[HN Gopher] Windows 11 upgrade tool that bypasses Microsoft's re...
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       Windows 11 upgrade tool that bypasses Microsoft's requirements
        
       Author : donutloop
       Score  : 92 points
       Date   : 2021-11-06 11:40 UTC (11 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (github.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (github.com)
        
       | Blueskytech wrote:
       | It may come to Windows 10 but AAC Bluetooth support with proper
       | microphone switching is a huge upgrade. If you have Sony XM4
       | headphones the switch to 11 is worth it.
        
       | jpalomaki wrote:
       | Microsoft provides also their own instructions on bypassing some
       | of the requirements: https://support.microsoft.com/en-
       | us/windows/ways-to-install-...
       | 
       | Looks like you by-pass CPU family and model check and go with TPM
       | 1.2 instead of the required 2.0.
        
       | xet7 wrote:
       | Is this embedding something to Win11 iso?
       | 
       | Is this any different than setting those bypass registry keys
       | manually, like in this article?
       | 
       | https://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/post/install-microso...
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | kevinoid wrote:
       | Interesting. If I understand correctly, the "bypass" is
       | https://github.com/coofcookie/Windows11Upgrade/blob/1.0.0/Wi...
       | which is a copy of
       | https://github.com/AveYo/MediaCreationTool.bat/blob/main/MCT...
       | which appears to be intentionally cryptic.
       | 
       | It sets
       | HKLM\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup\AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU=1
       | which is mentioned by Microsoft in
       | https://support.microsoft.com/windows/ways-to-install-window...
       | which seems reasonable.
       | 
       | According to the comment, the rest of the script "uses IFEO to
       | attach to Virtual Disk Service Loader process running during
       | setup, then erases appraiserres.dll [...] it must also do some
       | ping-pong renaming of vdsldr in system32\11" Could anyone explain
       | this in more detail?
       | 
       | Also note, according to
       | https://github.com/AveYo/MediaCreationTool.bat/issues/11 it skips
       | the CPU and TPM checks, but not the Secure Boot checks.
        
         | anaisbetts wrote:
         | The Image File Execution Options's "Debugger" key works in an
         | extremely simple way - it literally intercepts process
         | creation, takes whatever's in the "Debuggers" key, and prepends
         | it to the command-line to run. If that thing is not a Debugger,
         | it means you effectively get to hook whenever a process is
         | created and Do Something.
         | 
         | This is a great way to nerf a program You Don't Like (i.e.
         | corporate antivirus), because you can write `Please Die` (or
         | literally anything really) in the Debuggers line, and because
         | the resulting command-line is invalid, the CreateProcess call
         | simply fails, yet every integrity check for verifying the file
         | still exists and its ACLs are set still pass.
        
         | denysvitali wrote:
         | As you mentioned, you'll still need Secure Boot (or at least,
         | UEFI boot) + GPT.
        
       | peakaboo wrote:
       | Nice :) Feature request : Make windows a proper operating system
       | where you are not the product being exploited.
        
         | superkuh wrote:
         | That's the slipstreamed, highly modified pirate versions with
         | spying/updates disabled. You'll have to torrent it and put in a
         | bit of working keeping it up to date but it's the least worst
         | way.
         | 
         | No doubt MS will have their subsidiary Github remove
         | coofcookie's Windows11Upgradetool and soon it will only be
         | available for pirate users.
        
           | zamadatix wrote:
           | > No doubt MS will have their subsidiary Github remove
           | coofcookie's Windows11Upgradetool and soon it will only be
           | available for pirate users.
           | 
           | Extreme doubt really considering they haven't even removed
           | MAS https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-
           | Scripts after nearly 2 years.
        
             | encryptluks2 wrote:
             | Don't forget about https://github.com/Wind4/vlmcsd which is
             | extremely lightweight and mimics a KMS activation server.
             | You can even run it in a Docker image.
        
           | noxer wrote:
           | The tool is useless. Bypass instruction for the TPM checks
           | etc. are on MS website since release day. Anyone with basic
           | windows knowledge could do it since the win11 iso leaked.
        
       | loeg wrote:
       | I don't think I understand what the motivation is for consumers
       | to install Windows 11. It seems like exclusively new
       | _requirements_ and zero new _features_ over Windows 10. With that
       | understanding, other than for a fun intellectual exercise, I'm
       | not sure why you would try to install it by bypassing Microsoft's
       | requirements list.
        
         | farmin wrote:
         | WSL available in Windows Explorer and other WSL related updates
         | are nice.
        
         | habeebtc wrote:
         | I mean. It goes to 11!
         | 
         | You might wonder, why they don't just make 10 louder.
         | 
         | But it goes to 11!
        
         | invokestatic wrote:
         | I actually completely agree after upgrading. Very trivial
         | differences over 10. At least it forced me to upgrade from MBR
         | to GPT and UEFI boot.
        
         | anonymousab wrote:
         | I've noticed a couple of bug fixes that were in Windows 10
         | insider builds were recently touted as Windows 11 exclusive
         | improvements. So if one of those bugs affect you, that's a
         | reason.
         | 
         | Otherwise, it's the same as it always is: new software or new
         | modes for software will increasingly become incompatible with
         | Windows 10 and earlier over the next few years. Some future
         | directx feature will be win11 exclusive and will be critical to
         | performance sooner or later.
        
         | rnd0 wrote:
         | I'm running it, and most of the things I like probably fall
         | under "consumer" than not. The biggest things I like are
         | cosmetic; the rounded windows, smoother (easier to read? seems
         | like it) fonts, there's changes to the right-click menu and
         | other places with explorer that make more sense (to me) than
         | Windows 10 once you get used to them.
         | 
         | I thought I was going to be a die-hard 10-or-linux person but
         | then when I learned that rufus has an install option to by-pass
         | the checks I decided I wanted to try it out and I continue to
         | use it because of cosmetics, and because I'm assuming it will
         | be supported (at least for security -that's all I care about)
         | longer than windows 10.
         | 
         | 10 will expire before 11 so I'd rather get used to 11 now.
         | 
         | The WSL graphics capability is nice too -in theory. In practice
         | I haven't used it ...yet.
        
         | Someone1234 wrote:
         | I'm running it right now, and I cannot tell you why.
         | 
         | It has a lot of incomplete ideas and feels really unfinished. I
         | think Windows 11 could be worthwhile next year after it is more
         | finished/polished and the Amazon/Android app store is
         | available; but as of today you're just volunteering to be an
         | unpaid tester for unfinished software.
         | 
         | Pretty obvious Microsoft just rushed it out in time for
         | Christmas, so their OEM partners could sell "Windows 11
         | Compatible" PCs. Feels like they didn't learn much from Vista
         | in that the stigma an OS ships with hangs around its neck
         | forever.
        
           | jhanschoo wrote:
           | Going on a tangent here, the decision for a consumer whether
           | to adopt Win11 aside, it seems to me the whole raison d'etre
           | for Win11 rather than continuing to build on Win10 is exactly
           | the additional requirements. They likely want laptops being
           | sold running Win11 to have sane security capabilities for
           | corporate use out of the box. Other that that there's no
           | reason why they can't continue building on Win10.
        
             | bitwize wrote:
             | What they want is to sneak Palladium in through the back
             | door. The future of the x86 platform is a signed code path
             | from power-on to application code. Even Linux thought
             | leaders, like Lennart and Matthew Garrett, are on board
             | with this idea. The problem is, as we learned with ActiveX,
             | code signing cannot attest that code is _safe_ , only that
             | it came from a particular place. But then again, the goal
             | of verifying where code comes from is not safety, it's
             | control over who gets to run code on the platform. And who
             | has that control? Who is the only CA recognized as
             | authoritative by hardware OEMs for Secure Boot purposes?
             | 
             | Microsoft.
             | 
             | Remember, you run Linux on modern hardware only because
             | Microsoft allows you to. Microsoft signed the Red Hat shim,
             | and if you disabled Secure Boot, it's only because a
             | Microsoft policy gave you the ability to disable it -- a
             | policy they can later reverse.
        
               | josteink wrote:
               | > Remember, you run Linux on modern hardware only because
               | Microsoft allows you to.
               | 
               | Factually wrong.
               | 
               | Any regular PC owner can run Linux on modern x86 hardware
               | in at least three ways:
               | 
               | - Legacy BIOS MBR boot
               | 
               | - UEFI boot
               | 
               | - UEFI secure boot
               | 
               | Only the last one of those three options requires a
               | signed shim, and only if you don't enrol your own keys.
               | 
               | > Microsoft signed the Red Hat shim, and if you disabled
               | Secure Boot, it's only because a Microsoft policy gave
               | you the ability to disable it -- a policy they can later
               | reverse.
               | 
               | This FUS has been repeated the last 10 years+ and it gets
               | less convincing every year.
               | 
               | No OEM or PC vendor wants to _limit_ their amount of
               | potential in what is already a cut-margin business.
               | 
               | Taking away the ability to disable secure boot or taking
               | away the legacy BIOS boot option will only cost them
               | customers, and they literally have nothing to gain.
        
               | warkdarrior wrote:
               | Too true. This is why I hate that both Debian and Ubuntu
               | sign their packages. They're trying to control us, man!
               | /s
        
             | _Understated_ wrote:
             | > They likely want laptops being sold running Win11 to have
             | sane security capabilities for corporate use out of the box
             | 
             | Corporate security has been fine for years: TPM 1.2 (if I
             | remember the versions correctly) alongside bitlocker and
             | sensible corporate policies render computers all but
             | impervious to everything. However, this implies a competent
             | IT division in your company... I've worked in plenty
             | without them!
             | 
             | Social engineering or clicking a dodgy link/download is
             | probably a bigger threat than someone hacking your computer
             | and that can be mitigated to a huge extent by restricting
             | access to only the things that the user needs, locking down
             | apps, running with low privileges, auditing relevant things
             | etc... again, competent IT division needed for this too.
             | 
             | Now, if your threat matrix includes nation-states then one
             | could argue that any device is hackable.
             | 
             | My take is that hardware vendors saw the writing on the
             | wall with the pandemic-buying about to ease-up and worked
             | with Microsoft (or pressured them...) to help out. We're
             | already seeing Chromebooks on the wane[0].
             | 
             | From my perspective (long-time Windows guy now on Fedora) I
             | see nothing of value in Windows 11 that 10 didn't have
             | already.
             | 
             | Edit: Forgot the answer I was gonna write :)
             | 
             | [0] - https://chromeunboxed.com/canalys-report-chromebook-
             | sales-do...
        
           | __s wrote:
           | Update last night updated Outlook's UI, now the top bar is
           | taking up way too much vertical space that I had to configure
           | ribbon to autohide to not have 20% of vertical space eaten
           | up. Just adds on to start bar being stuck at bottom as
           | opposed to the left where I liked it. No respect for vertical
           | space
        
             | craftinator wrote:
             | I had to install windows to get access to some CAD
             | programs, but comments like this really reinforce my
             | decision to not use it as my main OS. There are so many
             | things that are anti-user, and extremely difficult to
             | modify. What are some of reasons to use windows, other than
             | for niche applications that don't work under wine?
        
               | neltnerb wrote:
               | I have not had great luck with speech recognition on
               | Linux, but I suspect that will be solved before there's a
               | compelling reason to use Windows other than having no
               | other choice due to niche applications.
        
               | ricardobayes wrote:
               | If it wasn't for running AAA games natively, I would
               | happily ditch windows. The day most AAA games come out on
               | Metal API for mac, I'll gladly switch.
        
             | alserio wrote:
             | That's something I never understood. Why do designers
             | always do that thing? Do they not use the products they
             | design?
        
               | gambiting wrote:
               | I believe it's because designers in large corporations
               | feel the need to continuously justify their own
               | employment and their salaries. So things change not
               | because users request them, but because someone somewhere
               | has to justify being a lead UI designer and their $$$
               | salary - and nonsense like moving the start menu to the
               | middle ends up being "their thing" purely because they
               | had the mental strength to push it through endless
               | meetings and reviews and someone finally said fine ok
               | we'll do this.
               | 
               | I see the same thing literally all the time with Google
               | products, every revision of YouTube/Google
               | photos/drive/android/Gmail just shuffles thing around
               | without any obvious reasoning behind it, it's just "well,
               | time for a new update, let's move things around again".
        
               | xattt wrote:
               | The sad part is that those hothead UX designers could be
               | earning their keep if they figured out a way to have some
               | radical UI while maintaining concurrency with a historic
               | UI that could be switched by the user.
        
               | bobthepanda wrote:
               | Designers at the corporate level with the power of, say,
               | Jony Ive at Apple are _extremely_ rare.
               | 
               | From working with designers and in frontend, it is
               | probably management or executive level keeping up with
               | the Joneses.
        
               | bobthepanda wrote:
               | there is also a lot of bikeshedding around design at the
               | management and executive level, and it is _constant_. (
               | "Can we make it pop?", "It just doesn't _feel_ right ",
               | "but the iPhone does it this way," etc.)
               | 
               | At least looking at people I've worked with in design,
               | fighting your client constantly is not a good idea if you
               | want to have a roof over your head. They'll just find
               | someone willing to say yes.
        
               | ricardobayes wrote:
               | It's become so annoying I dread weekly sync-ups now. It
               | feels like an hour-long UI QA session.
        
             | comeonseriously wrote:
             | So annoying because every monitor I have has more
             | horizontal space than vertical.
        
           | comeonseriously wrote:
           | They have to keep up the streak of flubbing up every other
           | release of Windows.
        
           | ricardobayes wrote:
           | What's really frustrating, is it broke most games. Valorant
           | straight out doesn't run, csgo crashes like crazy. It feels
           | like a beta.
        
         | fortran77 wrote:
         | Well, I guess Windows 11 isn't for you! I'm glad you're happy
         | with Windows 10, or perhaps another operating system that runs
         | on Industry Standard platforms. For the rest of us, this is an
         | interesting option.
        
         | comeonseriously wrote:
         | * It's different, so it's better.
         | 
         | * FOMO.
         | 
         | * "Modern"
        
         | ricardobayes wrote:
         | Pretty pixels
        
         | vanchor3 wrote:
         | I installed it exclusively for WSL2 CUDA/GPU support (for ML).
         | This was previously only available in an Insiders build of
         | Windows 10, and I got tired of waiting over a year for
         | Microsoft to keep delaying it.
         | 
         | It probably wasn't worth it, since now I just have a worse
         | version of Windows 10.
        
           | idatum wrote:
           | My laptop was capable of upgrading to Win11 and WSLg was my
           | main motivation. I like the mix of Windows and Linux and
           | having Linux graphics and pulseaudio mixed in with native
           | Windows. This most likely wouldn't be described as a
           | "consumer feature". More important for me are some opencv
           | projects I have: You get access to your GPU compute. I can
           | install CUDA+DNN on my WSL2 Debian. This is compelling IMO.
           | 
           | An option you can consider by sticking with Win10 is to
           | either wait for Win10 21H2 or join the Insider Program
           | Preview to get it now. Win10 21H2 gives you GPU compute
           | access (no graphics or pulseaudio). On an older machine, I
           | was able to build opencv-4.5 and leverage CUDA+DNN just like
           | on Win11.
           | 
           | EDIT: Win10 21H2 should be released this month. The fact that
           | it is in the Preview Channel means it's most likely a final
           | build.
        
           | lostmsu wrote:
           | Why can't you just do ML in Windows? All common Python
           | packages are supported. WSL2 CUDA probably gonna come with
           | some overhead.
        
         | filiphorvat wrote:
         | From my perspective, it has some great new features. WSLg and
         | WSA, for example.
        
           | chayleaf wrote:
           | WSLg worked just fine on Win10
        
             | 2ion wrote:
             | How so? https://github.com/microsoft/wslg#pre-requisites It
             | used to be on the insider preview, but that has moved to
             | 11.
        
               | mkl wrote:
               | "Worked", past tense.
        
         | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
         | > _It seems like exclusively new requirements and zero new
         | features over Windows 10._
         | 
         | I'm confused by your statement. Were you trying to be snarky or
         | were you commenting without actually informing yourself
         | regarding the two OSs? Because the difference in features
         | between Win 10 and 11 is just a quick Google search away.
         | 
         | Most proeminent features for Windows 11 are an updated
         | scheduler tailored to big.little architectures like the new
         | Alder Lake from Intel and Direct Storage for games, a
         | rebranding of the same feature from Xbox One and PS5.
         | 
         | Yes, Windows 11 is pretty useless over Windows 10 if you have a
         | previous gen system, but if you're buying a brand spanking new
         | PC with Alder Lake or Direct Storage and are a hardcore gamer
         | then it makes sense to go directly to Windows 11 to get the new
         | shiny features (provided you experience no bugs on 11 that
         | haven't been ironed out yet).
         | 
         | There are some other nice touches in Win11 like WSLg and the OS
         | restoring your windows positions on multi monitor setups as
         | they were between an undock - dock cycle of your laptop.
        
           | _Understated_ wrote:
           | > Most proeminent features for Windows 11 are an updated
           | scheduler tailored to big.little architectures like the new
           | Alder Lake from Intel and Direct Storage for games, a
           | rebranding of the same feature from Xbox One and PS5.
           | 
           | Let's be honest here though: those could easily have been
           | added to Windows 10 as they will be on the same kernel...
           | they added them to Windows 11 so that people would buy the
           | new shiny!
           | 
           | I'm not saying it's wrong, companies need to get new money in
           | to keep going, but those features hardly merited a "new" OS
           | :)
        
             | tomc1985 wrote:
             | In addition to the fact that MS had previously said Windows
             | 10 would be the 'last' Windows
        
               | wutwutwutwut wrote:
               | "fact"?
        
               | judge2020 wrote:
               | I don't think that was ever an official message, besides
               | what some employees said on non-official terms in the
               | past[0].
               | 
               | 0:https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-la
               | st-ve...
        
               | noxer wrote:
               | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28740486
        
             | noxer wrote:
             | >so that people would buy the new shiny!
             | 
             | Makes no sense there is nothing to buy. Win11 is a free
             | "update". Not adding it as update to win10 but give it a
             | new name I purely marketing. Stuff like that happens if new
             | people are in charge and want to have a new thing "made by
             | them". It does not cost the users anything.
        
               | _Understated_ wrote:
               | > It does not cost the users anything.
               | 
               | It does: Try creating a a local account on the Home
               | version! You can't. You must create a Microsoft account
               | which ties you Microsoft. You may not be physically
               | handing over $ but you are using their ecosystem. Your
               | actions are now recorded, categorized, analysed and then
               | M$ make more money from them.
               | 
               | There is no way in hell they will give you an OS for $0
               | unless there is a way to make money from you. None.
               | 
               | Look, I'm not being cynical or negative about it! I'm
               | just putting it in perspective. If people wanna do it
               | then go for it. It's not for me.
               | 
               | This isn't just a Microsoft thing, companies that give
               | you something for nothing are making money from you
               | somehow! Or else they won't be around long.
        
             | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
             | _> Let's be honest here though: those could easily have
             | been added to Windows 10 as they will be on the same
             | kernel... they added them to Windows 11 so that people
             | would buy the new shiny!_
             | 
             | Well yes of course, obviously, but I was not trying to
             | defend Microsoft's choice here, just pointing out the
             | feature difference between them as great-grandparent was
             | being vocally critical without doing any prior research
             | beforehand or he was just being intentionally snarky to
             | score karma points from the Microsoft/Windows 11 hate mob.
        
         | gertrunde wrote:
         | And regarding the new features that are there (i.e. the stuff
         | that's not pointless UI fluff), the most useful ones (for me
         | personally, the WSL improvements) are being backported to 10
         | anyway.
        
         | randombits0 wrote:
         | Microsoft isn't certain they can leverage TPM the way they want
         | so they are not inclined to spend money promoting it yet want
         | to get it established as quickly and deeply as possible.
         | 
         | I expect they will end up with what they deserve, i.e. nothing.
        
           | rnd0 wrote:
           | Dear god, I hope you're right ...
        
             | randombits0 wrote:
             | The curse of Microsoft is having piss-poor timing, early or
             | late. This shot is way too early. Don't worry, they saved a
             | shit-ton of money by not betting big on TPM yet. Even if
             | it's a boring roll out with a slow adoption rate, they can
             | run the clock. They are in no hurry as long as they set the
             | direction.
        
         | zamadatix wrote:
         | Auto HDR is nice. New Microsoft Store isn't doomed to fail like
         | the original "new app types only" mess but it's severely
         | limited in increased utility until they finish the Android
         | portion they promised which didn't make the initial release.
         | The native window tiling and set options are much improved,
         | especially for larger displays. The redesigned Settings app
         | feels like an actual improvement on Control Panel rather than
         | just a touch focused replacement. Also support for new hardware
         | designs like performance/efficiency core sets coming out now.
         | 
         | But if you're looking for groundbreaking features you just have
         | to move over for there aren't any. It's really more a "standard
         | 6 month Windows update that happens to represent the next
         | compatibility/support group" than "a brand new Windows version
         | after the last one sat stale for many years" type upgrade. As
         | Windows 10 nears its end of life I suspect the disparity will
         | grow more but as of now I'd take Windows 11 as heralding what
         | is going to be supported for new features for the next 10 years
         | not as an instant revolution in features you're missing out if
         | you don't jump to it immediately at release.
         | 
         | As such these projects will become much more useful/interesting
         | in about a year or two but it's good they have been started
         | now.
        
         | gpm wrote:
         | I installed it to be able to mount my Linux partition in wsl
         | (note that this requires it to be on a separate disk btw).
         | 
         | It's been smooth sailing, apart from that they reorganized the
         | UI a bit, mostly in nice ways, and upgrading didn't seem that
         | much different from a normal windows update.
        
       | tomc1985 wrote:
       | Why? What is the benefit of upgrading to Windows 11? It seems
       | like literally more of the same.
        
         | foepys wrote:
         | WSL2 got a big upgrade they developed for Windows 10 initially
         | but then pushed to Windows 11.
        
           | totony wrote:
           | Yeah WSL2 and the promised android apps support seem really
           | interesting.
        
           | Nyra wrote:
           | WSL2 is undoubtedly the most exciting addition with 11... and
           | the vast majority of users do not care or even know about it.
           | I would hardly call that a benefit worthy of a major new
           | operating system version. That same audience also probably
           | doesn't have the necessary hardware to even upgrade so who is
           | this OS for?
        
           | AshamedCaptain wrote:
           | So the benefit of upgrading to Windows 11 is .... Linux ?
        
             | int_19h wrote:
             | And the (upcoming) Android app support, for double irony.
        
       | 13415 wrote:
       | Maybe I'd consider using such a tool in 2025 when Windows 10 runs
       | out of support. Until then, the idea to install Windows 11 on an
       | unsupported machine seems crazy to me. Who would do that? I
       | haven't heard of a single feature Windows 11 has that would make
       | using it desirable. Does it even have new features?
       | 
       | [Not that I'd need new features in any OS, just wondering what
       | motivates people to upgrade voluntarily.]
        
         | Scharkenberg wrote:
         | > Does it even have new features?
         | 
         | To name just two examples: Windows Subsystem for Android,
         | nested virtualization support for AMD processors.
        
         | vladvasiliu wrote:
         | Don't know about new features. I installed it on an older
         | machine purely out of curiosity. Subjectively, it feels
         | snappier than Windows 10, and this was actually an upgrade (as
         | opposed to a fresh install).
         | 
         | I'm not sure the OS itself is quicker, it's possible they've
         | only tweaked animation speed, but it does have an effect on my
         | perception. Also, bonus points for the taskbar not popping up
         | anymore when an app requires attention (say incoming chat
         | message) while in auto-hide mode. This used to drive me up a
         | wall under 10.
         | 
         | Then again, I'm not a heavy Windows user, I basically only use
         | it for gaming, so YMMV.
        
           | 2Gkashmiri wrote:
           | i know two people in office who use win 10 non debloated
           | version, the explorer "feels" slow to load. reminds me of
           | days gone by
        
       | techload wrote:
       | Another method is to download the iso from Microsoft using
       | uupdump.net (you can download the Pro version, which lets you
       | choose a local account while installing) and then prepare the
       | bootable usb stick with Rufus, which now have the image option
       | "Extended Windows 11 Installation (no TPM/no Secure Boot/8GB-
       | RAM)". I tested it and it just works.
        
       | AndrewDucker wrote:
       | I'd be worried about Microsoft's comment that unsupported copies
       | might not get security updates...
        
         | vladvasiliu wrote:
         | I wonder how this will play out. It was my understanding that
         | the whole forced updates on Windows 10, free upgrade from 7 /
         | 8, etc were meant to cut down on the number of people running
         | old, unpatched versions.
         | 
         | For what it's worth, I installed Win 11 on an unsupported
         | computer (4th gen Xeon, no tpm) out of curiosity and I did get
         | updates. Of course, that doesn't mean it will happen forever.
        
           | OldTimeCoffee wrote:
           | I'd assume long term they're going to do more with TPMs. Once
           | they start pushing patches that require a TPM, unsupported
           | configurations won't be able to receive that update.
        
             | WarOnPrivacy wrote:
             | My 10yo notebook (TPM 1.2) wound up with it via insider.
             | Since updating, my security updates went from 1-3/wk to
             | 1/mo.
        
         | nly wrote:
         | I bypassed the checks and installed in a Virtualbox a month or
         | so ago, and it's been updating just fine.
         | 
         | I don't see them seriously blocking non-conforming installs as
         | it would essential rule out all virtual machines.
        
           | londons_explore wrote:
           | There are various 'passthrough' approaches to let a virtual
           | machine have access to the hosts TPM. In the future, that may
           | become mandatory.
        
       | jimnotgym wrote:
       | One of our support guys asked me what we were doing about Windows
       | 11. I said we should upgrade a machine and try our core
       | applications out, but otherwise let's talk about it in a year or
       | so.
       | 
       | I keep asking myself what happened. I think it is age. New OS's
       | used to be exciting
        
       | elorant wrote:
       | Imho Microsoft's requirements are the perfect excuse not to
       | install Win11. I have a 10th generation cpu, and I've
       | purposefully disabled TPM so to avoid the OS upgrading by itself,
       | or nagging me to update.
        
         | WarOnPrivacy wrote:
         | Didn't work for us on the skip-ahead ring. WU queued up an
         | update to Windows 10 22000 w/ no mention it was Windows 11.
         | Installed on my 10yo T430.
        
       | lebrad wrote:
       | The best technique to do this, which I just used tonight is to
       | use the Windows 10 media creation tool to create a USB installer.
       | Then use the Windows 11 media creation tool to download the
       | Windows 11 ISO. Then copy the install.esd from the sources folder
       | of the Windows 11 ISO over the one on the Windows 10 USB stick.
       | 
       | That creates a Windows 11 installer that works on any PC that
       | meets the requirements for Windows 10. At first this installer
       | will even say that it's installing Windows 10, but it actually
       | installs its esd payload, which is Windows 11.
        
         | 2Gkashmiri wrote:
         | why cant they have iso file links on their website like same
         | humans? every hoarder should have the chance to hoard windows
         | isos
        
           | kenniskrag wrote:
           | if the user agent is linux, they provide the isos. Otherwise
           | they want you to use their creation tool.
        
         | aceazzameen wrote:
         | I feel like I should create this on a USB stick right now
         | before it stops working (they could change the tools). But I
         | also have no incentive to ever want to install Windows 11,
         | unless they drop the TPM requirements.
        
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