[HN Gopher] Julia Liuson promoted to President of the MSFT DevDi...
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Julia Liuson promoted to President of the MSFT DevDiv, which now
includes GitHub
Author : ghuntley
Score : 53 points
Date : 2021-11-03 18:37 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| ghuntley wrote:
| That email was sent by Scott Gu of Azure.
|
| GitHub now reports to the same person that did this to the .NET
| community. Is anyone paying attention or just me?
| http://theverge.com/2021/10/22/22740701/microsoft-dotnet-hot...
| (and https://isdotnetopen.com/)
|
| See also
| https://twitter.com/geoffreyhuntley/status/14559364800234823...
|
| Other items under this persons remit:
|
| - Visual Studio
|
| - .NET
|
| - Python
|
| - TypeScript
|
| - OpenJDK
|
| - GitHub (+NPM)
|
| - (hint hint) Azure SDKs (hint hint)
|
| - (hint hint) Azure PaaS / Azure Serverless (hint hint)
| fwip wrote:
| https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262 - Just as a heads up,
| the PR to add this functionality back in was merged half an
| hour ago.
|
| Maybe it was an evil scheme to sell more VS licenses, but
| they've at least backtracked and the functionality has been
| restored for other clients.
| ksec wrote:
| Ok, the timing of this and Nat Friedman stepping down from CEO.
| Coincidence?
| ghuntley wrote:
| The capture of open source programming languages via binary
| blobs [1][2] and hiring influencers + open-source maintainers
| so "ecosystem works best on azure" (go look at careers page)
| is "an absolute a coincidence".
|
| [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k0s8qw/vs_code_de
| vel...
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| [2] https://twitter.com/geoffreyhuntley/status/14559660287441
| 223...
| geofft wrote:
| What you call "capture of open source programming languages
| via binary blobs" is in fact someone trying to run a
| _closed-source_ application and then being disappointed it
| doesn 't work the way they want.
|
| It's a closed-source application. Stop expecting that. Yes
| we all want everyone to write nothing but free software all
| the time, and yes we all specifically want pylance to be
| open source, but saying that the existence of closed-source
| code is an attack on open source is both silly and wrong.
| Would you be happier if the entire .NET ecosystem were
| closed-source?
| ghuntley wrote:
| There was once an old saying "ye, who pays the
| maintainers of open source, controls the roadmap of the
| open source project".
|
| Add a dash of people not caring about FOSS tooling (ie
| mass adoption of visual studio) and the future could be
| grim.
|
| There is currently a very large amount of infinity stones
| (core developer tools across all ecosystems) under the
| control of a single company (!) and reporting to a single
| person (!)
|
| I hope the cynic within is wrong about this one.
| geofft wrote:
| So this is just the old "open source sustainability"
| problem.
|
| Open source has _always_ been largely the work of people
| funded by hostile corporate interests. The very words
| "open source" came from hostile corporate interests
| because "free software" scared their finance people.
|
| And people never cared about FOSS tooling in the past. A
| whole lot of open source developers use Windows and
| macOS. There was a time when Sublime Text was as popular
| as Visual Studio Code. .NET gained its popularity while
| it was closed source, while Miguel de Icaza was
| reimplementing it as Mono.
|
| (Frankly, there was a time - which only ended a couple
| years ago - when Visual Studio proper, not Code, was not
| even freely available, never mind open-source-ness.)
| flavayoda wrote:
| Disclaimer: I work at MSFT on Julia's team
|
| While the recent hot reload was super disappointing and a
| larger organization failure, I can't say enough good things
| about Julia as a leader. She is incredibly developer-focused,
| smart, and approachable. She is everything I would want to see
| in a CVP / President, and a fantastic track record of both
| people and product.
| hitekker wrote:
| You should comment with your real account, if you have one.
| Otherwise some folks might interpret this comment to be
| artificial, damage control.
| cnxs wrote:
| We frequently hear amazing testimonies in MSFT threads here.
| Who does _she_ report to? We don 't know the grand plan
| (perhaps neither does she) and that org looks a little too
| crowded for my taste.
| Bognar wrote:
| She reports to Scott Guthrie. Is this supposed to be
| relevant to something?
| Bognar wrote:
| Julia is pretty well regarded by people under her.
| Additionally, she has some big OSS names reporting directly to
| her like Miguel de Icaza and Guido van Rossum. Perhaps if she
| was hellbent on destroying open source then we might hear more
| about it or see some high profile exits?
|
| Have you considered that this could be just a bog standard
| corporate promotion + re-org and that you're reading too much
| into things?
| vxclax wrote:
| Van Rossum always goes to the corporation that is a)
| currently interested in Python and b) has many core
| developers that he can exert influence over.
|
| First Google: When Google started to favor Go, he quit.
|
| Then Dropbox: Quit after the walrus operator drama.
|
| Both OSS names seem quite corporate-oriented to me. How would
| they _prevent_ OSS destruction?
| ghuntley wrote:
| Previous leak related to decisions made by Julia from
| engineers in the .NET team at http://pastebin.com/RF6015kv
|
| Now, to be clear, the focus should not be on the person.
| Instead the many corporate strategies in play here. GitHub
| just got slotted into the person who overlooks Azure SDK
| development.
| Bognar wrote:
| It's incredibly reductive to refer to DevDiv as Azure SDK
| development.
|
| Also, Nat reported directly to ScottGu whose purview is
| literally all of Azure and then some. Don't you think
| that's a closer relationship to Azure than someone who
| "overlooks Azure SDK development"?
| supthere wrote:
| > Now, to be clear, the focus should not be on the person.
|
| He said after spending several hours drawing focus to the
| person, including by name in the very previous breath.
| aaomidi wrote:
| Hahaha
|
| She was one of the major reasons I left Microsoft. Good memes.
| steego wrote:
| I'm not going to pretend I am an OSS champion.
|
| I am not.
|
| I want to use tools built by people who are paid and supported. I
| don't care if it's commercial or OSS.
|
| I want to pay for my lunch.
|
| I want my interests and the person making my lunch to have an
| aligned interest in making me a good lunch.
|
| With that, I actually like that Julia focuses on revenue, but I
| _hated_ the sudden decision to remove dotnet watch.
|
| I thought it was a stupid and pointless distraction to a bigger
| cloud strategy.
|
| I'm not saying Microsoft needs to kill Visual Studio, but they
| should start talking about a DNR at some point in the future.
|
| I hope this promotion will make it easier for her to focus on the
| right revenue streams so she'll feel less compelled to save
| legacy revenue streams.
|
| She needs to focus on making it easy to make and deploy OSS
| software. Everything will fall into place and the revenue
| opportunities will be there.
|
| Microsoft has incredible people in their R&D. Cloud based tools
| will make it a lot easier to take the fruit of their research and
| bring it to market so much faster.
|
| There's so much opportunity for amazing new products that can and
| should be billed monthly (or by usage) on my employer's
| Azure/GitHub account.
|
| Just stop hanging to the old software licensing model. IT
| organizations _loathe_ software licensing game Microsoft insists
| on playing, but we will piss money away on cloud services and
| SaaS solutions.
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