[HN Gopher] MuditaOS And Mudita Center are now fully Open Source
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MuditaOS And Mudita Center are now fully Open Source
Author : khimaros
Score : 81 points
Date : 2021-11-10 13:15 UTC (9 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (mudita.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (mudita.com)
| alkdfdlkdslk wrote:
| Want to buy - but need a private messenger on it.
| marcodiego wrote:
| Interesting: they have a cellphone using it:
| https://mudita.com/community/blog/october-mudita-pure-produc...
|
| Maybe we'll see a RYF-capable phone?
| still_grokking wrote:
| This looks really great. Didn't know about this company until
| now. Will have a close look as the phone seems amazing.
|
| Thanks people post such pearls on HN!
| mvdwoord wrote:
| Interesting phone. Have considered for quite some time to move to
| a dumbish phone, or at least something more minimal. Would like
| to ditch the mindless and low friction browsing etc.. but OTOH I
| would miss Signal/Telegram as it is too much of a benefit to me
| in daily life, as is Maps.
|
| Most of those issues could be dealt with by changing
| habits/lifestyle (which is the point, to a degree) however for
| people who have made that plunge... how do you deal with the
| seeming need for a phone with secure chip for the endless banking
| and two factor apps?
|
| I would need a second phone with all bells and whistles which
| defeats the point.
| rnkn wrote:
| > how do you deal with the seeming need for a phone with secure
| chip for the endless banking and two factor apps?
|
| I've been without a smartphone for about two years now and
| would not go back (although sometimes tempted by the false
| promise that a shiny new product will bring happiness).
|
| It's easy, you just don't treat your phone as secure, do
| banking on a computer, along with email.
|
| 2FA is not magic, it's just another password. Just a password
| manager like pass [0] can generate 2FA codes, but it's easy
| enough to do with oathtool [1] that I wrote my own password
| manager.
|
| [0] https://www.passwordstore.org [1]
| https://www.nongnu.org/oath-toolkit/
| mvdwoord wrote:
| My current employer (long term contract work) and many other
| company policies simply require e.g. ms authenticator...
| Can't find any alternative to that. Is there a way to use
| company issued ms 2fa without a mobile phone (Android/iOS)?
| glial wrote:
| I _love_ the idea behind this phone and have been following the
| development for a while, but it 's really a drag that it doesn't
| support group messages.
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| Which hardware does it run on anyway? Can I install it on a PC?
| An old Android phone? reMarkable? PocketBook? Kindle? Perhaps
| VirtualBox?
| ryukafalz wrote:
| Fair warning for anyone considering the phone: it doesn't appear
| to support group messaging. If you live in Europe, you might not
| care. If you live in the US, this is quite possibly a
| dealbreaker.
|
| https://forum.mudita.com/t/group-messaging/975
|
| Of course, now that it's open source someone could add it, but...
| too fundamental of a feature for me to start daily driving it in
| the first place.
| hnlmorg wrote:
| That will be because SMS doesn't support group messages and MMS
| is a different protocol entirely (believe it or not MMS content
| exchange is done via HTTP, using SMS only for pushing control
| messages[1]).
|
| So unfortunately group messages are one of those occasions
| where superficially easy problem becomes a non-trivial feature
| to add.
|
| [1] > _the content is extracted and sent to a temporary storage
| server with an HTTP front-end. An SMS "control message"
| containing the URL of the content is then sent to the
| recipient's handset to trigger the receiver's WAP browser to
| open and receive the content from the embedded URL. Several
| other messages are exchanged to indicate the status of the
| delivery attempt._
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service#T...
| ryukafalz wrote:
| Right, I'm aware it uses MMS; my other comment mentions this:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29176484
|
| Whether it's SMS or MMS on the backend doesn't matter to me
| as a user, it's still a fundamental enough feature of a
| mobile phone for me that I can't consider one without it.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Except the little detail that MMS pays per amount of
| recipients.
| selfhoster11 wrote:
| Sending SMS basically comes free with a mobile plan in my
| country. MMS messages still cost just as much as 20 years
| ago (which is to say, they are priced unrealistically).
| pbronez wrote:
| Interesting. That's a restriction on Tesla's infotainment
| system as well. I wonder how the underlying standards differ.
| What makes group messaging so much harder to implement?
|
| I agree it's a pretty key feature.
|
| Of course, there are a lot of other problems with SMS. There's
| a reason other chat apps are so common, and a lot of it is key
| features like delivery confirmation and message length.
|
| Perhaps Mudita should offer a cloud service that bridges
| various chat apps to their phone. If they take a privacy-first
| approach, it could be a really nice service.
|
| Similarly, I would love to streaming music on this thing.
| Spotify runs on everything, so why not here?
|
| Maybe I don't totally agree with their product vision though. I
| like the idea of a slimmed down, privacy-respecting phone. I
| just don't want to give up ALL the benefits of a smart phone. I
| would welcome a unified chat interface and a simplified Spotify
| app.
|
| I would probably be willing to pay a subscription for secure
| backends to give me a streamlined, integrated experience.
| ryukafalz wrote:
| > What makes group messaging so much harder to implement?
|
| Group messaging requires MMS, so you don't get it for free by
| just implementing SMS. Most up-and-coming platforms seem to
| stop at SMS - which you do need for MMS as its control
| messages are sent via SMS, but it's not enough.
| selfhoster11 wrote:
| MMS is overpriced in all European networks that I know of.
| This might be why it's not seeing much adoption.
| mythz wrote:
| Just want to pause and say how stunningly beautifully &
| minimalist Mudita's entire brand, website & product offering is,
| everything's so beautifully Zen.
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| Nice! The picture in the article (all-white minimalistic GUI,
| except a button which I would make white too) is exactly what I
| want an ideal OS I would use to look like. I would then use it
| with a eInk display (AFAIK full-size eInk desktop displays exist
| although are very expensive, I hope eInk laptops are also going
| to emerge once we have suitable software) and probably feel very
| happy.
| mariushn wrote:
| Aren't the digits-only keys almost useless? Who types a phone
| number these days? I either call contacts, or click on a phone
| link, or long-press on a phone number on the web then select
| Call, or click Call from Maps.
|
| Hope these guys would consider doing an ereader though.
| [deleted]
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| Whenever I need to call a new number (and I do it often -
| because companies, state etc.) I manually add the country code
| to it. Because they often don't add it themselves when putting
| it on their website or in a message. If I use it as it is and
| don't add the country code, the moment they call/text me back
| the phone software considers it a different number because the
| caller ID actually includes the code.
|
| > Hope these guys would consider doing an ereader though.
|
| Why? Can't a 3rd party just make an app? Given you already have
| the eInk screen, how is a dedicated ebook reader supposed to be
| different from an eInk tablet with a reading app?
| FpUser wrote:
| Russians already had fun with Pidora OS. This one may amuse them
| even more.
| dotcoma wrote:
| Interesting, but... 369 USD? Really??
| meragrin_ wrote:
| Not enough volume to qualify for discounts and less phones to
| spread out R&D costs.
| camgunz wrote:
| Pretty cool company, love the manifesto. Excited for when their
| products ship.
|
| EU tech culture is really intriguing actually, everything from
| private email services (mailbox.org) to low-power computing
| (pine64) and a lot of FOSS development. I find myself aligning
| more with those values than the values we're pushing here in the
| US--whatever the Venn diagram of
| Meta/Google/Microsoft/Amazon/Salesforce/Oracle are I don't think
| it's super inspiring. Maybe it's a little unfair to cherrypick
| though.
| Stampo00 wrote:
| Seems values like sustainability and privacy are at least a
| little higher priority outside of the United States. I, too,
| can get behind that.
| turbinerneiter wrote:
| Pine is Hongkong tough.
| capableweb wrote:
| That seems to be relatively recent though, originally US
| based. This is what Wikipedia says about the history:
|
| > Pine64 initially operated as Pine Microsystems Inc.
| (Fremont, California), founded by TL Lim
|
| > all devices for the Kickstarter campaign were manufactured
| and sold by Pine Microsystems Inc. based in Fremont,
| California.
|
| > In January 2020, Pine Microsystems Inc. was dissolved while
| Pine Store Limited was incorporated on December 5, 2019 in
| Hong Kong. As of late 2020, the standard form contract of
| pine64.com binds all orders to the laws of Malaysia, while
| the products are shipped from warehouses in Hong Kong and
| Shenzhen, China.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine64
| Fnoord wrote:
| In Hong Kong they can get away with their shoddy 1 month
| warranty. In USA or EU, not so much.
| selfhoster11 wrote:
| This means that they can also get away with charging very
| low prices for their products. PinePhone is the first
| Linux smartphone that I wanted to buy, simply because
| it's so cheap and I won't weep if it fails.
| camgunz wrote:
| _Whoa_ I had no idea. I feel like everyone I 've seen doing
| Pine64 things lives somewhere in Europe. What a world.
| stryan wrote:
| They actually started as a California-based company before
| re-basing to Hong Kong back in (IIRC) 2019. Not sure why
| the change.
| capableweb wrote:
| Doing business from the US is a minefield today, not at
| all like it used to be. Almost any other country is
| better if you just want to focus on running a business,
| so not so surprising that they relocated.
| pengaru wrote:
| The previous US administration going to war with China on
| trade created a lot of uncertainty and concern
| surrounding tariffs and delays/parts availability.
|
| Through that lens it probably makes a lot of sense to
| simply move your operation to China, when that covers the
| bulk of the relevant supply chain for your products.
| Especially if you have no other barriers deterring the
| relocation, like language or cultural challenges...
| yumraj wrote:
| > Doing business from the US is a minefield today
|
| As opposed to doing business from China. Hmm, really.....
| Fnoord wrote:
| If they do business from China or Hong Kong they can get
| away with shoddy 1 month warranty, simple as that.
| Nobody's gonna bust those who are behind the company from
| countries like China, Hong Kong, Vietnam, ...
| yumraj wrote:
| If that's what the OP meant, yes I agree.
| billyjobob wrote:
| From the site:
|
| > _Although we would have liked to only use 2G, the least harmful
| radio frequency, it is currently being phased out around the
| world. We spent a good amount of time trying to find a flexible,
| modern and global GSM module, which could be used for travelling
| anywhere in the world. With the user's health in mind, Pure
| always chooses the lowest spectrum available to limit radiation._
|
| Will this phone also save me from the vax?
| amluto wrote:
| 2G isn't a frequency. This is nuts.
| whydoyoucare wrote:
| That can possibly be explained by non-native English speaking
| team. The whole idea of "radiation exposure" is actually
| nuts, and a pure marketing gimmick (as are meditation timer,
| and other ethical considerations).
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