[HN Gopher] For whom do the Covid "fact checkers" work?
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For whom do the Covid "fact checkers" work?
Author : missinfo
Score : 22 points
Date : 2021-11-07 19:43 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (brownstone.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (brownstone.org)
| nyxaiur wrote:
| Yeah, after the 6th spelling mistake in the first three
| paragraphs and checking the writers credentials further than the
| nice looking bio at the bottom I would flag it if I could.
| zeruch wrote:
| Even if I didnt know already that Brownstone is more akin to
| Clownstone (really, its founder is someone Ayn Rand might have
| an onanistic seizure for, with all the self-righteous
| dweebishness that implies) and I'm pretty sure editing is one
| of the last things that it cares about, as long as its anti-
| mask, anti-vax, anti governments of any kind schtick is
| maintained.
| ergocoder wrote:
| I have no idea what to believe anymore.
|
| Vaccine prevents covid (e.g. death and major injury). Somehow
| vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or vaccinated-but-
| unmasked people. Huh?
|
| Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be
| vaccinated (this is since a few months back).
|
| If you point that out, people will counter back with covid
| doesn't impact kids. Well, okay?
|
| We try too hard to use unvaccinated as a scapegoat of the bad
| crisis management.
|
| Do you remember how Fauci undermined all masks in the beginning?
| I do.
|
| Fauci still try to pin it on unvaccinated when schools are still
| open..
| KyeRussell wrote:
| Honestly it just sounds like you've bought into the politics of
| it all. This is (mostly) a scientific issue, and inherent in
| that is the fact that the body of knowledge changes as a result
| of new observations.
|
| > If you point that out, people will counter back with covid
| doesn't impact kids. Well, okay?
|
| Who is "people"?
|
| Are you using a consistent source?
|
| If your point is that people have different understandings of
| appropriate COVID responses, then I guess I agree, but I don't
| think that that's the point that you're trying to make.
|
| More to the point, I can't see how any government response
| could combat the fact that in 2021 everyone is an expert and
| disinformation is rife. This is a pre-existing condition.
| ergocoder wrote:
| Majority of people agree with school opening. Therefore,
| covid is seen as not a big deal.
|
| Because if covid is a huge deal, we wouldn't trade dead kids
| with educating kids. Being alive would almost always come
| first
| Spivak wrote:
| I think you're talking about the opinions of two different
| groups which is why they conflict.
|
| I'm fully vaxxed plus a booster and I don't really want to be
| around unmasked unvaxxed people if I can help it. Like the
| vaccine isn't magic, the effectiveness drops over time and more
| exposures compounds the risk. There's zero gain to be around a
| high risk group, especially when it's so easy to avoid right
| now. And I still wear a mask and encourage others to as well
| (not that it matters because there are still mandates) because
| I don't want to accidentally be an asymptotic carrier to
| someone, especially someone unvaccinated -- I have friends and
| family with weak immune systems and kids. Wearing a mask costs
| me nothing, especially now that it's cold and keeps my face
| warm, and might do some good.
|
| I also think it is monumentally stupid that schools around here
| opened. Sure yeah, pack kids in poorly ventilated rooms for 8
| hours a day, nothing bad will happen there.
| schwartzworld wrote:
| > Somehow vaccinated people are scared of unvaccinated or
| vaccinated-but-unmasked people
|
| I can't speak for everyone, but even with a vaccine I can still
| transmit covid to my young children. I'll breathe easier once
| they are vaccinated too.
|
| > Then, all schools in US are open to kids who cannot even be
| vaccinated
|
| There are other factors besides COVID. Quarantine was not good
| for our kids, and we made the decision to send them back too
| school when we saw how much they were suffering due to lack of
| socialization.
|
| Additionally, working with kids at home was next to impossible.
| We are taking a calculated risk sending them back because the
| bills, unfortunately, do not pay themselves. It was not an easy
| decision.
| ergocoder wrote:
| We are comparing that with kids dying from covid or having
| long covid, right?
|
| I suppose dead kids is cheaper than working with kids at
| home.
|
| That is an absurd decision.
| weakfish wrote:
| https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/brownstone-institute-bias/
| defaultprimate wrote:
| The juxtaposition of this comment on this post is hilarious
| sdoering wrote:
| > Overall, we rate the Brownstone Institute Right Biased based
| on editorial positions that favor a conservative-libertarian
| perspective. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due
| to a failed fact check and the promotion of misinformation
| regarding Covid-19.
|
| Just to spare others the click.
| quitit wrote:
| For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to
| speculate that it's all a sham (while conveniently also not
| providing any data to back up such a claim.)
|
| Meanwhile a single search pulls _a possible source_ for the 80%
| figure:
|
| https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...
|
| But talking about that source is inconvenient to the author
| because it provides ample support over a range of real world and
| laboratory studies (with both types demonstrating the 80% figure)
|
| But even without looking deeply into this - what motive would the
| CDC have for making everyone run around in little fabric masks
| versus the very well known disinformation efforts.
|
| At this stage of the pandemic: the science is abundantly clear -
| masks work.
| xkbarkar wrote:
| Right. Did you even read the "source" you provided? Anyone who
| uses the 2 infected hairdressers as proof masks work has lost
| all credibility. Its the kind of scientism that thrives on
| social media.
|
| You do realize that half of the supposedly covid free clientel
| declined a pcr test? They just said they felt fine.
|
| I would not have gotten a passing grade in high scool if I had
| turned that paper in as proof of masking.
|
| Since 2020 any crap, no matter how idiotic, as long as it
| supports masking, is passed off as science.
|
| Some days reddit clearly leaks into HN.
| atoav wrote:
| Sorry but masks are not a very disputes issue anymore. I mean
| it is a airborne virus, how other than filtering air you
| breath in and out would you practically target it?
|
| Weirdly enough nobody seems to doubt HEPA filters work. Maybe
| because they are more convenient and don't demand that you
| wear a piece of cloth in your face?
| pangolinplayer wrote:
| It's a sham
| throwntoday wrote:
| It doesn't matter what the truth is at this point because the
| majority of scientist have demonstrated they are massive
| cowards and won't speak out against patently false information
| in the mainstream for fear of becoming pariahs.
| atoav wrote:
| I have experienced the polar opposite (non US citizen)
| stefantalpalaru wrote:
| > (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up
| such a claim.)
|
| "The intervention increased proper mask-wearing from 13.3% in
| control villages (N=806,547 observations) to 42.3% in treatment
| villages (N=797,715 observations) (adjusted percentage point
| difference = 0.29 \\[0.27, 0.31\\]). This tripling of mask
| usage was sustained during the intervention period and two
| weeks after. \\[...\\] The proportion of individuals with
| COVID-like symptoms was __7.62%__ (N=13,273) in the
| intervention arm and __8.62%__ (N=13,893) in the control arm."
| - ["The Impact of Community Masking on COVID-19: A Cluster-
| Randomized Trial in Bangladesh" (2021)](https://www.poverty-
| action.org/sites/default/files/publicati...)
|
| "SARS-CoV-2-naive vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to
| 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta
| variant compared to those previously infected, when the first
| event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and
| February of 2021." - ["Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to
| vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough
| infections" (2021)](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/202
| 1.08.24.21262415v...)
| joelbondurant wrote:
| The USA Fact-Check Algorithm from the Science Ministry is the
| canonical arbiter of truth.
| charbonneau2 wrote:
| > The data in support of this is massive, and quite certain.
|
| _Continues without providing data._
| ziml77 wrote:
| Because it's just a blog site for people frustrated by the
| lockdowns with a fancy sounding name.
| zeruch wrote:
| It's a bit worse than that. Its the Brownstone "Institute",
| basically a front for 'anarcho-capitalist' (read: wannabe
| Peter Thiel on steroids and bitcoin) Jeffrey Tucker.
|
| It's buffoonish, but easy to spot.
| calmworm wrote:
| Why is this on HN? Meh.
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