| Anyway, snapper is everywhere, and everywhere over-fished.
| stevespang wrote:
| At the moment captains are reporting the snapper population
| offshore in Texas have never been better, in fact, this month the
| Federal season was reopened a bit for snapper. Texas Gov. Greg
| Abbott has started using Texas National Guard and DPS troops to
| arrest and imprison illegals crossing the Texas land border - -
| -over 7,000 so far. Why not start arresting any illegal fishermen
| caught in Texas waters and auctioning off their boats far inland
| to US citizens to help pay for it ? Texas State waters go out 9
| miles from the coast, and I have no problem with dragging any
| found out farther into Texas waters to arrest them. Time to put
| the cartels on notice . . .
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